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BKGlover
How is it broken to have post-race inspection?
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A car that's been battered being measured like its supposed to be showroom fresh is stupid. What if the suspension broke but not obviously and the car's riding too low? What if the flimsy as tissue paper sides have been bashed by other cars? What if there was a slow leak from a puncture or bad wheel and the tires aren't at legal pressure?

To think that a car changed during a race when there's a million eyeballs on the thing these days is foolish.
 
Would you guys rather NASCAR be completely subjective instead of outlining the numbers as they do now? This is far better than NASCAR not setting a standard just going case by case.
 
Brad makes it sound like some teams are designing components to make a car pass pre-race inspection, but then change in some way during the race that would then make the cars faster (illegal on post-race inspection).

Given his history of whining about Hendrick's engineering department, it wouldn't surprise me if BK thought it was HMS designing illegal transforming cars.

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Northstar
It's more with the way NASCAR does it as they seemingly don't take things that can happen during the race into account. For instance something getting knocked .01 degrees out of place.
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Bowyer's car being barely out of tolerance at New Hampshire a few years ago comes to mind. He ran out of gas right after winning the race, got pushed back around the track by a tow truck, then barely failed post race tech inspection for being too low. RCR argued that the push from the truck could have caused enough damage to make the car fail the post-race height tolerance.
 
MustangRyan
Brad makes it sound like some teams are designing components to make a car pass pre-race inspection, but then change in some way during the race that would then make the cars faster (illegal on post-race inspection).

Given his history of whining about Hendrick's engineering department, it wouldn't surprise me if BK thought it was HMS designing illegal transforming cars.
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He has a vendetta against them. Yet Jr's pseudo HMS team gave him his break in Xfinity. lol

Jahgee
Would you guys rather NASCAR be completely subjective instead of outlining the numbers as they do now? This is far better than NASCAR not setting a standard just going case by case.
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It's not an argument about being subjective, more so the industry stupidity that a car that's just done a single stint of many miles and hard racing is going to meet spec/templates.
 
MustangRyan
Brad makes it sound like some teams are designing components to make a car pass pre-race inspection, but then change in some way during the race that would then make the cars faster (illegal on post-race inspection).

Given his history of whining about Hendrick's engineering department, it wouldn't surprise me if BK thought it was HMS designing illegal transforming cars.
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Brad must of heard the same discussion I heard the other day with the NASCAR America crew.

Inspections help keep a level playing field. These teams are smart, devious smart and I would bet if there was no post race inspections cars would transform a lot more than they do now.

To be an encumbered win the rear toe measurement would be above and beyond any previous failed post race inspection and a P4 penalty.
Even then they won't take the win away, but all benefits from winning are no longer in effect.
Also cars with 17 or less lug nuts in place are to get a P4 penalty.

Post race inspections are nothing new to NASCAR.
 
catamount39
It's not an argument about being subjective, more so the industry stupidity that a car that's just done a single stint of many miles and hard racing is going to meet spec/templates.
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Except that cars that have crashed are never mentioned as having failed inspection, or it's just not news, and that NASCAR has had tolerances for as long as I remember. It's like the pit road speed limit, NASCAR may say 45 MPH but everyone on track goes 49.99 because NASCAR spots them 5 over.

What's the issue anyway, Jimmie's been eh, and Truex is gonna go to Homestead barring a massive screw up, it's been like this for years where everyone reads the rules, then decides how close to tolerance they'll build something, and I'm of the camp that believes everyone designs parts to flex beyond that and come back when the load is off, and no one's suspended, no ones losing points that don't really matter anyway, it's gonna be a slap on the wrist. By tuesday it'll be nothing.

EDIT: Also, apparently every chassis used in NASCAR actually has to go to NASCAR for certification before it ever sees a track.
 
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MustangRyan
Brad makes it sound like some teams are designing components to make a car pass pre-race inspection, but then change in some way during the race that would then make the cars faster (illegal on post-race inspection).

Given his history of whining about Hendrick's engineering department, it wouldn't surprise me if BK thought it was HMS designing illegal transforming cars.

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Bowyer's car being barely out of tolerance at New Hampshire a few years ago comes to mind. He ran out of gas right after winning the race, got pushed back around the track by a tow truck, then barely failed post race tech inspection for being too low. RCR argued that the push from the truck could have caused enough damage to make the car fail the post-race height tolerance.
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Correction: Bowyer didn't even fail post-race inspection at the track in 2010. NASCAR discovered the violation back at the R&D center two days later and assessed the 150 point penalty (old point system was still being used).
 
MustangRyan
Brad makes it sound like some teams are designing components to make a car pass pre-race inspection, but then change in some way during the race that would then make the cars faster (illegal on post-race inspection).
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Because that's what is happening. This is why Nascar has made a rule stating no more swerving back and forth on pit road after a race, hence why you see the winning car do it on the track because they know their car is going to be going through LIS. Here's an example from the Xfinity series (cup affiliated teams have the same stuff underneath the cars)



You could see the top finishing cars from today do it as well, including the MTJ. Supposedly his spotter could be heard on the scanner reminding him to do the swerving on the track, but I can neither confirm nor deny that information.
 
So apparently the 3 chosen cars to be taken for the super duper inspection will be a livestreamed event on nascar.com. Huh, who really wants to watch that?
 
outlaw4rc
Well, there's the race losing caution for Chase.
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After finally watching the race on my DVR, the 78 would have drove around him easily to get his win. Don't kid yourself. Someone compared Chase Elliott to Kasey Kahne. There is a big difference here, Kahne actually won races. As I see it, Elliott is more like a Rick Mast or Dick Trickle in better equipment. He wont see victory lane anytime
 
RedTailBoa
After finally watching the race on my DVR, the 78 would have drove around him easily to get his win. Don't kid yourself. Someone compared Chase Elliott to Kasey Kahne. There is a big difference here, Kahne actually won races. As I see it, Elliott is more like a Rick Mast or Dick Trickle in better equipment. He wont see victory lane anytime
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And as already mentioned, Kahne didn't win in his rookie season. Nor did many champions, say someone like the man he replaced, Gordon. There's still plenty of time for him to find victory lane. I don't know what Elliott did to piss you off so much, but I can't figure out why you can't give the kid some props for what he's accomplished so far.

As for Mast and Trickle, there is no comparison. Mast never finished higher than 18th in the standings, Trickle 15th. And Trickle was an old man when he finally broke into the Cup Series. Elliott will finish higher than that this year, even without the Chase format. Each driver finished their careers with 36 top tens. Chase already has 14 with 9 races left in his first season. Top 5 wise, Elliott has already surpassed Mast and is over halfway to Trickle's mark. And don't give me the "his equipment was so much better" stuff. Yes, it is better than Trickle and Mast's was. But Elliott has done more in his car than hundreds or thousands of drivers would even dream of being able to do.
 
Dolph Drago
I don't know what Elliott did to piss you off so much, but I can't figure out why you can't give the kid some props for what he's accomplished so far.
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Basically, being related to a cup champion and driving the car of one (AKA, "The golden ride") is apparently how you piss him off (which aparently somehow automatically means you didn't work for it). Because the hype people harp on about is totally how you judge rookies (isn't that right, Logano?).
 
Article
The lawsuit states that comedian Steve Harvey tried to start a racing team called "Steve Harvey Races 4 Education" with Cox last year but was told by NASCAR it would have nothing to do with Diversity Motorsports.
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Right, because it's a separate racing team with a different name. If the goal was 2 cars, which I doubt they'd achieve in the first place, then have Steve as part owner of Diversity Motorsports and name him owner of the second car. This thing ought to fail at the first hearing because even if they got the money I'd bet we wouldn't hear a single peep from them again and never see anything on track.
 
Dolph Drago
And as already mentioned, Kahne didn't win in his rookie season. Nor did many champions, say someone like the man he replaced, Gordon. There's still plenty of time for him to find victory lane. I don't know what Elliott did to piss you off so much, but I can't figure out why you can't give the kid some props for what he's accomplished so far.

As for Mast and Trickle, there is no comparison. Mast never finished higher than 18th in the standings, Trickle 15th. And Trickle was an old man when he finally broke into the Cup Series. Elliott will finish higher than that this year, even without the Chase format. Each driver finished their careers with 36 top tens. Chase already has 14 with 9 races left in his first season. Top 5 wise, Elliott has already surpassed Mast and is over halfway to Trickle's mark. And don't give me the "his equipment was so much better" stuff. Yes, it is better than Trickle and Mast's was. But Elliott has done more in his car than hundreds or thousands of drivers would even dream of being able to do.
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Don't feed the trolls.
 

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