2024 US Presidential Election Thread
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Yeah I mean that's not new.
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GOP announces no new 2020 platform, party to 'enthusiastically support' Trump agenda
The Republican National Committee issued a resolution stating that due to constraints on the size of this year's Republican National Convention, it will not be adopting a new party platform, leaving in place the one from 2016.www.foxnews.com
lol
Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
I never said I was immune lol. None of us are. Being petty is an easy escape mechanism and provides that instant gratification we're all addicted to.
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I remember now, this was in that article I mentioned earlier (that I have yet to look up). It said that there are a bunch of states where the delegates come based on the "winner takes all" principle and that would be Hailey's downfall, no matter how close she's be able to be to Trump.
EDIT: I did some search and here are 2 links about the delegates. From my personal perspective by the time the PA primary rolls around (4/23), there will be no reason for me to switch my registration so that I can vote on Hailey, even though technically from PA only 16 delegates go with bound votes (Trump for sure), while the other 51 are going unbound. I just don't see the maths where it would make sense. I keep an eye on the numbers though.
Who’s on track for the GOP nomination?
538 estimated how many delegates each Republican presidential candidate needs to win in each primary, caucus or convention to win the GOP nomination.
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Because those people aren't voting for anything they support, they're just casting a vote to skew the numbers. Even if their efforts to pump up Haley votes works, they were never actually going to vote for the Republican candidate in the general election anyway. They're basically just lying about their affiliation and it's dirty.
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Idiotic.
If one perceives that voting for the candidate which best represents their interests will have little to no effect, one should absolutely vote for their preferred opposition. It may even be that their preferred opposition stands a better chance against the candidate which best represents their interests than the alternative opposition.
Also an awful lot of ink is being spilled about how deeply unpopular Biden is among Democrats and how Haley is "centrist" enough to appeal to some of them, even to the extent that she may be more appealing to them than Biden is.
If one perceives that voting for the candidate which best represents their interests will have little to no effect, one should absolutely vote for their preferred opposition. It may even be that their preferred opposition stands a better chance against the candidate which best represents their interests than the alternative opposition.
Also an awful lot of ink is being spilled about how deeply unpopular Biden is among Democrats and how Haley is "centrist" enough to appeal to some of them, even to the extent that she may be more appealing to them than Biden is.
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You're simply highlighting how broken the electoral system is in the United States and what people feel they have to do to make a difference or believe that their vote can make a difference. To many, it would be harsh to label people as disingenuous when the crooked system leaves them with that as the only option.
And this is far from unique to the United States but this is the specific country and election being discussed.
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I think this view is from the wrong perspective in that you are framing it solely through the lens of the competition itself...like meta democracy.
If I feel that Donald Trump is a threat to the future of the country (he is) and one perfectly legal option to resist that is to vote for somebody else in the Republican primary, I hardly call that disingenuous. I have zero ethical qualms about it. The USA is better off picking between Haley & Biden rather than Trump & Biden. I want that outcome, and I can lend my vote to achieving it. In fact between Haley and Biden I'm not sure if I even have a strong preference. I favor Biden's policy but I don't think Haley is a terrible alternative in that I think she is mostly a decent person unlike a significant portion of GOP politicians. Admittedly, that may be naïve to think that.
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I get that perspective but the other side is going to do the exact same thing for even pettier reasons. My personal view is that Biden will beat Trump easier than Haley and that's vital because Haley is a member of a rogue party and that simply isn't acceptable. I want the Republicans to nominate the most obviously broken candidate which is Trump because he's very easy to campaign against.
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We already beat him once and most of the country had a sigh of relief that it was over. We've got several months of anxiety coming up and people who forgot are being reminded of how chaotic and disrespectful Trump is so I bet even more people will show up for Democrats.
If a similar situation arises in the future they would simply turn the tables and try to screw Democrats out of their favorite candidate.
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It's not disingenuous, it's a flaw in the system. Particularly in a two party system, where you're almost certainly voting for the least worst candidate instead of the candidate that you think most fits your own ideals.
If there's only two candidates then the idea that you should exert influence to make sure that both of them are at least people that you could tolerate as President seems fairly sensible to me. It's not like such a system is going to result in a completely non-viable Republican candidate - if the Democratic voters had that much influence then the whole election would be a shoo-in for the Democrats anyway. But they can influence the Republican candidate to be something more moderate, just as the Republicans can do with the Democratic candidates.
That seems fine as a method of trying to rein in the possibility of extremist candidates like Trump, assuming that you're having to work within the limitations of the current electoral system.
You also had riots. There was an attempt to overthrow the government. People died. I'm sure the security will be higher this time, but the Trump supporters will do the same thing again if he runs and loses.
Simply having him on the ballot is dangerous. It's dangerous if he loses, it's dangerous if he wins. And it ensures that the whole thing becomes about stopping Unhinged Grandpa instead of any legitimate political ideas.
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I have been considering changing my registration. As it stands, if I do not vote in Republican primaries, then I essentially have no say in who is going to be elected on the federal level. It is partially because the few blue areas have been gerrymandered to not be and because this state loves themselves some self hatred. Local and state level are not as bad because I live in the bluest city in Oklahoma.
The whole thing sucks though because it should be voting for who can lead best, not teams.
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I don’t know, Roosevelt did a lot of social programs that involved public projects and payment for work. Current gop and democrats seem to run a scheme especially during and after the pandemic involving payment for no service and no work….. both parties have moved more to the left. Socially everything is similar to how it was when I was growing up, violence is good sex is bad, etc. it hasn’t changed much on that front. The main thing that’s different now is how weaponized both parties have become towards each other. In sum The govt seems more about free handouts now And maybe the rich capitalists get vilified a bit more.
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What GOP are you looking at? This is the current party rejecting immigrants, student loans, wanting more work in exchange for social safety nets, sunsetting federal programs every 5 years, & even voting against free lunches for kids.
I can see your statements in regards to the Democrats, but the current Republican party has gone more right as much of it allies behind a man supporting authoritarianism.
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