2016 Formula 1 Petronas Malaysia Grand PrixFormula 1 

The conspiracy claims on the teams facebook page are ridiculous. How can people even believe in something like that?
The team itself surely doesn't even care which of their two drivers wins the title, as long as they win both titles at the end of the season.

This ^ and you know on that thought, if you want to talk about asinine reactions to mundane things @prisonermonkeys, I'd say I feel this is more of a way for Lewis to lay claim when Nico doesn't make it through the esses at Suzuka. I mean claim sabatoge in favor of team mate use it to build faulty logic as a reason to take said team mate out to win third WDC. I mean you have to be careful though cause no one wants to look like 97' Schumacher after doing such.

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@sems4arsenal yes that is correct, I calculated it once I heard what happened, I didn't watch this race. Got back late from a wedding and fell asleep. Anyways, Lewis would have to win all five races to secure the WDC. Nothing more nothing less from him, Nico on the other hand is a different story he has options with nearly a race in hand right now.
 
If it was just him not winning it would only be the tin foil hat fans doing their routine GP conspiracy bit when he doesn't win.
Arguably, that's more credible. If Hamilton's retirement today was a conspiracy, it would require the team to somehow discreetly tamper with his engine to spontaneously explode, given that Toto Wolff said that they had no warning.
 
I wonder why hammys engine went boom.

Was he pushing hard trying to make time in order to make another pit stop?
From what I heard the engine was not that old.
 
Arguably, that's more credible. If Hamilton's retirement today was a conspiracy, it would require the team to somehow discreetly tamper with his engine to spontaneously explode, given that Toto Wolff said that they had no warning.

Which I already explained is stupid for anyone to think, don't care who you are, Lewis or loose cannon fans of his. Engineers compromising their effort and his, to be fair in distribution of WDCs...let's be real.

Which is another issue, Toto saying that only adds more fuel to the fire. Now as I said Toto and co don't necessarily care about when nobodies are saying and shouldn't but those who do think their words impact the judgement of said team, will use it as evidence. Which just makes them more crazy for thinking such.

@Grayfox, cause it happens, just bad luck both drivers have had it happen to them during their stint at the team without warning or little warning.

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Yeah after re-watching part of the race and hearing his onboard radio as his engine went, and seeing his mannerisms. I feel for Lewis, it was pretty sad he was devastated and after finally seeing the post race interview of his, I don't see how he's putting the team under the bus and at the same time thanking them for hard work. I mean I can see maybe the hint others are getting at which is why I stand by earlier comments but it's not so glaringly obvious as some seem to make it.
 
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What a fantastic! race. I feel sorry for my favourite driver, but that's the way it goes sometimes. As for the conspiracies. I feel Lewis was just pointing out the facts, (nothing wrong with that). I think he's just struggling to come to terms with all the bad luck he's had this season. People read too much between the lines.
 
What a fantastic! race. I feel sorry for my favourite driver, but that's the way it goes sometimes. As for the conspiracies. I feel Lewis was just pointing out the facts, (nothing wrong with that). I think he's just struggling to come to terms with all the bad luck he's had this season. People read too much between the lines.

yeah you hit it best Nessy, which is why I made my edit after finally getting to see his post race interviews. The guy by his own admission screwed up the last two races and Nico was I'd say flawless on Sunday. And he finally gets it right like a championship driver should and the nature of Motorsports snatches it from him.
 
According to my terrible math Nico needs to win one and finish second 4 times to win the title, but need someone to check that.
That sounds about right. If he wins in Japan, he will have at least thirty points on Hamilton; if he then finishes second to Hamilton in the last four races, he will win the title by two points.

Was he pushing hard trying to make time in order to make another pit stop?
Mercedes say they got no warning; the problem emerged as he turned onto the straight, and the engine let go by the end of it. Mercedes were heard telling Rosberg that he could not use a higher engine mode to build a buffer to Räikkönen, but they eventually relented and let him use it briefly so long as he turned it down at the earliest possible opportunity, so they were obviously worried about placing undue stress on the engine. However, Hamilton said that although he was trying to build up enough of a lead for a free pit stop, he wasn't running in a higher engine mode at the time.

Some of the post-race analysis suggested that it was the ICE that died, which makes sense - the other components tend to just cut out, whereas we haven't seen a full blow-out like that for quite some time. I wouldn't be surprised if the root cause is similar to the one that affected Kevin Magnussen on Friday, though.
 
Also it's Malaysia during the hot season, as opposed to the time that it use to be run, so that could have effected the engine too.
 
Mum comes in half an hour before the highlights start and spoils the race...

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Wolff speaks.

It’s hard to know how to sum up a day like today. I just have no words for what happened to Lewis. We feel his pain. This is a mechanical sport, with so much technology, but sometimes you get blindsided by situations with no rational explanation. It’s a freaky coincidence as to why he has suffered the majority of the engine problems this year – like the odds of throwing red six times in a row in the casino. But we take a forensic approach to our work in how we build the engines and how we analyse the failures. We always have done and we will do so again. Our guys will get to the bottom of what happened and learn from it. But I don’t want to talk about forensics on a day like this – I want to focus on how Lewis responded in the aftermath. We let him down today and we are beating up ourselves about it. And you know, if you’re leading the race, about to get back in the Championship lead and then your engine blows up… then every answer is allowed in front of a TV camera. It’s completely understandable. But instead of venting frustration, he came back to the garage and shook the hand of every team member; we talked in a small group and we were all really down. Then he stood in front of the team and found the words to lift everybody and help us recover quickly for Japan. This is what the great drivers do, the true Champions, and I must express my respect for how he conducted himself today. For Nico, it was a great recovery drive after what happened in Turn One. You can look at the first corner two ways: he was unlucky to be hit by Sebastian but at the same time lucky the car did not sustain more damage. Then, he did a brilliant recovery drive back to third place with no mistakes. As for the penalty, I don’t want it to be our focus and it didn’t ultimately cost him any places. But it was a complete nonsense. We all decided that we wanted to see racing and that, if no driver was clearly at fault, then we should let them race. Then you get this. But it’s for others to comment and not my main priority right now. The task is to pick ourselves back up for Suzuka. One of the greatest qualities of our group is how we come back from defeat even stronger than before. We will do that again now, in time for Japan next weekend.

Hamilton speaks.

Max (Verstappen) was in my pit window so I was just trying to push him out of it. I think I’d done that, almost. But then, on the straight, I just lost power all of a sudden. You could hear something blew and I obviously had to stop. Honestly, you’ve got to understand it from my point of view. On one side, we’ve had the most incredible success these past two years, for which I’m so grateful. These guys work so hard and we’re all feeling the pain right now. When you get out of the car – that feeling you have after leading the race and then your car fails – it’s pretty hard to say positive things at the time. As I said in the TV interviews, Mercedes have built 43 engines or however many it might be with the extra three I’ve had, and I have happen to have most of, if not all of, the failures. So, that is definitely tough to take. But I have 100% confidence in these guys. It’s my fourth year with them now and the guys in the garage and back at the factories – I have 100% faith in them. I love it here and without them I would not have won these two Championships. While the struggle is real right now and has been all year, I honestly feel that it’s a test of my will, my spirit and who I am as a person to get back in and keep fighting it head on. It’s not how you fall, it’s how you get back up. That applies not just to me but to the guys as well. I saw tears in the eyes of my mechanics so I know that we all bear the pain. But, as I said, it’s how we re-group. We have to keep in mind what we’ve already built. While in the short term it doesn’t look good and for the long-term this year it might not be so good, there are still lots of positives. There’s still five races to go and if I can perform the way I performed this weekend there’s still everything to play for. We will learn. The guys will take the engine back and they’ll understand what happened. Every time we’ve have engine issues they’ve gone away and found out why. It puts us potentially in a better position to make sure it doesn’t happen next year. Honestly, when you have problems from the first part of the season, you feel like it’s slipping through your hands and there’s nothing you can do about it. We had a splurge of good results, then a bunch of difficult races. I have no idea what’s going to happen in these next five races. All I can do is what I’ve done this weekend. Come correct, be as focused as I can possibly be, put in these kind of performances and pray that the car holds together. I still have faith and hope. That’s a powerful thing. It feels a little bit like the man above, or a higher power, is intervening a little bit. But I feel like I’ve been blessed with the opportunity firstly to be here with so many great people around me, in this great team, to have won these last two Championships with lots and lots of victories and records that I’m breaking time and time again. Whilst it does not feel great right now, I have to be grateful for all of that. If at the end of the year the higher powers don’t want me to be Champion after everything I’ve given towards it, I will have to accept that. As long as I end the year knowing that I’ve given it everything, done everything I could possibly do and that we’ve done everything we could possibly do, that’s all you can ask for. Don’t forget that I’m World Champion. I’ll be okay.
 
Apprently Sauber have been told by Ferrari not to admit any engine failures from their side to the media as Nasr got an Engine failure today but Sauber said it was a brake failure despite smoke coming from the engine.

And here I thought Ferrari have Evolved since sacking Prost for saying the car was a tank.
 
Vettel been given 3 place grid penalty for next race for first corner incident.
There really needs to be a chart showing "type of incident" on one side and "type of penalty" on the other. What determines if something is either a drive-thru penalty, time penalty added on, or grid spot penalty? This needs to be defined and then they can work on the severity within each type of penalty.
 
There really needs to be a chart showing "type of incident" on one side and "type of penalty" on the other. What determines if something is either a drive-thru penalty, time penalty added on, or grid spot penalty? This needs to be defined and then they can work on the severity within each type of penalty.

Agreed to this, but you can't give a time penalty to someone who is a DNF.
 
So that's one qualifier that can be constant. No DNF driver should get a time penalty. Sounds obvious but well...
 
So much Foot and Mouth disease going around that pit now... people aren't going to want to go on the podium when Danny wins! :lol:
 
There really needs to be a chart showing "type of incident" on one side and "type of penalty" on the other. What determines if something is either a drive-thru penalty, time penalty added on, or grid spot penalty? This needs to be defined and then they can work on the severity within each type of penalty.

You pretty much already said what the system is. If the car in question is still on track then he'll get an on track penalty ranging from a 5 second time penalty to a 10 second stop and go, that severity is decided by the stewards and is obviously opinion based. If the car is no longer on the track it's a grid penalty at the next race from 3 to 10 places, again the severity is based on how bad the stewards judge the incident to have been.
 
If Hamilton thinks something's going on here, what did Senna think in 1989? Decimated Prost on the track and won every race he finished (minus Mansell's late backmarker magic at Hungary), but still lost the title. Four race lead mechanical retirements gifted to Prost as wins, including 8 laps to go at Monza with an engine failure, in addition to another engine failure in Canada with three laps to go in one of his best performances in the wet... Now that's the worst luck I've seen in a season where a driver was on his best form.

It's a different game these days with near bulletproof cars, but no driver is ever free of awful luck. Some of it may also come down to driving styles as well and perhaps Hamilton's more aggressive driving puts more of a toll on the engine. Almost hard to imagine with today's reliability but it could make a slight difference as it probably did back with aggressive drivers like Senna.
 
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I think people are misunderstanding Lewis here. I'm reasonable sure in statements like this:

"Someone doesn't want me to win this year. Only my engines are failing"

He's not referring to Mercedes or anyone actually in F1, he is referring to outer forces. He is well known as a man of faith so it seems pretty obvious to me he's referring to "someone upstairs", lady luck, fate or whatever. Not someone in Mercedes that literally is sabotaging his engines because he doesn't want him to win.
 
If Hamilton thinks something's going on here, what did Senna think in 1989? Decimated Prost on the track and won every race he finished (minus Mansell's late backmarker magic at Hungary), but still lost the title. Four race lead mechanical retirements gifted to Prost as wins, including 8 laps to go at Monza with an engine failure, in addition to another engine failure in Canada with three laps to go in one of his best performances in the wet... Now that's the worst luck I've seen in a season where a driver was on his best form.

It's a different game these days with near bulletproof cars, but no driver is ever free of awful luck. Some of it may also come down to driving styles as well and perhaps Hamilton's more aggressive driving puts more of a toll on the engine. Almost hard to imagine with today's reliability but it could make a slight difference as it probably did back with aggressive drivers like Senna.
Don't you listen to Prost? It was his who got rigged engines. It is known.
 
Don't you listen to Prost? It was his who got rigged engines. It is known.
Where are the sources? All I've heard Prost say is that Senna got preferential treatment from the Honda engineers who gravitated more towards him. Whether he's actually said it or not, I've never heard anything about the engines being out of Prost's favour, and Ron Dennis has flatly denied anything to that nature. Prost has said he'd see engines "for Senna" but that doesn't at all mean they were better than what Prost was getting (he even admitted it didn't mean that either, but said it made him feel odd seeing that). And I'm not sure about an advantage when all of Senna's engines (and gearboxes and other things) were blowing up...
 
I think people are misunderstanding Lewis here. I'm reasonable sure in statements like this:

"Someone doesn't want me to win this year. Only my engines are failing"

He's not referring to Mercedes or anyone actually in F1, he is referring to outer forces. He is well known as a man of faith so it seems pretty obvious to me he's referring to "someone upstairs", lady luck, fate or whatever. Not someone in Mercedes that literally is sabotaging his engines because he doesn't want him to win.

In fact he has said exactly that...

Asked later to clarify what he meant by "someone", Hamilton said: "A higher power. It feels right now as if the man above or a higher power is intervening a little bit. But I feel I have been blessed with so many opportunities. So I have to be grateful for those. While this does not feel great, I have to remain grateful."
 
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