2017 Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand PrixFormula 1
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I already did, HAm brake checked him, and VET hit him. They both deserved a penalty, but only one got one. I thought after it happened they should have investigated it after the race but that wasnt done.
I dont know if Sky showed the incident with the telemetry on screen or not, NBC just happened to show a replay of it during a commercial break. I do know that I am not taking the time to make a video of it and posting it because I am more interested in the Indycar pre-race show on now and have better things to do.
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Here, this was on reddit. https://my.mixtape.moe/slropm.mp4
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Because Lewis has the right to control the pace behind the SC, he was told on the prior restart to watch his restarts by his team in quite an upset tone. This was due to nearly passing the SC before the line, so this time he wanted to get room. He didn't brake check anyone, that term is suggesting some malicious intent. Said this numerous times and you seem to ignore it so not sure when you'll get it.
No they showed both onboards, where Lewis was close to the SC as they approached the turn to the straight. Lewis then allowed for the SC to pull ahead and gain distance as he'd been told on the radio prior. Seb, just like all the other drivers behind him should have given space. It's amazing for how slow Lewis was going only Vettel had trouble hitting the car in front of him. As I said if there was evidence to warrant this actual malicious act of a brake check, he'd have been punished. Seb was punished for supposedly turning into Lewis as said by the stewards, and given a further 3 points on his license. Bringing him that closer to a race ban.
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Guys, Let's try not be biased. Both Seb and Lewis deserve penalties after this.
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Funnily enough, it doesn't look like he really made a sudden movement to the right, but it seems like he just kinda "forgot" to straighten out
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How is it bias to say that both don't? I'm having a hard time seeing how Vettel purposely hit Lewis, it looked as if he quickly pulled out from behind drove along side with the wheel veered to the right without correcting it. Then the cars collided. The only issue here is that Vettel should have never pulled out to begin with.
I've said what I've said on Lewis's part in this.
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What is undeniable is that whatever you believe about Hamilton's actions, Vettel decided to drive alongside him rather than stay behind and allow the stewards to investigate. Whether he was clumsy or otherwise, he ended up bumping Hamilton. We all saw it. Yet, on NBC, they managed to get him to say he made contact but kept avoiding the question on whether he intentionally hit Hamilton in retaliation. He's making himself look worse by not saying he simply slipped up or similar.
As for Ocon and Perez, I'd put that partly on Ocon but most of the blame is on Force India for allowing this situation to unfold in the first place.
I do hope that F1 doesn't go full NASCAR and bring out the safety car for debris more often knowing that makes the race more exciting.
As for Ocon and Perez, I'd put that partly on Ocon but most of the blame is on Force India for allowing this situation to unfold in the first place.
I do hope that F1 doesn't go full NASCAR and bring out the safety car for debris more often knowing that makes the race more exciting.
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I agree, I believe Seb was the victim in this, and Lewis played it dirty there with the breaking incident , but he should have kept his cool, he shouldn't get along side Lewis whather or not he ment to turn into him.
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I'm literally posting it here because I can't post spoilers in statuses:
How the hell did Lance Stroll, of all people, manage to score a podium?!
How the hell did Lance Stroll, of all people, manage to score a podium?!
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Played dirty how? Once again to make it clear, you are allowed to back up the pack as race leader people have done this plenty of times under the SC. I don't see anything dirty being done, it makes no sense for the race leader to put his race in jeopardy by brake checking and either heavily damaging his car. Or at the least getting a puncture.
So I see one of two things happening, one Lewis expected Seb to not be on his rear crash structure since the leader does back up the pack often on restarts under the SC. Two Lewis wasn't thinking or paying attention and was absent minded about his distance to the SC, relative to those following him. If he actually did something malicious he would have been penalized for sure, if he had caused an avoidable collision like Seb, he'd have been punished as well. Seb sped up out of the turn while Lewis was still coasting and backing up the pack, both seemed to not really expect the others actions.
What we all agree on (except one person sort of) is that Seb pulling out and "turning" into another car shouldn't have happened.
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Yeah, I guess he deserved it after keeping his head calm throughout the race. It's just that I found it amazing, almost stunning, that the kid who blamed his crash in Monaco on a Playstation game could manage to score a podium in F1. It's gonna take quite some time for that to sink in my head.
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Yeah, I guess he deserved it after keeping his head calm throughout the race. It's just that I found it amazing, almost stunning, that the kid who blamed his crash in Monaco on a Playstation game could manage to score a podium in F1. It's gonna take quite some time for that to sink in my head.
Then it will really bother you when you realize that Stroll is only 3 points behind Massa.
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Yeah, I guess he deserved it after keeping his head calm throughout the race. It's just that I found it amazing, almost stunning, that the kid who blamed his crash in Monaco on a Playstation game could manage to score a podium in F1. It's gonna take quite some time for that to sink in my head.
His too, I'm sure. Remember that when Grosjean started out he was one of the most dangerous drivers (Maldonado excepted) to grace F1 for years. Now he's well respected - just shows it that a driver can improve.
Maybe Palmer will surprise us too
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When Kimi needed his steering wheel.
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That HAM-VET or VET-HAM incident is a so called developing story. At least we have a lot to talk and read about.
If Hamilton did something wrong by braking (if?) and Vettel is right then still he has to control his temper as a pro and an example for many race fans. Or is that thought to old fashioned nowadays?
I think they should replace the anger management trainer listening to the name of Arrivabene
Vettel showed again he has problems when the stress level gets too high for him. And yes it is not easy when the adrenaline machine opens.
Edit: And just read that Vettel got an extra 3 point license penalty on top of the 10 secs stop & go. This was decided after the race. Also because he denied the wheel bumping accident,,,,It was decided as a potential very dangerous manouvre.
According to the refs Hamilton did nothing wrong
If Hamilton did something wrong by braking (if?) and Vettel is right then still he has to control his temper as a pro and an example for many race fans. Or is that thought to old fashioned nowadays?
I think they should replace the anger management trainer listening to the name of Arrivabene
Vettel showed again he has problems when the stress level gets too high for him. And yes it is not easy when the adrenaline machine opens.
Edit: And just read that Vettel got an extra 3 point license penalty on top of the 10 secs stop & go. This was decided after the race. Also because he denied the wheel bumping accident,,,,It was decided as a potential very dangerous manouvre.
According to the refs Hamilton did nothing wrong
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He braked suddenly and sharply after T16 where Seb was obviously very close "which he has the right to do" I believe Lewis wanted to compromise Seb in the straights.
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Of course he did, as every other racer leading the pack after a safety car does. If Seb doesn't understand how to race properly, what's he doing complaining.
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Excerpt from the BBC race report.
"The stewards examined data from his car and found that he had maintained a more or less constant speed, had not lifted off the throttle or braked, and had behaved no differently at that re-start at that point on the track than at the other two re-starts."
Lewis this, Lewis that, blah, blah, bleugh.
"The stewards examined data from his car and found that he had maintained a more or less constant speed, had not lifted off the throttle or braked, and had behaved no differently at that re-start at that point on the track than at the other two re-starts."
Lewis this, Lewis that, blah, blah, bleugh.
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Well...what a cracking race, genuinely wouldn't have even considered such a result, bonkers stuff . Feel a bit gutted for the Force-India's, but a think that was a 50/50 incident, and perhaps a nature of the track being tight, Otmar Szafnauer pointed out. In retrospect, with all that went one, it could have been a Force-India one two, but it's all if, buts and maybes and the end of the day.
Otherwise, awesome to see Stroll on the podium, had a great race, and in fact a great weekend. Must admit, I've been on the of the quieter ones who genuinely believed in, he was very much unlucky with the results he had in the 1st few races, very much a victim of circumstances. As Coulthard said earlier in the season, he's a young rookie, so give him time to develop (something people seem to forget's possible with young drivers), and settle into things as races go on. And I think that has happened after Canada, he looks more comfortable and confident, be great to see him give Massa a run for his money more often, so well done to the guy 👍.
. Feel a bit gutted for the Force-India's, but a think that was a 50/50 incident, and perhaps a nature of the track being tight, Otmar Szafnauer pointed out. In retrospect, with all that went one, it could have been a Force-India one two, but it's all if, buts and maybes and the end of the day.Otherwise, awesome to see Stroll on the podium, had a great race, and in fact a great weekend. Must admit, I've been on the of the quieter ones who genuinely believed in, he was very much unlucky with the results he had in the 1st few races, very much a victim of circumstances. As Coulthard said earlier in the season, he's a young rookie, so give him time to develop (something people seem to forget's possible with young drivers), and settle into things as races go on. And I think that has happened after Canada, he looks more comfortable and confident, be great to see him give Massa a run for his money more often, so well done to the guy 👍.
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I'm still waiting Hamilton's penalty... (somehow he never get those...)
