2019/20 Premier League & General Football Discussion

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European Super League: Will it happen one day?

  • Yes and I want it to happen

  • Yes but I don't want it to happen

  • Undecided

  • No but I want it to happen

  • No and I don't want it to happen

  • I don't care about an ESL

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The age old question with handball (armball?) laws is the notion of ball-to-hand or ball-to-arm. When someone jumps to block a cross or shot, it's a natural part of bipedal locomotion to use your arms when jumping, however there is, of course, a huge difference between jumping like a normal human being and jumping with your arms raised and hands out to deliberately block a ball with your arm. It pains me to paraphrase Mark Lawrenson but players have arms and they can't make them disappear. It's unnatural to jump with your arms in an police arrest position behind your back but that's what players seem to be taught these days. However being an unnatural motor action it's worth remembering that, at least; a player might instinctively jump with his arms in the way whether he meant to or not.

That's my opinion from a defensive side as a soccer goalkeeper and a gaelic full-back, at least. From an attacking perspective... I don't know enough to have an opinion. I'm sure it happens that a ball can ricochet off a defender onto your arm in a challenge by accident. Or an accurate attacker could feign a pass or cross and kick the ball at an opponent's arm to win an easy free kick or penalty.

If handball is handball and means handball, and any arm contact is considered a foul... I do think that's being overzealous.
 
Bale's was clearly intentional and should have been overturned. But like @Liquid I have a hard time when players are jumping in a crowd for headers on crosses and the ball deflects off the side of their head and glances off their arm. It's such a split second thing that I can't definitively say it was an intentional act even though the letter of the law says intentional or not.
 
I just looked at their November fixtures and it's no wonder that zero of them are on the tele. In that month Burnley play Sheffield United and Watford away and West Ham and Crystal Palace at home, not exactly the greatest of games, although you can never be sure of course. Oh and Burnley are my local (professional) team and if those games are not worth televising to me then I don't expect anyone who isn't a Burnley fan to feel any different but you never know.

This isn't anything new either, one season Burnley even had less than the minimum required TV games so got paid a part of their guarenteed tv money for a match that was not live on the tele. You can also bet Dyche will love this, fight against everyone as the overlooked small town team is what they do best and I'd be surprised if this isn't now used to fire the players up. ;)
 
Might as well have a closed shop invitation-only league if teams there on merit aren't going to get telly time because they are perceived as less interesting.
 
What kind of primitive crap is that, your old fashion rules around Live games are a total Joke.
 
You are expecting commercial companies to show teams that will get them less viewers and more importantly (to them) less advertising revenue over the big games, it's just not happening. The FA likely have zero say in this, even in the FA cup it's always the same teams that are on tele (even on the BBC) and when they do go to a small team you can bet it's the same one over and over again, Newport springs to mind and yet nothing is said about that at all, the complaints only start when it's Man Utd again, the fact the West Ham games (which are often rubbish) are on just as often is just ignored completely.

It's also not like it's exclusively the big teams on either, Liverpool have only 1 TV game in the Premier League on TV in November and that's the game against Man City, maybe that should be untelevised so we can watch Burnley against West Ham instead. :lol: Ok Watford for example do seem to have a high percentage of TV games on in November, the only game of theirs not on TV is the one against Burnley but this is surely an anomaly due to the TV companies trying to show some of the other teams, at least occasionally, rather than flat out bias or rating chasing. Their game against Southampton is the saints only TV game that month, same case with Norwich too.

The best part about all this that shouldn't be ignored is the Burnley fans are likely delighted about zero tv games, since a lot that I know (or know of) hate it when their Saturday 3pm games are moved to another time or another day, as it ruins their lifelong routine of going to the match on a Saturday afternoon and this is probably true with a number of clubs, the only difference would be the extent to which this feeling is felt amongst the fan base.

Fixture scheduling for TV has to be a real pain as someone will always complain and on that subject I think some complaints about it are far more valid than "we are not on" (see last Saturday's 5.30pm and this Saturday's 5.30pm and think of the away fans). Also Sky and BT likely schedule independently of one another but it's not like this key info on how it all goes down is going to be released to us general public so we can really scrutinise them is it.

If someone thinks they can do better be all means try but you'll only be moving a odd Leicester or Watford game to get a "fairer" schedule and it's bound to throw up other issues and cause you to have to mess with other games too. Note, Brighton have 0 games on TV in November too.

I should add that I also don't care whether the EPL is the biggest or best league in the World either, it's kind of irrelevant to me, so that is not the reason I post about this.

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This weekend's games.

Tonight
Southampton v Bournemouth (8pm Sky)

Saturday
Burnley v Norwich
Everton v Sheffield United
Leicester v Tottenham (12.30 BT)
Man City v Watford
Newcastle v Brighton (5.30 Sky)

Sunday
Crystal Palace v Wolves (2pm)
West Ham v Man United (2pm Sky)
Arsenal v Aston Villa (4.30)
Chelsea v Liverpool (4.30 Sky)

Busy day in London on Sunday because of the Europa League games.
 
Man City are currently 5-0 up at Watford.
The game is only 17 minutes old...

Still 5-0 at half time but only through luck, City must have hit the post 5 times this half too, to say Watford are getting smashed is an understatement.

Might not end up a Premier league record score but maybe only because City will probably find a way to condede a goal at some point.
 
Bad timing for Watford to show up at Man City after an upset loss. I would say City was a little angry after that and took it out on Watford. 8-0 and they were still trying to score in stoppage time.
 
TOUCHDOWN... Manchester City? The only time I checked into Manchester City vs. Watford, Man. City was up 6-0 in the 58th Minute. I found out on Twitter they won 8-0 afterwards. Like... wha' happened to Watford FC? Only two games have been bigger beat downs- Tottenham defeated Wigan 9-1 in 2009, and Manchester United spanked Ipswich Town 9-0 in 1995. All congratulations to Man. City, of course. Same for all other winners of recent Premier League matches.


[OMISSION] I read Manchester City scored 5 goals in the first 18 minutes of the game. Goodness! I also read this was like the most goals scored in just so many minutes in Premier League history. Domination for sure.
 
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Imagine being a Watford player having to sit through that for a whole 90 minutes.

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Todays (and last nights) results.

Southampton 1-3 Bournemouth
Leicester 2-1 Tottenham
Burnley 2-0 Norwich
Man City 8-0 Watford
Everton 0-2 Sheff United
Newcastle 0-0 Brighton

Man City went 5-0 up inside 19 minutes which is the quickest any side have gone 5-0 up in PL history, they also almost broke the record of biggest margin of victory which still stands at 9-0 when Man United beat Ipswich in 1994.

VAR was involved a lot in the Leicester game which ultimately was settled by a great Maddison strike, Everton perhaps surprisingly lost at home to Sheffield United, back to earth with a bump for Norwich.
 
My expectations for tonight were low but holy 🤬

Barça will be liquidated before they fire Clownverde.
 
Horrible performance, no urgency in attack whatsoever, Rashford limped off and now the only recognised striker we have is Solskjaer! That's what happens when your sell your star striker and don't replace him.

We will be lucky to finish in the top half the way things are going. :grumpy:
 
That's what happens when your sell your star striker and don't replace him.

Perhaps Manchester United needs to change their strategy, and instead throwing money in every direction, search at the local clubs, find youth that wants to play for the Big Manchester United. Maybe that will work better than buying someone who just sees it as just a well paying job without having a connection to the club, city or region.
 
That's what happens when your sell your star striker and don't replace him.

Man United have spent £960 million over the last 6 years. With that in mind:

1) They're playing Jesse Lingard up front
2) Most of their big money signings have already been sold on
3) Alex Ferguson spent £730 million in his 27 years at the club

Even factoring in inflation, that's a staggering amount spent in such a short space of time for a team not going forwards on the pitch.
 
Perhaps Manchester United needs to change their strategy, and instead throwing money in every direction, search at the local clubs, find youth that wants to play for the Big Manchester United. Maybe that will work better than buying someone who just sees it as just a well paying job without having a connection to the club, city or region.

We've got a few youngsters that OGS is putting his faith in. Axel Tuanzebe, Angel Gomes, Tatith Chong and Mason Greenwood, all started the Europa League win over Astana on Thursday in which Greenwood got the only goal and he is the biggest prospect of the lot, scored 48 in 49 for the U23s and U18s last season and Solskjaer says he is the best finisher he has ever seen, will likely start against lower league Rochdale in the cup this week but we've got Arsenal next Monday, so don't know if he'll start that one, but we might have no other choice.
 
Third round of the league cup is this week, the two games on Sky are Southampton v Bournemouth tomorrow night and MK Dons v Liverpool on Wednesday night.

Bernardo Silva could be in trouble after posting a (since deleted) tweet to team mate Ben Mendy of a Spanish Confectionary company which has a cartoon Black boy in its logo which was in the tweet, Silva says it was meant as a joke between friends and not meant as racist but Kick It out has condemned it and has asking Man City for its observations.

Silva should have known better.
 
FIFA Football awards were tonight, here are the winners.

The Best FIFA Men's Player
Lionel Messi

The Best FIFA Women's Player
Megan Rapinoe

The Best FIFA Men's Coach
Jurgen Klopp

The Best FIFA Women's Coach
Jill Ellis

The Best FIFA Men's Goalkeeper
Alisson

The Best FIFA Women's Goalkeeper
Sari Van Veenendaal

FIFAPro Men's World Eleven
Alisson
Matthijjs De Ligt
Marcelo
Sergio Ramos
Virgil Van Dijk
Frenkie De Jong
Eden Hazard
Luka Modric
Lionel Messi
Kylian Mbappe
Cristiano Ronaldo

FIFAPro Women's World Eleven
Sari Van Veenendaal
Lucy Bronze
Nilla Fischer
Kelley O'Hara
Wendie Renard
Julie Ertz
Amandine Henry
Rose Lavelle
Alex Morgan
Megan Rapinoe

That Men's team is an absolute joke! Three Real Madrid players despite their below average performances (cant really count Hazard as he was at Chelsea) and not one Man City player despite a record breaking season and a domestic treble, Bernardo Silva should be in there, as should Alexander-Arnold and Robertson.
 
Best Player is such a useless accolade. You absolutely cannot compare a defender with a forward but forwards almost always get all of the credit, glory and recognition because they score the goals but being the best defender is as equally prestigious and valuable as being the best goalkeeper, midfielder or forward.

It doesn't matter how fastidious it might seem or how much longer it might these ceremonies which obviously matter but the awards should be for each playing line on the pitch.
 
Have any teams or players surprised you so far this Premier League season? If so, who? In other words... teams/players doing unexpectedly well, teams/players doing unexpectedly bad, teams underrated or overrated so far, etc. ...
 
Have any teams or players surprised you so far this Premier League season? If so, who? In other words... teams/players doing unexpectedly well, teams/players doing unexpectedly bad, teams underrated or overrated so far, etc. ...
Wolves. I predicted them top 4 but forgot that Europe would take such a toll. Wolves have a great first team, but don't have a contingency yet, so they can't really rest their best players and are getting ruined like Burnley were last season. They'll get better as the season goes on but this start has been awful.
 
I was going to say Leicester City and then I saw that West Ham are tied for 3rd place with them. So I'm saying West Ham.
 
Colchester have just knocked out Tottenham of the League Cup 4-3 on penalties.
 
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