2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That has more to do with aerodynamic design. The wider tyres allow for much more grip from them when aero downforce decreases.

I think.

Yes it will give mechanical grip but there will always be a massive downwash coming off the tires, their not aerodynamic and the bigger the worst this case becomes. Which is why they did other things like lower the rear wing and set up the profile different. And give a wider v shaped front wing, as well as better flow and larger aero parts in the mid section of the car (barge boards). I don't think it will improve the racing a ton. I feel the issue here is they want the cars to go faster and also some how have close racing. We'll see though how much it goes one way other the other soon enough.

 

[05XR8]

The back section of Albert Park might give us a hint, but isn't the best track. Maybe tracks with long sweeping corners or with esses, like at Silverstone.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The back section of Albert Park might give us a hint, but isn't the best track. Maybe tracks with long sweeping corners or with esses, like at Silverstone.

There'll be pre-season testing at Circuit de Catalunya, I imagine the drivers will get a feel for the wake effects there and (hopefully) comment on it.

 

[05XR8]

Cool.

 

[Pete05]

I'm predicting they'll be saying the extra grip is nice but it disappears if you get to close to the car in front. Dirty air and all.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I'm predicting they'll be saying the extra grip is nice but it disappears if you get to close to the car in front. Dirty air and all.

Pirelli are working on tyres which can quickly recover from overheating, at least. So drivers will still most likely have trouble following another car but they'll hopefully be able to recover after more than one attempt at attacking.

 

[Pete05]

Pirelli are working on tyres which can quickly recover from overheating, at least. So drivers will still most likely have trouble following another car but they'll hopefully be able to recover after more than one attempt at attacking.

With the bigger aero, there's a good chance we'll get to see more traditional old school slipstreaming but, I can't help but feel most of the passing will be done thanks to DRS & pitstops.

 

[Samus]

Spanish Journo reckons Manor are close to being saved.



There is principle agreement in Manor with investor. Final signature would arrive next week to be able to unlock suppliers and go to Australia.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I've heard people suggesting Manor could be bought out by a group of Asian investors, fronted by Ron Dennis. I haven't seen any source or basis for these claims though so it's most likely just a pipe dream but it would be a big F.U. to McLaren, if so.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Asian and Middle Eastern investors are the El Dorado of Formula One.

 

[Samus]

The Ron rumours have been around for a while, even though he's ousted from McLaren I really can't see him wanting to go back to the bottom and start again at his age.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-could-lose-f1-money-privileges-says-liberty-867401/

I guess this belongs here right? Money is how they develop new technologies and with the historic payments gone the teams will be on a fairer playing field for development.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-could-lose-f1-money-privileges-says-liberty-867401/

I guess this belongs here right? Money is how they develop new technologies and with the historic payments gone the teams will be on a fairer playing field for development.

Problem with that is...this is something Ferrari wont want to easily give up, and this will most certainly result in a threat to leave the sport, others who use it too could also be upset. Like McLaren for example. Good post by the way.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

No but as it sounds like, Liberty Media basically wants to say "**** 'em. Why the hell should they get $90M just for being in F1? No no no, let's take that away." Hehehe I love it.

Who else besides McLaren and Williams would this affect? Mercedes too even though they took decades off from racing?

 

[mustafur]

No but as it sounds like, Liberty Media basically wants to say "**** 'em. Why the hell should they get $90M just for being in F1? No no no, let's take that away." Hehehe I love it.

Who else besides McLaren and Williams would this affect? Mercedes too even though they took decades off from racing?

None, however once the new concorde agreement is up, all the highly biased top team payments will also likely go as well, making it much more sustainable for the lower teams, we could see a long term equalisation of teams out of this.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Why the hell should they get $90M just for being in F1?

Because Liberty have also put forward an idea whereby the teams would be able to purchase a stake in the sport. If it goes through, it would secure the long-term futures of any team who bought in - but the historical payments that you're talking about are incompatible with it. They can't have both.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No but as it sounds like, Liberty Media basically wants to say "**** 'em. Why the hell should they get $90M just for being in F1? No no no, let's take that away." Hehehe I love it.

Who else besides McLaren and Williams would this affect? Mercedes too even though they took decades off from racing?

That doesn't matter, read the current agreement, they're still recognized as their original or continuation of. RBR also get a stake due to championships won. If you remember Renault also were suppose to finally get a stake in the agreement though small for their historical contribution.

Here is an old break down I'll see if I can find a new one.

EDIT: Here is a more up to date one, and easier to follow

CCB and LST and Other are all different values of historical reference.

 

[Pete05]

That doesn't matter, read the current agreement, they're still recognized as their original or continuation of. RBR also get a stake due to championships won. If you remember Renault also were suppose to finally get a stake in the agreement though small for their historical contribution.

Here is an old break down I'll see if I can find a new one.

EDIT: Here is a more up to date one, and easier to follow

CCB and LST and Other are all different values of historical reference.

Wow, just wow!

I knew these payments existed but this is the first time I've seen the numbers involved.
No wonder the smaller teams are upset.

Finally, I could be a Motorsport-mad, Bill Gates fortune, F1 fanatic and yet why would I rescue Manor from collapse when I'm up against such a biased payment scheme?
You'd have to be completely bonkers

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Wow, just wow!

I knew these payments existed but this is the first time I've seen the numbers involved.
No wonder the smaller teams are upset.

Finally, I could be a Motorsport-mad, Bill Gates fortune, F1 fanatic and yet why would I rescue Manor from collapse when I'm up against such a biased payment scheme?
You'd have to be completely bonkers

Because of the other half of the story that you didn't get from my post. And that's the amount of money you make from commercialism due to being part of the sport, hence why manufactures still play ball

 

[catamount39]

No idea which F1 thread it truly belongs in, but considering who it is and what it means for the series...I think this thread is appropriate:

Ross Brawn has become the head of F1!
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/137826-brawn-appointed-in-top-f1-role-by-liberty

 

[PzR Slim]

Good move! Nice to see Brawn back involved.

 

[Samus]

No idea which F1 thread it truly belongs in, but considering who it is and what it means for the series...I think this thread is appropriate:

Ross Brawn has become the head of F1!
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/137826-brawn-appointed-in-top-f1-role-by-liberty

Erm not quite, Chase Carey is the head. Ross is going into a sporting role under him.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No idea which F1 thread it truly belongs in, but considering who it is and what it means for the series...I think this thread is appropriate:

Ross Brawn has become the head of F1!
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/137826-brawn-appointed-in-top-f1-role-by-liberty

I say it works here, because hopefully this means that as Sporting director or chief or whatever, he'll help the FIA decide where the rules should be for this series or perhaps the overall racing.

 

[Jimlaad43]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/technical/2017/1/tech-insight-shark-fins-set-for-2017-return.html
A return of Shark fins? YES PLEASE!

 

[catamount39]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/technical/2017/1/tech-insight-shark-fins-set-for-2017-return.html
A return of Shark fins? YES PLEASE!

That would be cool.

 

[Robin]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/technical/2017/1/tech-insight-shark-fins-set-for-2017-return.html
A return of Shark fins? YES PLEASE!

Please be true!

 

[Dolph Drago]

I must be the only person who didn't really like the shark fins. I prefer the beautifully smooth, uninterrupted slope of the air box / engine covers of the early '90s.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/technical/2017/1/tech-insight-shark-fins-set-for-2017-return.html
A return of Shark fins? YES PLEASE!

It was already discussed earlier in this thread...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I must be the only person who didn't really like the shark fins. I prefer the beautifully smooth, uninterrupted slope of the air box / engine covers of the early '90s.

No, I'm in the same boat as you.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No, I'm in the same boat as you.

The short dorsal box fins aren't that cool or appealing, there were more unique designs from them, and I think Toyota was the first to actually do something nice with it.

Williams also had one of the better ones I think