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LMSCorvetteGT2
Race pace isn't compromised because you have to climb up spots, that's not how one defines race pace. I'm asking you to show me charts that show that laps times during a race are off by some great margin, cause all the official ones I've seen don't indicate this. What you've defined is their single lap pace.



Well then explain 2010 to me then, and how cars that were very much in the fight for the championship were off by a second or more from time to time at various GP. RBR have been anywhere from seven tenths to one second and nine tenths off the leader in quali, so I find it hard with that great variation to know exactly where they are exactly other than turning to race data.
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Mate, I'm not interested in a mass debate about it so, I'm going to say we agree to disagree & leave it at that.
 
Can't wait to see Sauber be up there with McLaren and finally get the confirmation that the McLaren chassis sucks.
 
Pete05
I really wish I was as optimistic about the RBR B spec as you are.

Reason being, I can't remember the last time any team - exploitation of a loophole or not - closed a gap of 1.5 - 2 seconds to the front runners during a season.

I certainly hope the B spec is a 1.5 second improvement & that Renault find at least 0.5 second with reliability for Canada.
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Where are you getting your numbers? The RBR was faster than the Ferrari in Bahrain in terms of absolute fastest race laps.

Pete05
On recent performances, they're 1.5 - 2 seconds off the Pole Position time. As a result of that, they have compromised race pace from having fight their way past both Mercs & Ferraris.
Not great for race strategy.
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Quali setup is part of race strategy - clearly RBR had the faster car in Bahrain and went for long run pace rather than out-and-out quali performance. As we've seen in the last few races pole is certainly not everything on these tyres.

Pete05
IMO, for it to truly be a fair fight, the RBRs need to be able to qualify on Pole.
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Everybody needs to be able to qualify on pole, that'd be a great show. Just because they can't doesn't mean it's unfair though - right? ;)
 
[Nor]MclarenF1
Trolling? Or do you seriously believe almost broke Sauber have developed a better chassis than McLaren? :lol:
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Bit of both. I do think that the McLaren chassis is poor and can't wait to finally have someone to keep them somewhat honest about it, but the Sauber is even worse.
 
JC_Dude
Bit of both. I do think that the McLaren chassis is poor and can't wait to finally have someone to keep them somewhat honest about it, but the Sauber is even worse.
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The evidence is against you in terms of how well they're cornering and the sections where they've been fast. As we know those sections aren't the straight(away)s, so where do you think they are? ;)
 
JC_Dude
Bit of both. I do think that the McLaren chassis is poor and can't wait to finally have someone to keep them somewhat honest about it, but the Sauber is even worse.
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I'd give you the benefit of thr doubt if this was 2016, when the car still didn't perform sometimes at tracks that weren't power circuits.

But now it's probably closer to a Red Bull, (not that thats currently much to brag about) than the Saubers it barely manages to beat. The extent to which they're down on power is laughable. Alonso is down 12kph on average to Hamilton in qualifying and even more in the race.
 
well to add some more rumors --> just read in a Dutch gossip newspaper (Telegraaf) that the Mercedes team still hasn't found a clear answer why Hamilton was 38 seconds slower then Bottas in Russia. The team works 24/7 to have it first under control and if needed also fixed before the Spain GP.

@LMSCorvetteGT2 : It was not Jos but his grandpa

I know what Dutch treat is but Dutch rumors? ;)
 
To be honest, the vibe of the new car/b-spec was a complete rework of where they left off last season which is why I was originally quite happy, if this up coming weekend shows a entirely new car that'd be great.

However it'd prove yet again that Red Bull should be treated as a manufacture or of the same level. Like how many of us see McLaren.
 
They can call the revised Red Bull whatever they like.
I just want the thing to be fast & reliable, providing Dan with a car worthy of his talents.

If they (RB) and Renault can't step up to the plate & challenge the top 4, Dan should be targeting Kimi's ride at Ferrari.
 
Pete05
If they (RB) and Renault can't step up to the plate & challenge the top 4, Dan should be targeting Kimi's ride at Ferrari.
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But would Vettel want Ricciardo as a team-mate again? Even if Vettel's okay with it, can you trust Ferrari to make both of their drivers equal status when they've traditionally had a clear number one and number two driver set-up?
 
JayOTT
But would Vettel want Ricciardo as a team-mate again? Even if Vettel's okay with it, can you trust Ferrari to make both of their drivers equal status when they've traditionally had a clear number one and number two driver set-up?
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Unless Ferrari can guarantee equal status in writing, they can keep Kimi as far as I'm concerned.
Any blocking from Vettel is confirmation he's affraid of the Honey Badger & is so fragile between the ears he needs number one status.
 
Pete05
They can call the revised Red Bull whatever they like.
I just want the thing to be fast & reliable, providing Dan with a car worthy of his talents.

If they (RB) and Renault can't step up to the plate & challenge the top 4, Dan should be targeting Kimi's ride at Ferrari.
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Why does he need to do that?
 
I don't think RIC really has the pace thus far. I'm probably going to be proven wrong but VER has just been out pacing him time after time. I think a balanced priority setup at Maranello would just leave another Mercedes debacle.
 
It's ups and downs, really. Ricciardo proved quicker overall than Seb and Max when rear traction was at a premium and the cars were scrappy to drive.

Now that we have rear traction in excess, he's being shown up by Maxie... But only sometimes. (though Max has his number completely in the rain)

We're only four races in, and the two are relatively even in qualifying and races, at least, when they've finished... with Ric still bringing in the points. Can't count him out at all, yet.
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
Why does he need to do that?
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Because every year he spends in a car that isn't worthy of challenging for the title is wasted time.
Sure, there's no guarantee he'd get a title contender at Ferrari but, that car is at least winning races in VET's hands.
As a HUGE fan, it's incredibly hard to watch him go into a weekend with no realistic chance of a podium at the least.
 
Pete05
Because every year he spends in a car that isn't worthy of challenging for the title is wasted time.
Sure, there's no guarantee he'd get a title contender at Ferrari but, that car is at least winning races in VET's hands.
As a HUGE fan, it's incredibly hard to watch him go into a weekend with no realistic chance of a podium at the least.
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You do realize that he's at a world class team, the rose tint you have for him seems to be saying more than the actual reality. Red Bull are still maintaining station at third in point, and with a car that believe if rumors are true isn't that good and quite basic to what they could have done.

Also time and time again the F1 season proves 1 team far beyond the rest, this season is a rarity. It seems it's a knee jerk reaction that Ferrari is the place to go cause they finally have their heads out of their rears for the time being, when RBR has seemed the better of the two since the return of V6t.
 

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