2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

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Agreed. Punt penalties need to be much harsher - although the flipside to that is when someone lightly punts you into the car ahead and you get done for it and they get away with it... šŸ˜¤

I have a feeling PD has changed how it calculates that so the original punter gets a pen, if not then it won't penalise the player that was used as a cue ball. Had it happened to me at Monza in the Daily. Started 2nd, 3rd punted me into 1st and nothing happened.

This might be a stupid idea, but in FIA I would be happy for the punting penalty to be damage which persists until the punted racer gets back in front. If itā€™s at the end of the race the post race penalty should put them behind the punter.

It should theoretically ensure there is never an advantage to punting someone off.

I think I'd rather just a harsher system. Something like that could be a bit finicky depending on the circumstances, like a concertina effect. Not something that's very sensitive, like the older systems where it gave out penalties like Oprah. Just something that gives the aggressor a punch in the gut, than a slap on the wrist.
 
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I have a feeling PD has changed how it calculates that so the original punter gets a pen, if not then it won't penalise the player that was used as a cue ball. Had it happened to me at Monza in the Daily. Started 2nd, 3rd punted me into 1st and nothing happened.
Ah that's good to know! I've not done any online races in a few days, but there was plenty of pinball action happening and to be fair there weren't many penalties (but none for the punter or the pinball either)...
 
The night so far, 11th race 1, laughing at the M4 having to pit end lap 11 for fuel!!!! Race 2 mid field again, until a Rex snuck up alongside last turn pushing me into fence, 16th after everyone got under. Race 3 disconnect once entered lobby screen, Race 4 it is, watching Tour de France whilst waiting
 
Thatā€™s my usual split. ā€œThe Doctorā€ is a serial offender. Absolute moron.

I was in slot 1 with a mix of A and B drivers and @pennanton . Unsurprisingly he won.

I was punted off the track on lap 1, as is the fashion these days. Weirdly it was at the entry to the long downhill right hander. I lost about 9 seconds to the pack. The culprit quit the race after a couple of laps. The rest of the race was ok and I fought back to p11. Iā€™m really getting sick of the heroes punting on lap 1. I will probably go again in a later slot as I canā€™t imagine doing any worse than that.

My imagination needs work. Game crashed on lap 11. I was p9 gobbling up p5-8 after q14.

Will have to again at midnight or itā€™s a zero.
 
Just had the best race ever. Highstakes coming from the back finishing a couple spots behind. Epic drive.

Three WRXs up front, an M4 and NSX ahead of me(in P6, I finished P3), with the dreaded #1 numberplate. Simply put, fast paced, INTENSE and super clean. Passes back & forth. Switchbacks, leaving room, tight squeezes. Bumper to bumper, different racing lines, fast drivers.
Only player I've raced against in that group, was the P3 WRX. I had no other way of knowing how the other players race. Man, noone gave up, but everyone were respectful.

Shared the replay as "gtplanet FIA". Good stuff.
 
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Iā€™m done with this one. Slot 4 door 4 q17, p15.

Iā€™m going to float the idea that the Group 4 Aston has somehow turned into an absolute dog. I just could not find any pace in it. I had a Free Run best of 25.2xx and my qualy laps were around 1.5 seconds slower. In race I couldnā€™t match it with the B ranked players (of which I am one after tonightā€™s races). The car feels weird in race. Like itā€™s way heavier or something. I cannot get it to turn and it doesnā€™t have the top end pull it used to.

Maybe itā€™s just my ineptitude but it feels a million miles from the car I started season 1 in.
 
Iā€™m done with this one. Slot 4 door 4 q17, p15.

Iā€™m going to float the idea that the Group 4 Aston has somehow turned into an absolute dog. I just could not find any pace in it. I had a Free Run best of 25.2xx and my qualy laps were around 1.5 seconds slower. In race I couldnā€™t match it with the B ranked players (of which I am one after tonightā€™s races). The car feels weird in race. Like itā€™s way heavier or something. I cannot get it to turn and it doesnā€™t have the top end pull it used to.

Maybe itā€™s just my ineptitude but it feels a million miles from the car I started season 1 in.
Was in your race, I had a race long battle with a Rex, mainly behind me,Iā€™ll post the replay latter, I passed him last turn with him landing on my roof!!! LOL (they hit a witches hat and I thought oh well letā€™s go)
 
Might enter tonightā€™s round of the Manufacturers Series at Sardegna, or I might not, as Iā€™m getting over a pretty bad cold.
 
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I've had literally zero practice for tonight's race. What's the worst that could happen?!

Any hints or tips?
Avoid the gravel. It is not your friend.
This might be a stupid idea, but in FIA I would be happy for the punting penalty to be damage which persists until the punted racer gets back in front. If itā€™s at the end of the race the post race penalty should put them behind the punter.

It should theoretically ensure there is never an advantage to punting someone off.
Light damage is useless. You only really get it after smashing head on into a wall. The penalty you probably get for that plus the damage is salt into the wound. Heavier damage which you can pick up from a punt and the only way to solve it is pitting may help stop people punting.
 
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Well that didn't go so well, poor quali and poor driving from me in the race
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Thus ends my Gr4 participation in FIA.

In season 1 the quality of racing was terrible in three out of five group 4 rounds (Maggiore West, Sardegna, Laguna Seca) and now again in this race. So, I will not be doing any group 4 races again. Even when the track is fun the racing is awful and destroys any enjoyment I might get out of it.
sorry to hear this, I know you are very fast and a clean racer so you presence will be missed. But why do you think this problem is only in Gr. 4?
 
Silly question here chaps, how exactly are the points calculated?

Can you take part in all races today and only your best score counts? Dont really get the whole being able to take part in the same race in Sardegna multiple times and how the scores work if you do. I only took part in one race in Round 1.

Slightly confused by the explanation on GTā€™s website.

Much appreciate if anyone could shed some light.

Thank you!
 
sorry to hear this, I know you are very fast and a clean racer so you presence will be missed. But why do you think this problem is only in Gr. 4?
Personal experience. I had problems with three out of five group 4 races last season, zero out of five group 3 races. And now it starts again with problems in the first group 4 race I can attend (I missed last week's race). This kind of widespread dirty driving has only happened to me in group 4 races, whereas in group 3 you get the occasional dirty driver sure but it's just that one driver.

In this race I ran afoul of four different dirty drivers, and that's the theme for all the group 4 races once they get dirty. I should have known things were gonna go sideways when I had people nearly muscling me off track on the qualifying outlap...

It just isn't fun to race in those conditions.
 
Silly question here chaps, how exactly are the points calculated?

Can you take part in all races today and only your best score counts? Dont really get the whole being able to take part in the same race in Sardegna multiple times and how the scores work if you do. I only took part in one race in Round 1.

Slightly confused by the explanation on GTā€™s website.

Much appreciate if anyone could shed some light.

Thank you!
You can race in any of the five slots, or all of them, or anything in between.

You get one attempt per slot (disconnects counts as an attempt).

Your final score counts, not your best score. So if you score 100 points in the first slot you race and 50 points in the second slot, then you get 50 points.
 
You can race in any of the five slots, or all of them, or anything in between.

You get one attempt per slot (disconnects counts as an attempt).

Your final score counts, not your best score. So if you score 100 points in the first slot you race and 50 points in the second slot, then you get 50 points.
Thank you mate! All clear now.

Much appreciated :)
 
Avoid the gravel. It is not your friend.

Light damage is useless. You only really get it after smashing head on into a wall. The penalty you probably get for that plus the damage is salt into the wound. Heavier damage which you can pick up from a punt and the only way to solve it is pitting may help stop people punting.

Didnā€™t there used to be damage in these things? What happened?
 
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After roughly 2 months away I finally returned, so hi! šŸ‘‹ Was confident of doing well in this race as I felt my 1:24.6 in practice wasnā€™t too bad for my lobby level. So I was pretty disappointed with 10th only clocking a 1:26.1. Was 0.4 up on my final run but screwed up the final turn. Would have put me 5th.

As for the race. It has just left a bitter taste in the mouth and wondering why I bothered returning! Really didnā€™t enjoy it. Was just a lot of diving and pushing. I wasnā€™t totally innocent myself, accidentally knocking into someone at T1 losing us both a place as I got caught out by draft and locked up. At one point an M4 in front totally pit manoeuvred a lambo for absolutely no reason? Lap 9 I had moved into 7th and felt comfortable finally. Second to last corner I followed the M4 in front onto the grass and just about stopped myself spinning. Fell back to 9th. Would have potentially had 6th if I hadnā€™t have done that! race ended with the guy I bumped into saying I was a diving **** and an idiot and that heā€™d reported me, so that was nice. šŸ‘
 
Finally got around to posting the remaining Season 1 race reports....

Manufacturers - Spa Gr.4

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In hindsight, I probably should have practiced more for this race, because I fell short of improving on the 100 points from Laguna Seca in the first three races.

I qualified 8th in Race 4 with a time 7 tenths better than my Race 1 quali time, showing how little practice I did. All I had to do was stay in the top 10 to improve my score.

Having learnt from the previous three races that cold Hards were prone to wheelspin when starting in the Bus Stop, I briefly turned on TCS 2 for the Bus Stop before turning it off down the home straight. I should have kept TCS on for La Source, because I wound up spinning my tyres on exit and allow the Taiwanese Aston behind to close in and pass me into Les Combes.
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However, the Aston proceed to hit both bollards at Malmedy, giving me enough of a run to pass on the inside into Bruxelles.
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Things got worse for the Taiwanese, as I had to catch a brief slide on entry into Pouhon, forcing the Taiwanese right behind me to back up and get passed by a Hongkonger in another Aston into Campus. Hitting both bollards in the second half of Campus proved to be the fatal mistake for the Taiwanese, as a Japanese Aston (who had been called out as dirty in warm-up) got the run on the Taiwanese before slamming the latter into the dirt into Stavelot and sending him spinning into the gravel.
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The Japanese then tried barging past the Hongkonger into the Bus Stop, only for the Hongkonger to return the favour on exit. My shoddy start, combined with the shenanigans happening behind me left me in no man's land for the entire race, only gaining one place from an AMG that ran wide and spun at the kink before the Bus Stop. I cruised to 7th for 128 points.



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Nations - German Civil War at Nurburgring GP

If there is one thing the Hamilton Time Trial taught me about Nurburgring GP, it is that I am horrendous at negotiating Sector 1 and the Chicane consistently. Unsurprisingly, I was not even close to beating my scores from Big Willow or Tsukuba. The best result I got was in the final race with a heavily diluted lobby with three B rank drivers and a sky-high target of a top 2 finish to improve on my points.

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Strategy: 7H-7M

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Starting 8th after the polesitter got sent to the disco, I got one place from a Japanese AMG that went very deep into turn 1 and another place when a Malaysian AMG came together with a Beetle on exit at the Chicane, allowing me to take 6th off the AMG.

However, my gains would be short-lived, as I ran wide at turn 7 on lap 2 and nearly got shoved off by the same guy that blocked me at Laguna Seca. The ensuring battle dropped me back down to 8th behind the Malaysian. Trapped behind the bickering AMGs, I got divebombed by another Beetle into turn 3 on lap 3. The Beetle collided with me before hitting the throttle too hard and spinning himself out.
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The Malaysian then decided that he had enough of the blocker's argy-bargy driving and drove himself and the blocker off at Warsteiner, handing 6th back to me.
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With 5th well out of reach, I spent a couple of laps on my own before being caught and passed by a Thai BMW at the Chicane on lap 5. I got back past the following lap when the Thai got a slow exit out of turn 4, allowing me to hook it round the outside of turn 5. After fending off the Thai at the Schumacher S, I got a penalty from the enigmatic track limits of the Chicane, sending me back down to 8th on my in lap.

Taking the Mediums, I came out 9th behind the Thai and a Beetle. The Thai ran deep into turn 3, prompting me to take a narrow-to-wide line through turns 3 and 4 to retake 8th.
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That was followed by a dive up the inside of the Beetle at turn 7, compromising him enough to take 7th. That became 6th when I just barely passed the Malaysian just exiting the pits. As these three cars were all on Hards, I had no trouble pulling away, taking one final place off a late stopper to finish 5th for a useless 133 points. Disappointing, but it was a good race nonetheless.

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Manufacturers - Sardegna A Gr.3

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Strategy: 6M-9S

I went into this race needing 7th or better to improve, with a good qualifying placing just 2 places short of my target.

The GT-R that started ahead of me seemed to be off the pace, pushing me to find a way past quickly. That opportunity came on lap 2 at turn 9 (the braking zone after the inflatable arch), when the GT-R braked a lot earlier than I expected, forcing me to react by taking the inside into the corner and making the pass.
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Penalties being served up ahead gave me 7th and a battle with a black/gold Mustang over 6th on lap 4. We spent most of the first sector side by side, with the pony car coming out ahead out of the left/right combo of turns 4 and 5 and pulling away.

On lap 6, an Atenza managed to catch up to me and pass me on the inside into turn 1. Since I was on my in lap, I conceded 6th and pitted for Softs.
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I spent the second stint on my own, taking places from others serving their stops. By lap 12, I was in 8th, just one place short of my target. But with 7th well down the road, hitting my target seemed impossible... until the black/gold Mustang from before ran just a little too wide out of the penultimate corner on the penultimate lap, hitting the wall and spinning down to 9th.



With the Mustang's mistake, I came home 7th to bag 135 points, while the Mustang clawed back one place on the final lap to finish 8th.
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Final Standings for 2021 Season 1
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For Nations, I finished 6th in the domestic rankings and a surprising 159th in Asia. I was not expecting to get a top 200 ranking, though that was probably due to my good result in Mini Madness.

As for Manufacturers, I finished 4th within Citroen (behind three A+ drivers) and 517th in the region.

I'm really happy with these results, especially with my new best point finishes in both Nations and Manufacturers.
 
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Only did last slot in OZ and due to a really bad quali I was last and the racing was so dirty I quit. Was a good boy and didn't retaliate.
Just tried euro Q10, was up to 6th at one point, but it was just terrible constant punts. I was punted 3 times before I quit and again managed not to retaliate, but no point even trying to race. Not just my ones, but several other punts witnessed and not one single penalty. It's a joke, but it aint funny.
Might try the combos I really like, so Monza and Brands for manu and 4 look good for nations, but the rest I'm skipping.
 
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I Expected total carnage so I guess it went okay in the end.

Qualified 9th with an okay lap, start went okay and for the rest in the race I was in a constant battle for place 5 to 7.
Had a very good fight with a German fellow in a silver Aston, he was very clean indeed and soon realized i could have a clean fight with him and one could trust him not to divebomb. In the end i ended up 6th as i did got divebombed a bit in the last lap by a Spanish Jaguar, overtaking us both. (although I think i braked a little bit to early).
Sorry to lose 5th place but happy with the 78 points.

I did not really witness any real dirty driving although there were some questionable moves here and there. many crashed on their own though, granting my some spots. For myself, I managed to succeed in driving more assertive then normal and made some overtakes and defensive moves I would probably normally not have done. But all of these went fine, no real punting, pushing or divebombing. Had an excellent overtake twice at turn one. In the end I am pleased with the result in what I experienced as a very hectic race.

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I have to say that I did enjoy most lobbies in which i practiced before the race more. Shared a track with Sven_Logan2 and Svenamstart and even saw the Slow Captain drive off into the distance. Really nice and respectfull races in most of these lobbies.

Now 2 weeks to practice for Gr 3 at the RBR. I think the Citroen will not do so well there....
 
Didnā€™t there used to be damage in these things? What happened?
Still there, but only light. No idea what the suspension damage does. The car never feels different. Engine damage slows you for a bit until it clears.

Well that was a crap race. Started well enough. Qualified 7th. All was going well on lap 1. I accidentally nudged the Cayman ahead but slowed as he recovered from his oversteer and continued on. I did manage to pull a slight gap on the run down the hill. However just as I was turning in I was punted heavily into the gravel. I was now at the back of an aggressive pack and it wouldn't be easy to get back through. A couple span out so gained a couple of positions. Then as I closed in on a fight just ahead I tried to carry momentum in the downhill right hairpin by going narrower. This put 2 tyres on the grass and promptly spun me. Not quite to DFL but almost. It was a lap or 2 before I could get consistency back and only gained one more place due to a spin to finish 17th. Can't do anymore slots so leaving today very frustrated. I looked back at the replay. So I was hit from way back. It seemed everyone but me could brake late into that corner. But coming through the kink a Viper was tapped on it's rear giving it a tank slapper. He waited until he was straight before braking. He was so deep he was always going to hit the gaggle ahead. He hit a Ferrari which hit me shoving me off. Complete bad luck on my part. (What's new!) I would have been clear otherwise.
 
Avoid the gravel. It is not your friend.
Tell that to the German in the only other Jag on the grid who kindly escorted me into the sand on lap 4 and sent me from 8th to 17th.... šŸ¤¦ā€

Ended the race in P13. Which is a shame because I was Q10 and building pace and catching the pack ahead when the kind man let me play in the gravel.

Edit: just watched the replay back and he lunged from a mile back and did a Maldonado and saw a gap that didn't exist until he put his car there.... šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

 
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Still there, but only light. No idea what the suspension damage does. The car never feels different. Engine damage slows you for a bit until it clears.

Well that was a crap race. Started well enough. Qualified 7th. All was going well on lap 1. I accidentally nudged the Cayman ahead but slowed as he recovered from his oversteer and continued on. I did manage to pull a slight gap on the run down the hill. However just as I was turning in I was punted heavily into the gravel. I was now at the back of an aggressive pack and it wouldn't be easy to get back through. A couple span out so gained a couple of positions. Then as I closed in on a fight just ahead I tried to carry momentum in the downhill right hairpin by going narrower. This put 2 tyres on the grass and promptly spun me. Not quite to DFL but almost. It was a lap or 2 before I could get consistency back and only gained one more place due to a spin to finish 17th. Can't do anymore slots so leaving today very frustrated. I looked back at the replay. So I was hit from way back. It seemed everyone but me could brake late into that corner. But coming through the kink a Viper was tapped on it's rear giving it a tank slapper. He waited until he was straight before braking. He was so deep he was always going to hit the gaggle ahead. He hit a Ferrari which hit me shoving me off. Complete bad luck on my part. (What's new!) I would have been clear otherwise.
I think the damage does simulate mis-alignment of whatever corner was hit.
 
First off, I apologise to @PirovacBoy for not mentioning him by name in my last write-up. Thanks for the hard racing at Interlagos and the practice runs for this evening's trip around Sardegna B. Hope to see you on the track again soon. šŸ‘

Was pretty stoked for this after performing well in testing, but despite a great qualifying session the 18:20 turned out to be a less than easy affair.

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Plenty of variety once again, though I was only one of three 4WD cohorts along with the Lancer Evo from last time out and a Portuguese Mazda. Realised from practice runs that high 1:24s were achievable in qualifying with a gentle out lap, and this proved to be the case when I set a 1:24.962 to go 4th behind two Audis and a Scirocco. Gap between me and the polesitter was just over 9 hundredths - my fastest in testing was a 1:24.732, so not far off a second pole in that case.

Generally, I was happy with my race pace going into this, so had high hopes of getting a good finish and possibly taking advantage of the FWD runners eating their tyres up. Those hopes were quickly dashed when the TTs made an early break for it and the Halfords Scirocco (the same one who finished 2nd at Interlagos) makes a run on me through Turns 6, 7 and 8. Had a lucky break when the other Scirocco (driven by an Austrian player) slid and hit the inner barrier, but after that things went downhill. Couldn't get a consistent rhythm going as I was too focused on fighting the Halfords car then tried to defend from the more potent Red Bull BMW until he took 4th down the start-finish straight. For some reason, the WRX didn't feel as eager to turn in as in testing, though that could've been partially down to the minor errors I was making under braking during that phase.

More fighting ensued as the recovering Austrian bump drafted me and the BMW went wide near the turbines. Went three-wide a couple of times on Lap 5 as the Scirocco tried to force his way back past; at Turn 4, I was on the inside, the BMW got hung out to dry, but the Scirocco pulls clear and rockets into the distance on his way to retaking 3rd. This scrapping only allowed the tricolore Ferrari an opportunity to get a similar run to the Halfords car which I could do nothing against. The BMW also forced his way back past at Turn 8. End of the lap I put three wheels over the blue line at the final 'S' bend - something which I swore I would not do after practice - which is enough to pick up a penalty. As if the race wasn't already stressful enough! Followed the Cayman home in 8th as the rest of the group still fought for 4th, this time against the red and yellow TT who dropped off after taking the lead the few times.

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Dejected to have lost out on Top 5 honours again, but still pleasantly surprised to salvage 201 points and another DR boost out of it. The speed differentials and constant scrapping in the first half made this a lot more frustrating and wearying than the test lobbies, and there were many times where I ended up driving a lot more forcefully than I would've liked despite the need to conserve the front tyres. Had I stuck it on pole, I'm sure I would've had the same issues against the TTs judging by how easily they rocketed away near the start. Not up for a rerun so this will have to do for tonight.
 
Just tried to enter the last lobby of the night and got stuck on the "waiting for everyone to finish getting ready" screen. Does that mean I'm about to lose a load for DR and all my points for today?

EDIT: Nothing lost. :)
 
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Glad I sat out Slot 1.

I'm waiting for Slot 3 before I make my first attempt tonight as hopefully the maniacs will have either had their fun and gone to bed, or dropped low enough that I don't get grouped with them.
Honestly it wasn't super crazy, just a little over aggressive. Not leaving room on the exit. I went back and saw I was close to that with someone else when I was passing. Just makes it a bit harder, and more difficult to tell what is rough racing versus push to pass like a šŸ¤¬
 

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