2016 Le Mans 24 Hours - 15th to 19th June 2016

[250 GTO]

Now I'm not a race driver (I've always wanted to be, but I just like cake to much), the only racing I've done is go karts, which usually end up in me finishing in the middle of the pack (the cake weight issue). So I may not know as much about it as some of the other guys on here (mr. $1.2 trophy room guy for example)

However, to say that Porsche didn't deserve this win, in my opinion, is just plain stupid.
We are talking about a race that lasts 24 hours, and for most of these 24 hours the Toyota and the Porsche have been within 1 minute of each other. Suggesting that the cars were pretty evenly matched. Meaning it really came down to pit strategy and driver capabilities. So of course Porsche deserved to win just as much as Toyota. Porsche did just as good a job preparing/racing as Toyota did.

You can of course argue if it's "fair", that Toyota once again stumbles inches from the finish line, but only if it's fair in an emotionel way. Not if it's fair within the rules of racing, those rules are pretty clear.

Or course Porsche deserved this win, they did a hell of a job. So did Toyota, no more, no less.

Resorting to name calling and ridiculing each other because of this seems beneath this forum.

Oh and for the love of God, what does VAG stand for?

 

[Vinylshark]

Well, 🤬 me sideways, there appears to be a tiny sliver of justice at La Sarthe today!

Ignoring clear instructions from the race director and thus breaking the rules is something you call justice? Alright.
Please tell me again how Ford bought the ACO, the BoP and the broken light on the Ferrari.

 

[Roo]

And your initial reply assumed me as a Porsche fan. Which I am not. I don't really root for any teams.

All I said is that I see more disrespect coming from the Toyota fans than the others. Sorry for calling it as I see it.

Fair enough 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

Ignoring clear instructions from the race director and thus breaking the rules is something you call justice? Alright.
Please tell me again how Ford bought the ACO, the BoP and the broken light on the Ferrari.

The ACO gave them a Stop-Go penalty... which doesn't fix anything?

 

[IforceV8]

Ignoring clear instructions from the race director and thus breaking the rules is something you call justice? Alright.
Please tell me again how Ford bought the ACO, the BoP and the broken light on the Ferrari.

You can shut up now thanks

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Oh and for the love of God, what does VAG stand for?

Volkswagen Auto Group.

 

[CarBastard]

Oh and for the love of God, what does VAG stand for?

Volkswagen AktionsGeselschaft.

 

[250 GTO]

Volkswagen Auto Group.

Thanks

 

[Savolainen83]

Now I'm not a race driver (I've always wanted to be, but I just like cake to much), the only racing I've done is go karts, which usually end up in me finishing in the middle of the pack (the cake weight issue). So I may not know as much about it as some of the other guys on here (mr. $1.2 trophy room guy for example)

However, to say that Porsche didn't deserve this win, in my opinion, is just plain stupid.
We are talking about a race that lasts 24 hours, and for most of these 24 hours the Toyota and the Porsche have been within 1 minute of each other. Suggesting that the cars were pretty evenly matched. Meaning it really came down to pit strategy and driver capabilities. So of course Porsche deserved to win just as much as Toyota. Porsche did just as good a job preparing/racing as Toyota did.

You can of course argue if it's "fair", that Toyota once again stumbles inches from the finish line, but only if it's fair in an emotionel way. Not if it's fair within the rules of racing, those rules are pretty clear.

Or course Porsche deserved this win, they did a hell of a job. So did Toyota, no more, no less.

Resorting to name calling and ridiculing each other because of this seems beneath this forum.

Oh and for the love of God, what does VAG stand for?

Volkswagen AG

EDIT: tree'd

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Nice to see my favourite marque win again by doing what they are supposed to do....finish all 24 hours. Bit of a burn for Toyota but that's racing. Build a car that's 0.5% more reliable next time and the victory is yours

Uh, be careful buddy! Apparently, you can't use a sporting result, as dramatic as it was, to laugh around here.

 

[True-blue-8]

#PrayForToyota

 

[Coiler]

I wonder when did the telemetry show that something its wrong.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

**** the whole Porsche squad, This is how you handle a gifted victory with class...

 

[Sohvakettu]

I was reminded of this:

Edit: Tommi mäkinen hears about him winning the 1998 world championship.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

I wonder when did the telemetry show that something its wrong.

There was a radio of Nakajima shouting that he had lost power. Maybe it was so sudden that the team didn't saw it.

 

[CarBastard]

Ignoring clear instructions from the race director and thus breaking the rules is something you call justice? Alright.
Please tell me again how Ford bought the ACO, the BoP and the broken light on the Ferrari.

See:

You can shut up now thanks

The BoP is quite self explainatory. It's the ACO's fault rather than Ford but Ford willingly played against the spirit of the rules. Is it illegal? Nope. Is it lame? Yes. And it's no secret to anyone that the ACO, like any :censored:ing french organization, plays favourites all the time.

And the thing on the lights is the same story. The call from the race director and was absurd, it was sticking to the rule way beyond reason. There was just no sense in penalizing the Ferrari for that, it would've been following the rule for the rule's sake instead of for the sake of what the rule is supposed to give sense to. If you're gonna go all neo-Kant on me, then I won't waste my time with further replies.

 

[Vinylshark]

You can shut up now thanks

My apologize, do I disturb the peace in your conspiracy party against Ford?

The BoP is quite self explainatory. It's the ACO's fault rather than Ford but Ford willingly played against the spirit of the rules. Is it illegal? Nope. Is it lame? Yes. And it's no secret to anyone that the ACO, like any :censored:ing french organization, plays favourites all the time.

I think we all can agree that the BoP was complete BS.
Ford was sandbagging, yes, but the Ferrari always had the same pace as the Ford. So where are the rants against Ferrari for sandbagging and disrespecting the fans and the sport? Have seen none of that going on, rather the opposite. Everyone was cheering and hoping that Ferrari would beat Ford.

 

[CarBastard]

**** the whole Porsche squad, This is how you handle a gifted victory with class...

Do you remember the time when motorsports was an activity for irrational, passionate gentlemen instead of an excuse for edgelords and benchracers to throw around numbers nonsensically? Pepperidge Farms remembers .

 

[250 GTO]

#PrayForToyota

Let's not get carried away.

Je Suis Toyota

 

[Tintorera]

Volkswagen Auto Group.

That is incorrect, VAG stands for Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft.
Aktiengesellschaft is German for someting equal to "joint-stock company"

 

[wowbaggerBR]

That is incorrect, VAG stands for Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft.
Aktiengesellschaft is German for someting equal to "joint-stock company"

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[CarBastard]

I think we all can agree that the BoP was complete BS.
Ford was sandbagging, yes, but the Ferrari always had the same pace as the Ford. So where are you rants against Ferrari for sandbagging and disrespecting the fans and the sport? Have seen none of that going on, rather the opposite. Everyone was cheering and hoping that Ferrari would beat Ford.

Because Ford was not only way more blatant at tearing the spirit of the rule, which I agree is debatable. But what really settled for me is that Ford "swore" that they weren't sandbagging and even had the cheek to acuse and namecall the other teams about that 👎. Ferrari didn't made a big deal out of it, they just shut up and complied.

Again, my issue is with the style and attitude of the things, the how of the matter.

That is incorrect, VAG stands for Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft.
Aktiengesellschaft is German for someting equal to "joint-stock company"

I knew I had spelled it incorrectly .

Das ist B1 für dir...

 

[FoRiZon]

There appears to be several people on both sides of the Toyota/Porsche divide that don't seem to understand that you can be a fan of one marque and still have empathy/respect for your competitor.

Ummm. I heard many Porsche fans quits Porsche circle and supports Toyota after this.

 

[SiriusR]

Congrats to Risi Competizione for making it to the pedestal. As much as I wanted Ford to own the pedestal like they did 50 years ago, disqualifying 488 for a pesky light wouldn't be fair by any means. Thanks to Giancarlo for defending the honor of Ferrari, which was near ruined thanks to AF Corse's cars, and not coming to a pit stop.

As on the Toyota's loss... well... sadly, you cannot argue with a breakdown.
Regardless, I refuse to pick a side on this argument.

 

[Vinylshark]

Because Ford was not only way more blatant at tearing the spirit of the rule, which I agree is debatable. But what really settled for me is that Ford "swore" that they weren't sandbagging and even had the cheek to acuse and namecall the other teams about that 👎. Ferrari didn't made a big deal out of it, they just shut up and complied.

Again, my issue is with the style and attitude of the things, the how of the matter.

So I take that you like no team around the world? Because every team does try to cheat the rules and lies about it. Which actually is pretty common sense if you ask me. Who doesn't lie when they get accused of cheating?

 

[AnthonyD1993]

This is great. Fox Sports mentioned the end of the race on Facebook, and instead of people talking about the race, virtually all the comments are bashing Fox for their "coverage" of the race. They deserve every negative comment. They did a massive disservice to the U.S. motorsports fans by throwing the race to the curb and prioritizing the U.S. Open over the race that was already scheduled to be shown.

 

[GTP Ziggy]

The Win...

The attempt...

The grand joy and suprise of victory...

And the utter disbelief and shock of what seemed to be the inevitable...

Congrats to Porsche #2 of Romain Dumas, Neel Jani, Marc Lieb for staying in the race, seeing it the way through, and not giving up the slim advantage to win, bring home Porsche's 18th overall victory at Le Mans. As for the the Toyota team, amazing effort all around in a near flawless race up until the last lap, with the #5 TS050 Hybrid going down. Still a decent result with the #6 car of Stephane Sarrazin, Mike Conway, and Kamui Kobayashi grabbing 2nd place. The team still remains as the bridesmaid, coming so close to breaking the 25 year Japanese drought of overall victory set be Mazda, who will have to wait until another opportunity next year in 2017. Congrats also to Signatech Alpine in LMP2 and Ford Chip Ganassi Team USA in GTE PRO, who has struck victory after a struggle in the USA to jumpstart the Ford GT program's comeback to endurance racing. And last in GTE AM, decent win for Scuderia Corsa. Even with all the classes this year having at least two teams within the same lap competing for the class victory, let's hope the 2017 24 Hours of Le Mans has more speed and excitement.

***A handicapped racer, Frédéric Sausset also finished the race in a Morgan-Nissan LMP2, which is also a major accomplishment in showing that mind over matter and people with dissabilites still can participate in things like unhindered people can, so major congrats to him as well for being a trailblazer!

But for now, this is all I have to say:

What. A. Race.

 

[GTFan24]

This is great. Fox Sports mentioned the end of the race on Facebook, and instead of people talking about the race, virtually all the comments are bashing Fox for their "coverage" of the race. They deserve every negative comment. They did a massive disservice to the U.S. motorsports fans by throwing the race to the curb and prioritizing the U.S. Open over the race that was already scheduled to be shown.

They've always been a disgrace to all kinds of motorsports when you think about it.

 

[Famine]

Some chaps in here are having a great deal of difficulty in addressing their fellow forum members with the minimum level of politeness we expect.

Hopefully this does not resume.

 

[Sertsa]

I don't want to get into the argument, but I think Tiff Needell's tweet is worth sharing.