2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[CTznOfTime]

Doesn't this election feel like the opposite of 2016? Trump is the hated candidate that seems overweighted in the polls compared to general sentiment.

no it does not feel like 2016....


2016 was unique
2020 was unique
2024 is unique

The worse and the frustration i have with the 2024 election is :
this is the 3rd time we are having trump on the ballot.

with all the shenanigans he has done up until now, you would think that the most powerful country in the world, and allegedly the smartest would have learned its lessons by now.
fool me once...
fool me twice...

Yet: how could we let ourselves getting fool a third time, face palm meme

The truth and fact is: trump is the symptom for this country, and very similar to what is happening currently in France and Germany and Italy (where there is a sentiment for the need of the rise of the right/extreme droite)
Have people not learned from their history books ?!?

One would think that with the advance and availability of information from the internet, people would be smart enough to determine and know truth from fake news, correct from wrong, etc...
I really dont understand and it is beyond me why people continously believe the fake and false news over the truth that is staring right in front of them...
why do people choose to believe the wrong stuff, Flat earther phenomenon...

The sad truth is that half of the population is so entrenched in believing only their own beliefs... making up their own truth...
I totally blame the education system, and (edit: this blind obsession with a fake god/religion (christian nationalists and money))

We are clearly in a country that prefer to value making short term financial gains over investing into our future through education and better health, the US is seriously NOT ensuring its population can be smart and healthy enough....
(underlying message is: the rich and powerful prefer a dumb controllable population that is drown in debt, thus more controllable and exploitable)

a population that is too smart or too powerful is no good for a government...
Out of the two party, which one do you think has more to gain or lose from such philosophy....


3rd time is the charm to send this trump the dump to never land ?!



Part of me wants trump to win, so we can see how far down the drain this country will be going.... and maybe then the country would learn its lesson.... but people on the right will still somehow continue to blame the left/Obama/Biden/Clinton/Kamala, even if trump finish his term....

they have no capacity to learn it seems...



EDIT: my dream cabinet or leadership would be Andrew Yang, Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg....
fact: in no particular order, i am Catholic and an Engineer (make what you will, i dont fit into any typical boxes)

 

[Danoff]

Part of me wants trump to win, so we can see how far down the drain this country will be going.... and maybe then the country would learn its lesson....

That's the end of the country, it can't learn its lesson if it died. And when power no longer comes from the people, learning the lesson is moot. I think sometimes people do not fully appreciate what it means to be oppressed by a government.

In my view, if Trump wins and actually takes office, America as it was founded no longer exists. It will have become something else, untethered from its charter, and become a new chapter of the country which will have morphed into an authoritarian regime in which a supreme ruler is no longer bound by any rules or constraints. Trump is so diametrically opposed to George Washington, James Madison, and the rest, that I could not call a new Trump regime America.

It is to the point where if Trump won, I think the right course of action would be secession and the fracturing of the nation into (at least) two pieces. And neither piece should adopt the framework that America currently has in whole. Meaning that America as it was created will have ceased to exist either way.

In some respects, I think secession is the only way to fully address the problems that have been revealed. If Kamala wins, it might be kicking the can down the road in hopes that sentiments change.

 

[Haitauer]

allegedly the smartest

Does anyone believe that? 😂 Sure - when you have 330 million people there likely is also few brighter individuals to count as "intellectual property". But the fact alone that Trump is anything but a joke tells a lot about the majority of the population. Here in Europe every child used to want to be "the President of the United States" when they grow up. Then came Trump and now the POTUS is a meme for the children. And not only for the children. 😂 Trump has destroyed United States credence in the eyes of the rest of the world, and now it's somebody elses job to Make America Great Again.. 😉

 

[Danoff]

Does anyone believe that? 😂 Sure - when you have 330 million people there likely is also few brighter individuals to count as "intellectual property". But the fact alone that Trump is anything but a joke tells a lot about the majority of the population. Here in Europe every child used to want to be "the President of the United States" when they grow up. Then came Trump and now the POTUS is a meme for the children. And not only for the children. 😂 Trump has destroyed United States credence in the eyes of the rest of the world, and now it's somebody elses job to Make America Great Again.. 😉

He's our Kim Jong Un.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Does anyone believe that? 😂 Sure - when you have 330 million people there likely is also few brighter individuals to count as "intellectual property". But the fact alone that Trump is anything but a joke tells a lot about the majority of the population. Here in Europe every child used to want to be "the President of the United States" when they grow up. Then came Trump and now the POTUS is a meme for the children. And not only for the children. 😂 Trump has destroyed United States credence in the eyes of the rest of the world, and now it's somebody elses job to Make America Great Again.. 😉

america is too dumb to understand there are other smarter people out there....

america has been living in a mirage....

fooling everyone, especially themselves....

when you travel enough, you see it... as i have

unfortunately americans have been led to believe that they dont need to travel anywhere because their country is the greatest in the world

vicious circle of dumbness

unfortunately the majority of americans have not left their country to understand how dumb they are...
stupid people dont know they are dumb, stupid is is stupid does...
this is a sickness that is inflicting at least 50% of this country... There is no appreciation for the "others", and they dont realize that "others" are actually much more similar to them in reality...

Americans have been led to think they are special for far too long.... special alright... please step into the short bus...

we have so much to learn from Nordic countries like yours...



damn shame for sure

 

[Haitauer]

He's our Kim Jong Un.

Greetings from Finland. English subtitles available.

america is too dumb to understand there are other smarter people out there....

america has been living in a mirage....

fooling everyone, especially themselves....

when you travel enough, you see it... as i have

unfortunately americans have been led to believe that they dont need to travel anywhere because their country is the greatest in the world

vicious circle of dumbness

unfortunately the majority of americans have not left their country to understand how dumb their are...
stupid people dont know they are dumb, stupid is is stupid does...

we have so much to learn from Nordic countries like yours...



damn shame for sure

Thank you for the compliment - but our country has also voted for a government that takes us to the "promised land of capitalism".

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I'm of the opinion that the GOP is revealing its true colors, which it has been developing since at least Nixon. I think the authoritarian bent within this group is strong, and they just weren't saying it openly or willing to address their disagreement with the founding principles of the country.

Now that they have a leader who is willing to toss aside the constitution and democracy, they're finding that they support authoritarianism more than the constitution or democracy.

There's definitely some of that, and then there are the rank and file GOP reps that are just swimming with the current. It's not much better, but it's reality. If Trump truly falls from grace, he will take the MAGA movement with him because, like the Fuhrer, he is that movement. The GOP can't take 3 Ls in a row and stay with this guy. There were a ton of people in 1930s Germany that got swept up in the Nazi movement (I'm talking civilians) who then more or less became normal humans afterwards. I'm as perennially optimistic as @TexRex is cynical, so I hope for a significant course correction should Trump lose. I want it to happen.

 

[Danoff]

There's definitely some of that, and then there are the rank and file GOP reps that are just swimming with the current. It's not much better, but it's reality. If Trump truly falls from grace, he will take the MAGA movement with him because, like the Fuhrer, he is that movement. The GOP can't take 3 Ls in a row and stay with this guy. There were a ton of people in 1930s Germany that got swept up in the Nazi movement (I'm talking civilians) who then more or less became normal humans afterwards. I'm as perennially optimistic as @TexRex is cynical, so I hope for a significant course correction should Trump lose. I want it to happen.

Well Nazi German had to contend with having gotten everything they wanted and still failing. If Trump loses, our nazi wing won't have gotten everything it wanted and failed, so I'm not sure it dies the same way.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Well Nazi German had to contend with having gotten everything they wanted and still failing. If Trump loses, our nazi wing won't have gotten everything it wanted and failed, so I'm not sure it dies the same way.

i fear they will keep on pushing and find someone else more potent and more effective.... trump is showing them that it is still possible, and if anything, there is unfortunately hope for them to carry out their evil plans
it is evident that there are several different pushes in that Project 2025 for different ideologies under trump to succeed... and many people with that type of right wing and extreme right ideology (fascist and dictatorship from the right) to rise up further after trump.... trump is just them testing out the waters...


edit: this is my 4400th post on this site

 

[Blitz24]

i fear they will keep on pushing and find someone else more potent and more effective.... trump is showing them that it is still possible, and if anything, there is unfortunately hope for them to carry out their evil plans
it is evident that there are several different pushes in that Project 2025 for different ideologies under trump to succeed... and many people with that type of right wing and extreme right ideology (fascist and dictatorship from the right) to rise up further after trump.... trump is just them testing out the waters...


edit: this is my 4400th post on this site

I disagree. For now, Trump is unique in that he can rally people behind him for the Project 2025 cause. There's nobody in the current MAGA movement with the same combination that would make them an effective replacement.

 

[TexRex]

The GOP can't take 3 Ls in a row and stay with this guy.

Kicking the Fake Bake bitch to the curb turns on their acknowledging those Ls, which they don't do. They do not acknowledge the L of 2020 and they will not acknowledge an L in 2024. You're given to accept reality and so the scenario you conceive is one in which others do the same, but that's its fundamental flaw. They are broken and no number of horses and men will put them back together.

 

[CTznOfTime]

I disagree. For now, Trump is unique in that he can rally people behind him for the Project 2025 cause. There's nobody in the current MAGA movement with the same combination that would make them an effective replacement.

agree with you there, there is no one currently.... but they have the templates and they know what to do and mainly what NOT to do in the future, to avoid failure and increase their chances of success...

it will not come right away, but you can feel in the background there are something boiling up.... it will be foolishing to think that they are NOT actively trying to find that persona....

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

i fear they will keep on pushing and find someone else more potent and more effective.... trump is showing them that it is still possible, and if anything, there is unfortunately hope for them to carry out their evil plans
it is evident that there are several different pushes in that Project 2025 for different ideologies under trump to succeed... and many people with that type of right wing and extreme right ideology (fascist and dictatorship from the right) to rise up further after trump.... trump is just them testing out the waters...


edit: this is my 4400th post on this site

I think what you are not appreciating is how unique of a character Trump is. He is like a once-in-a-century type political figure in my eyes. There is literally nobody else I can think of in that political movement that could take the reigns effectively. Plenty are smarter, many would be more effective leaders, many would have more carefully assembled platforms & positions...but none of them could attract the outright love that Trump does from his supporters. It's a party of him, full stop, and without him I can't see how it continues to function. In the very least there would be a splintering of allegiances - some might go for DeSantis, some might go for DTJ, some might go deeper down the rabbit hold with MTG or Gaez but I don't see any of these people being charismatic enough to unite the opposition to mainstream America that Donald Trump has done.

Kicking the Fake Bake bitch to the curb turns on their acknowledging those Ls, which they don't do. They do not acknowledge the L of 2020 and they will not acknowledge an L in 2024. You're given to accept reality and so the scenario you conceive is one in which others do the same, but that's its fundamental flaw. They are broken and no number of horses and men will put them back together.

If Trump loses again, they will have to - particularly because candidates not named Donald Trump do pretty poorly when he's leading the movement but not on the ballot and he'll definitely be too old, too exhausted, and too imprisoned to run again. My optimism hinges on the GOP having no other option. It will either splinter or it will abandon MAGA - either outcome will go a long way in restoring balance, IMO. But he has to lose.

 

[CTznOfTime]

I think what you are not appreciating is how unique of a character Trump is. He is like a once-in-a-century type political figure in my eyes. There is literally nobody else I can think of in that political movement that could take the reigns effectively. Plenty are smarter, many would be more effective leaders, many would have more carefully assembled platforms & positions...but none of them could attract the outright love that Trump does from his supporters. It's a party of him, full stop, and without him I can't see how it continues to function. In the very least there would be a splintering of allegiances - some might go for DeSantis, some might go for DTJ, some might go deeper down the rabbit hold with MTG or Gaez but I don't see any of these people being charismatic enough to unite the opposition to mainstream America that Donald Trump has done.



If Trump loses again, they will have to - particularly because candidates not named Donald Trump do pretty poorly when he's leading the movement but not on the ballot and he'll definitely be too old, too exhausted, and too imprisoned to run again. My optimism hinges on the GOP having no other option. It will either splinter or it will abandon MAGA - either outcome will go a long way in restoring balance, IMO. But he has to lose.

appreciating is the wrong word here, i would like to say recognize, and i fully recognize it... (EDIT: i recognized it right away back in 2015, and was shocked that he won then)

but be wary... because they morth, they will readjust and the supporters will also... they will appear less dumb next time.... a trump 3.0 will not be something this country can counter...

 

[UKMikey]

 

[05XR8]

agree with you there, there is no one currently.... but they have the templates and they know what to do and mainly what NOT to do in the future, to avoid failure and increase their chances of success...

it will not come right away, but you can feel in the background there are something boiling up.... it will be foolishing to think that they are NOT actively trying to find that persona....

I think if Vance can stick to his guns he’ll probably have a good chance at POTUS in four years. He seems more scary than Trump, in a Jim Jones kind of way. Lulling followers that didn’t realise they drank the Kool-Aid they made.

 

[CTznOfTime]

I think if Vance can stick to his guns he’ll probably have a good chance at POTUS in four years. He seems more scary than Trump, in a Jim Jones kind of way. Lulling followers that didn’t realise they drank the Kool-Aid they made.

Nah.. Vance won't last long... luckily not smart or dumb enough... The only reason he is "accepted" among MAGA is because their dear leader told them so, and they don't dare disrespect or disagree....

In a vacuum, Vance has no chance.

Dude can't even order his own hole donut .

 

[05XR8]

Nah.. Vance won't last long... luckily not smart or dumb enough... The only reason he is "accepted" among MAGA is because their dear leader told them so, and they don't dare disrespect or disagree....

In a vacuum, Vance has no chance.

Dude can't even order his own hole donut .

Seriously, I thought the same of Trump’s initial running. No absolute way that guy would gain traction. Yet, he sat in the Oval Office. However, Vance was picked to run with Trump. To me, it looks like a Bush/Cheney administration. Where eyes have to be kept on both of them(meaning if Trump and Vance win). I think Vance can get into some stuff if he’s given a pen.

 

[TexRex]

Whatever that was it appears to be gone.

 

[UKMikey]

Whatever that was it appears to be gone.

It was a twixt from John Hartzell/Middle Age Riot saying that it's infinitely harder to convince Republicans of a truth which contradicts their prejudices than to get them to reject a lie which confirms them. Not sure why he deleted it. Maybe I should've screenshotted instead...

 

[Jezza819]

I would say, "of course he's from Alabama" but I think there's many more like him across the country.

Cullman man sentenced for threatening election workers in Arizona

A Cullman man was sentenced to over two years in prison for sending messages threatening election workers in 2022.

www.waff.com

 

[McLaren]

Jesus H. Christ, man.

Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had’

The Republican nominee’s preoccupation with dictators, and his disdain for the American military, is deepening.

www.theatlantic.com

There's also a short paragraph this article starts with detailing the death & funeral of Vanessa Guillen who was killed by a fellow soldier at Fort Hood. Trump had promised to cover the cost of her funeral. When the family's attorney sent the $60,000 bill to the White House, the article cites that Trump became enraged that they were "trying to rip him off" & "it doesn't cost $60,000 to bury a ******* Mexican".....

Update:

Guys, it's actually all just a big misunderstanding. Trump didn't know Hitler's Generals were Nazis.

“[Former Defense Secretary Jim] Mattis and Kelly didn’t like the president,” Kilmeade said, referencing the memoir of H.R. McMaster — Trump’s former national security adviser who also wrote that Putin is manipulating Trump by exploiting his ego. “I can absolutely see [Trump] go, ‘It’d be great to have German generals that actually do what we ask them to do, maybe not fully being cognizant of the third rail of German generals who were Nazis or whatever,” Kilmeade said. “But he was frustrated with the slow down of commands that were not implemented.”

Fox Host Says Maybe Trump Didn't Realize Hitler's Generals Were Nazis

Brian Kilmeade of Fox News tried to defend Donald Trump after John Kelly said the former president needed “the kind of generals that Hitler had."

www.rollingstone.com

 

[HenrySwanson]

Update:

Guys, it's actually all just a big misunderstanding. Trump didn't know Hitler's Generals were Nazis.

Fox Host Says Maybe Trump Didn't Realize Hitler's Generals Were Nazis

Brian Kilmeade of Fox News tried to defend Donald Trump after John Kelly said the former president needed “the kind of generals that Hitler had."

www.rollingstone.com

Like I said in another thread, right wingers are a lost cause when trying conventional techniques.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Update:

Guys, it's actually all just a big misunderstanding. Trump didn't know Hitler's Generals were Nazis.

Fox Host Says Maybe Trump Didn't Realize Hitler's Generals Were Nazis

Brian Kilmeade of Fox News tried to defend Donald Trump after John Kelly said the former president needed “the kind of generals that Hitler had."

www.rollingstone.com

Evidence that Brian Kilmeade and FOX are either:
1) completetly uneducated
2) extremely stupid
3) totally aware and totally distorting the truth to fool the viewers
4) a little bit of all but with the wrong mix.

again: how is it that anyone listening to this kind of statement not react like LLCoolJ ?
anyone going along with it can be categorized in 2)





EDIT:
A) The fact that trump said what he said, is cringe-worthy, whether he knows it or not, whether it's unintentional or worse yet intentional... that alone should disqualify him from running
B) the fact that Brain Kilmeade/Fox try to cover up the statement, put on some red lipstick over it with some smoke and mirror effort to fool the blind sheeps, that alone makes them a bunch of reprehensible beings...
C) when nobody is calling out and pointing out these sort of cheap shots, and leaving it out there unchecked or even reporting about it at face value without any analysis, makes everyone complicit, whether directly involved or not...

when A, B, and C happens, even the original statement is totally untrue, somehow become legitimized and accepted as benign...

I hate to overact over minute things, but this is a slippery slop we have gotten ourselves on... why are we not saying that we are completely sliding from the top...

 

[McLaren]

I think what you are not appreciating is how unique of a character Trump is. He is like a once-in-a-century type political figure in my eyes. There is literally nobody else I can think of in that political movement that could take the reigns effectively. Plenty are smarter, many would be more effective leaders, many would have more carefully assembled platforms & positions...but none of them could attract the outright love that Trump does from his supporters. It's a party of him, full stop, and without him I can't see how it continues to function. In the very least there would be a splintering of allegiances - some might go for DeSantis, some might go for DTJ, some might go deeper down the rabbit hold with MTG or Gaez but I don't see any of these people being charismatic enough to unite the opposition to mainstream America that Donald Trump has done.

It's 110% this.

GOP politicians like DeSantis have already tried to emulate Trump. They can't do it. They do not have his charisma or showmanship; that's the one thing Trump does exceptionally well, capturing people's attention, for better or worse. His own sons have tried to mimic him & they fail at it. The fact Trump will still be alive & kicking probably all the way through til' 2028 or 2032 will also make it nigh impossible for another person to capture his audience b/c MAGA has shown they will remain loyal to Trump until death do they part.

It's as you said, the GOP will have to adopt someone new if they lose this election. And it will need to be someone away from MAGA b/c the GOP's job then will be to court voters who went for the Dems during this & the 2020 election b/c the MAGA base will either continue to just write-in Trump or vote Republican only out of loyalty to the party. There will be no point in being like Haley or Vivek where they attempt to offer common sense whilst trying to still show some loyalty to MAGA; those voters are gone, the next GOP candidate needs to barely acknowledge them b/c as said, Trump will still be alive & will still be the person they listen to even as the GOP makes attempts to move on.

I think if Vance can stick to his guns he’ll probably have a good chance at POTUS in four years. He seems more scary than Trump, in a Jim Jones kind of way. Lulling followers that didn’t realise they drank the Kool-Aid they made.

He'll be done. His approval rating has been trash since he became the VP nominee & he barely won Ohio as a Republican. Peter Thiel will probably even stop using him now that he knows the American public will want nothing to do with an idea presented by JD.

 

[TexRex]

MAGA Faithful Say McDonald’s E. Coli Outbreak Is a Conspiracy to Hurt Trump

"I think this was orchestrated by deep state Harris supporters after Trump’s visit to McDonald’s," one Trump supporter wrote.

gizmodo.com

Update:

Guys, it's actually all just a big misunderstanding. Trump didn't know Hitler's Generals were Nazis.

Fox Host Says Maybe Trump Didn't Realize Hitler's Generals Were Nazis

Brian Kilmeade of Fox News tried to defend Donald Trump after John Kelly said the former president needed “the kind of generals that Hitler had."

www.rollingstone.com

I stand by it.

 

[UKMikey]

The sanewashing is, well, insane.

Meanwhile in election news, Tulsi Gabbard has officially joined the GOP as per The Hill.

https://thehill.com/video/tulsi-gabbard-says-she%E2%80%99s-joining-the-gop/10156239/

 

[FuriousDemon]

With how close with election is, GOP doesn’t need to do much to win next time, even if trump loses. Almost 50% of the people are ignoring facts and are ready to vote for a literal Nazi as long as it hurts the dems/wokes/immigrats of the wrong color, etc. For the election to be this close, that means there’s enough “independents” that are ok with this. Imagine putting a guy who is a little less direct Nazi, but still promotes the same “values”, while promising mythical tax cuts along with some kind of a plan instead of a concept of a plan. I know everyone thinks trump is some kind of a unicorn, but look at what’s happening in Europe with the rise of right wingers everywhere. I think trumpism/nazism is here to stay for the foreseeable future in one way or another.

 

[CTznOfTime]

With how close with election is, GOP doesn’t need to do much to win next time, even if trump loses. Almost 50% of the people are ignoring facts and are ready to vote for a literal Nazi as long as it hurts the dems/wokes/immigrats of the wrong color, etc. For the election to be this close, that means there’s enough “independents” that are ok with this. Imagine putting a guy who is a little less direct Nazi, but still promotes the same “values”, while promising mythical tax cuts along with some kind of a plan instead of a concept of a plan. I know everyone thinks trump is some kind of a unicorn, but look at what’s happening in Europe with the rise of right wingers everywhere. I think trumpism/nazism is here to stay for the foreseeable future in one way or another.

Sadly true....


The only way that this movement dies off is exactly that, when its believers will die off of old age....
Most of the MAGA people are from the older generation, but there are younger people between 30 and 50 also....

It might take a while but we have to out numbers them in time... Not artificially.

Anyone taking offense in this ? Please come at me and provide arguments on why I would/could be wrong ?

Would gladly debate anyone from the other party....
Can you even ?

Please tell me why trump is so great ?!

 

[UKMikey]

I'm sure they'll turn up in droves if Trump gets over the finish line to tell us they were right all along, spectacularly missing the point.

If Harris wins? Not so much, I guess.