2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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TexRex
BuT hOw mAnY iS tOo MaNy?¡
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McDonald's locations stopped counting after 99 billion so that's my scientific answer.

In Alabama, you can pick one of either major party in a Primary Election, regardless of registration, and they'll give you that specific ballot. I have no idea how that affects third-party/independent candidates for office, unless it's for positions with no party affiliations (then it appears on everyone's ballots).
 
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Unless the Republican party has a super voting card up their sleeve, I cannot see how we are avoiding the election re-match nobody wants to see again (except for the MAGiots and the media).
 
lol. lmao, even.

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"And then Scott - ever the diplomat - walks up to take the mic (after removing his cap in respect) and says to Trump, "i just really love you Mr Trump sir."

Without looking him in the eye,. Obviously.
 
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Sounds like a very Fat Tony way to strongarm people into starving "Birdbrain" (really?) of donations but if those people want preferential treatment from Trump I think they'll absolutely try to buy their way back into the MAGA camp.

My guess is that despite his tirade he'll take that money in a heatbeat to help pay off his mounting legal bills. Especially when she immediately endorses him after he forces her out to appease the GOP base.
 
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UKMikey
Sounds like a very Fat Tony way to strongarm people into starving "Birdbrain" (really?) of donations but if those people want preferential tratment from him I think they'll absolutely try to buy their way into the MAGA camp.

My guess is that despite his tirade he'll take that money in a heatbeat to help pay off his mounting legal bills. Especially when she immediately endorses him after he forces her out to appease the GOP base.
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Can she just drop out and endorse nobody? I mean, regardless of what happens this year, I cannot see Trump running under any circumstance in 2028.
 
Blitz24
Can she just drop out and endorse nobody? I mean, regardless of what happens this year, I cannot see Trump running under any circumstance in 2028.
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He won't need to 'run' again in '28. He'll essentially be a dictator by then.
 
Nikki has clearly got under his skin. It's not really clear to me why. Normally he rants like this out of insecurity about something. Is he not liking how close she got to him in NH? I mean it wasn't that close, but a lot closer than Iowa. Maybe he just doesn't have the energy to campaign in the rest of the remaining states, and her staying in the contest will more or less force him to. I'm not counting her out yet.

If I was Nikki I would hammer on Trump's decreasing ability to articulate coherent thoughts and relentlessly question his energy/stamina. If it was a boxing match, she could easily tire him out just by going all around the ring. She should do that in this primary.

edit: GOP voters don't seem to actually care about winning the GE - they just want to feel good about the guy they vote for:

Entrance polls showed that only 14% of Iowa GOP caucusgoers said a candidate's ability to defeat Biden was their top factor in choosing. Meanwhile, 41% chose someone who "shared their values."

Similarly, in New Hampshire exit polls, the same percentage of Republican primary voters, 14%, ranked the ability to defeat Joe Biden as their top priority. Choosing a candidate who "fights for people like me"
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Lot of emotion on the right....not a lot of reason.
 
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I'm not sure where I read it but it seems that it's quite possible that very soon Haley will be out of the race, no matter what she does by the way of how some voting works on a GOP convention - or something like that. I can't even pretend I have the slightest understanding of the primaries. Based on that it seems that by the time the PA primaries come along on 4/23, there will be only Donald Duck and Biden, so there won't be any point in the presidential primaries.
 
TheHun99
I'm not sure where I read it but it seems that it's quite possible that very soon Haley will be out of the race, no matter what she does by the way of how some voting works on a GOP convention - or something like that. I can't even pretend I have the slightest understanding of the primaries. Based on that it seems that by the time the PA primaries come along on 4/23, there will be only Donald Duck and Biden, so there won't be any point in the presidential primaries.
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The convention isn't until summer, after the primaries are over. I don't believe there is anything that would force Haley out but her chances of winning could become mathematically very small or zero at some point. This was true of John Kasich in 2016 and he stayed in until well after it was impossible for him to win.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
The convention isn't until summer, after the primaries are over. I don't believe there is anything that would force Haley out but her chances of winning could become mathematically very small or zero at some point. This was true of John Kasich in 2016 and he stayed in until well after it was impossible for him to win.
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Per Forbes, GOP leadership seems determined to force her to quit early as senators like JD Vance believe her campaign will "siphon money away from needed things". Yeah, like Trump's legal bills...
www.forbes.com

Nikki Haley Faces Growing GOP Pressure To Drop Out Of Presidential Race

Republican Party leaders including House Speaker Mike Johnson, House GOP Conference Chairwoman Rep. Elise Stefanik and Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel all called on the party to unify behind Trump.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
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UKMikey
Per Forbes, GOP leadership seems determined to force her to quit early as senators like JD Vance believe her campaign will "siphon money away from needed things". Yeah, like Trump's legal bills...
www.forbes.com

Nikki Haley Faces Growing GOP Pressure To Drop Out Of Presidential Race

Republican Party leaders including House Speaker Mike Johnson, House GOP Conference Chairwoman Rep. Elise Stefanik and Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel all called on the party to unify behind Trump.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Oh, grifting. Of course.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Nikki has clearly got under his skin. It's not really clear to me why. Normally he rants like this out of insecurity about something. Is he not liking how close she got to him in NH? I mean it wasn't that close, but a lot closer than Iowa. Maybe he just doesn't have the energy to campaign in the rest of the remaining states, and her staying in the contest will more or less force him to. I'm not counting her out yet.

If I was Nikki I would hammer on Trump's decreasing ability to articulate coherent thoughts and relentlessly question his energy/stamina. If it was a boxing match, she could easily tire him out just by going all around the ring. She should do that in this primary.
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I'm absolutey counting her out barring some catastrophic mistake by Trump...oh wait, he's immune to that because his voters love that crap.

He's not upset about anything that a normal person would be upset about. He's not normal, he's a mentally ill narcicist. He thinks in mysterious ways, but the bottom line is he's annoyed that someone could have the audacity to not stand in line behind him. Any sort of attack she levies at him doesn't even matter, none of that phases the guy. He doesn't think anything he's done has been wrong and therefore the attacks are meaningless. It's like arguing with someone from an alternate reality where words have different meanings.
 
Keef
I'm absolutey counting her out barring some catastrophic mistake by Trump...oh wait, he's immune to that because his voters love that crap.

He's not upset about anything that a normal person would be upset about. He's not normal, he's a mentally ill narcicist. He thinks in mysterious ways, but the bottom line is he's annoyed that someone could have the audacity to not stand in line behind him. Any sort of attack she levies at him doesn't even matter, none of that phases the guy. He doesn't think anything he's done has been wrong and therefore the attacks are meaningless. It's like arguing with someone from an alternate reality where words have different meanings.
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I think attacks do bother Trump...he has the thinnest skin you can imagine. However, that's not what's important. It's getting moderates to remember why they didn't vote for him in '20...because he's an unhinged lunatic. He's infallible to his base, but you have to remember that half the country hates him too.
 
Huh.
thedispatch.com

RNC Moving to Declare Trump Its Presumptive Nominee

An RNC committeeman has submitted the proposal despite Nikki Haley’s vow to stay in the race.
thedispatch.com thedispatch.com
The Republican National Committee (RNC) is reviewing a draft resolution that, if approved, would declare Donald Trump the party’s presumptive 2024 presidential nominee even as Nikki Haley continues to wage a vigorous campaign against the former president and frontrunner.

The draft resolution, obtained by The Dispatch Thursday morning, was proposed by David Bossie, an RNC committeeman from Maryland and close Trump ally. His effort to put the national party on a general election footing behind Trump follows RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel saying after the former president defeated Haley in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary that it was time for Republicans to unite behind the frontrunner and focus on defeating President Joe Biden.

“RESOLVED that the Republican National Committee hereby declares President Trump as our presumptive 2024 nominee for the office of President of the United States and from this moment forward moves into full general election mode welcoming supporters of all candidates as valued members of Team Trump 2024,” reads a key portion of the draft resolution.

Under current RNC rules, Trump still has to win the requisite number of nominating convention delegates—1,215—to become the party’s unchallenged presumptive nominee. After the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, Trump leads Haley in the race for delegates 32 to 17.

But passage of this resolution, possibly next week at the RNC winter meeting in Las Vegas, could begin a preemptive process of the national party working with the former president as if he had already done so. And under RNC rules, that is permissible. This resolution, even in draft form, also functions as another sign that the GOP establishment is anxious to coalesce behind Trump and put an end to a presidential primary that, after his victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, the former president looks poised to win.

See the draft resolution here. [External link to pdf omitted from transcription but still available in the linked article.]

The RNC declined to comment for this story, and the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

“Who cares what the RNC says?” Haley campaign spokeswoman Olivia Perez-Cubas said after this report was published. “We’ll let millions of Republican voters across the country decide who should be our party’s nominee, not a bunch of Washington insiders. If Ronna McDaniel wants to be helpful she can organize a debate in South Carolina, unless she’s also worried that Trump can’t handle being on the stage for 90 minutes with Nikki Haley.”
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Danoff
Just out there openly admitting they don't have an actual party anymore then.
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Right. If New Hampshire was a true landslide this could maybe be reasonable...but Trump has just 15 more delegates than Haley...out of thousands yet to pledge. I think the Trump camp is worried about open primary states because if Haley gets a sizeable amount of votes from Democratic party voters she could win them. We haven't seen the full effect of this yet (I don't think) because of Biden's write-in flub in NH meant that people actually had to vote for Biden in the dem primary and obviously NH is not an open primary.

I'll say it again though - If Trump v Biden, Round 2 is the outcome of our democratic process, then there is something deeply wrong with that process. Closed primaries that reward extreme candidates is probably the biggest culprit...we need to get rid of them. And if we are to remain stubbornly attached to the 2-party system, I would argue that Americans should (not just should be able to, they should) vote for both of those nominees and then ultimately choose between the 2 winners in the GE. You're basically choosing your conservative preference and your liberal/progressive preference and then choosing more broadly if you prefer conservative or liberal. This would require a good deal of good-faith actions though, so not sure how it would work out in the end.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
a good deal of good-faith actions though, so not sure how it would work out in the end.
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It's 2023, that doesn't exist. People are incredibly despicable these days for some reason. Zero accountability. Nobody even calls out anybody else on a personal basis because they're literally afraid of extreme retaliation. You can't flash your lights at somebody with no headlights without risking a road rage incident. Currently even the practice of Democrats going to vote in the Republican primary and vice versa strikes me as disingenuous at best but nobody bats an eye discussing it as a legitimate strategy.

But our freedom to vote probably necessarily means people are free to vote in obtuse ways. Freedom means stupidity must exist which is partly the point of authoritarian crackdowns, to eliminate the freedom to confound the system. Ultimately that never works either because when backed into a corner us humans are weasels that always find a way out of the box. A lot of Americans currently feel like they're backed into a corner.
 
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Danoff
Just out there openly admitting they don't have an actual party anymore then.
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Yeah I mean that's not new.
www.foxnews.com

GOP announces no new 2020 platform, party to 'enthusiastically support' Trump agenda

The Republican National Committee issued a resolution stating that due to constraints on the size of this year's Republican National Convention, it will not be adopting a new party platform, leaving in place the one from 2016.
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lol



Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
Keef
People are incredibly despicable these days for some reason.
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Keef
Is it wrong that so many folks don't want a bunch of rascals running around town completely outside of our legal system, unaccounted for and unaccountable? Why the hell do I have to follow the rules if they don't? They're not even citizens. It's creating a massive tragedy of the commons. Climb the fence, hang out, grab a beer, who gives a ****. Regardless, I see you aruing happily but not proposing any sort of solutions.

I'm just glad I can finally afford to not be affected by any of this. Illegal immigrants aren't a problem inside airport security.
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