Then why did you mention G forces as the reason why women wouldn't be able to compete in F1?
Because it was the first that came to mind and one that is not so present (not as intensely) in any other sport or motorsport afaik. Maybe Air Bull Air Races but those are more of a fun thing than a serious sport.
No. That's the USAF shooting down the argument than women wouldn't be able to cope with the G forces. The study has no bearing what so ever on 110 m hurdles.
I didn't say women can't cope with G forces. I pointed out the 100 hurdles because you seem to be arguing that, because regular women and men have the same tolerance to G forces in a passive state, somehow, that means the fastest and best women and men driving an F1 car on the limit wouldn't also experience any difference. Women can do everything men can. But if you compare the top athletes of both genders, you'll find differences in every sport.
Of course I'm starting from the idea that driving an F1 car is akin to a top sport in terms of physical work.
Do elaborate, in what way are G forces a factor and what are the other factors?
I don't know for a fact it is a factor. I suspect it is based on everything we know about how male and female bodies endure and perform physical demanding activities. Other factors? Spacial awareness, maybe? On average, men have better spatial awareness than women, which comes in handy when driving an F1 car among other F1 cars at 250km/h average for 90m. Some studies also suggest men have faster reaction times than women and can maintain those reaction times for a longer period of years until they, obviously, start to increase. That's why I think F1 is on a category of its own. Driving the fastest cars on the planet and making split second decisions with your inputs.
1) How do you propose that G forces are different in an "active state"? And how would it affect women different than men?
I don't know. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that, on the limit of athleticism, and on average, men over-perform compared to women. Being under G-forces, under water, under higher or lower temperatures, etc. This is not saying women suck. I'm just leaving the disclaimer here because I'm under the impression you're thinking I'm implying women suck compared to men, when it's not the case.
2) In what way would differences in G tolerance increase when you look at top athletes?
I don't know. But other factors in highly physically demanding activities seem to increase the gap between males and females results. As the top level, the difference is in the details.
On my phone I could only see the first 3 pages.
No. They are subject to these forces for brief periods of time, in particular during initial braking from high speeds and about halfway through the fastest corners. It's not a continuous 3 to 5G for 90 minutes.
I didn't say it's continuous... But it's something that happens several per lap, for dozens of laps.
For that to be equivalent you need a study that says that among top athletes, men have significantly better G tolerance than women. All you have now is a study that says that there's no significant difference and from that you draw a hypothesis that perhaps there will be a difference if you look at athletes. It's all guesswork and no data.
I didn't draw my hypothesis from that study but, as I've said, from a basic knowledge of the biological differences between men and women; from the fact that every other highly physically demanding sport separates male and female athletes; and from the fact that I haven't seen a top F1 female driver yet.
We're both guessing. I guess that it's hard for any female F1 driver to compete with male drivers (and again, examapls from karting or dragracing or gt series are not quite the same IMO for the reasons I've given previously). You're guessing that the fact women and men being biologically different wouldn't have any effect on the results of an F1 race where men and women would compete against each other.
We just have different opinions.
The keyword there is of course IMO, because it's just speculation.
I didn't state it as a fact.
And which of those other highly demanding sports revolve around piloting a machine? Do you have any example that even comes close to motorsport? What biological differences do affect G tolerance?
They're all highly physically demanding. Piloting a machine is secondary imo. Driving an F1 car is not the same as playing on a controller nor it's a brain inside a helmet doing all the work, without a body attached.
According to the thread title, this entire thread is about the New Formula Woman, so that’s the term I used.
