2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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Anyway, aren't we simply talking about the primary elections? Which are not governed by the Feds, but by the parties and the states? Primaries aren't general elections, they don't matter legally, do they? It's just a party function as far as I'm aware, and therefore it doesn't matter what states decide to do with them. The fact that many states have caucuses and other systems is further proof of that, whereas the general election functions exaclty the same in all states because it's federally mandated.

Here's the SCOTUS Blog article about the arguments.
 
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The other NATO members will be thrilled to once again have to work with this sack of crap.
 
A suspiciously specific threat. Why Russia and not... any other non-NATO member?
 
Why Russia and not... any other non-NATO member?
In the context of the speech he was using an example where he'd (supposedly) been asked about a threat specifically from Russia.

Anyway, good to know the USA is potentially a hostile nation now.
 
In the context of the speech he was using an example where he'd (supposedly) been asked about a threat specifically from Russia.

Anyway, good to know the USA is potentially a hostile nation now.
If we elect Trump, yes I think that's a concern.
 
A suspiciously specific threat. Why Russia and not... any other non-NATO member?
At the risk of getting disappeared, I gotta be honest. Kinda surprised the CIA or some other person or organization hasn't cleaned house by now if you know what I mean. In a normal situation we'd all agree we wouldn't ever want anybody to fall out of a very high window but it's starting to seem more rational by the day. That fact is kinda scary.
 
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At the risk of getting disappeared, I gotta be honest. Kinda surprised the CIA or some other person or organization hasn't cleaned house by now if you know what I mean. In a normal situation we'd all agree we wouldn't ever want anybody to fall out of a very high window but it's starting to seem more rational by the day. That fact is kinda scary.

In the last few months I’ve been wondering the exact same thing.
 
Trump claims he's responsible for Taylor Swift's success.
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Music Modernization Act - Signed 2018

Taylor Swift, whose albums prior 2018 sold 31.5+ million copies....

However, Dina LaPolt, a key attorney behind the MMA, disputed Trump’s claims in a statement to Variety on Sunday.


“This [claim] is funny to me,” she wrote. “Trump did nothing on our legislation except sign it, and doesn’t even know what the Music Modernization Act does. Someone should ask him what the bill actually accomplished.”
 
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Trump claims he's responsible for Taylor Swift's success.
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Music Modernization Act - Signed 2018

Taylor Swift, whose albums prior 2018 sold 31.5+ million copies....


He won't know how to answer it anyways so it would be taunting a child.
 
The supreme court just finished oral arguments about Donald Trump's candidacy for 2024, and they appear to be set to rule unanimously or nearly-unanimously that Colorado cannot remove Trump from the ballot under the 14th amendment. In doing so, I believe the court is answering the wrong question. They appear to be asking whether a state has the authority to independently decide whether a candidate is eligible under the 14th amendment - as though the state can make this determination for themselves independently of any other state. As thought it is a state's right to make this determination, and this determination affects them and only them. This of course seems silly and unworkable as every state might come to a different conclusion, and a national election would be rendered impossible or unworkable.

In actuality the state of colorado appears to me to be attempting to perform its duty to interpret the constitution faithfully, just as it would in any other case. Rather than being asked whether colorado can make this determination independently, the supreme court is being asked whether colorado has interpreted the constitution correctly. Each state must constantly attempt to interpret the constitution correctly, and when it does not, the supreme court is asked to set the record straight. The question to the supreme court then is not whether colorado can interpret the 14th amendment, in fact it has a duty to interpret all constitutional amendments. The question at hand is whether it has done so correctly. That question appears to be completely absent from the supreme court's consideration of its case, and in the process, I believe they have absent-mindedly shirked their responsibilities to the nation.

They appear to be poised to leave us without the protections of the 14th amendment, tearing a hole in the constitution, and ignoring a amendment that was hard-earned.
A bit further discussion on ths:


Of course there is precedent for this because of course states are bound by the 14th amendment.
 
If we elect Trump, yes I think that's a concern.
Isn't he going to be elected, though?

I can't see Biden getting a second term, and as far as Republicans go, Trump's already got it in the bag.

I was already concerned when he was elected for his first term, but his speech seems to be even more aggressive and threatening towards anyone other than himself. When I see him giving his speeches on television, I honestly ask myself what sets him apart from Putin. Both of them are absolutely ruthless and without mercy.
 
Trump claims he's responsible for Taylor Swift's success.
loser.jpg


Music Modernization Act - Signed 2018

Taylor Swift, whose albums prior 2018 sold 31.5+ million copies....


He must think he and Taylor might still have sex. Why?
Isn't he going to be elected, though?

I can't see Biden getting a second term, and as far as Republicans go, Trump's already got it in the bag.

I was already concerned when he was elected for his first term, but his speech seems to be even more aggressive and threatening towards anyone other than himself. When I see him giving his speeches on television, I honestly ask myself what sets him apart from Putin. Both of them are absolutely ruthless and without mercy.
I don't think he's going to be elected, no. I also think the election will be less close than it was last time. More and more people just really don't want this guy to exist anymore and suddenly we're all being reminded of how terrible life was for those four dreadful years.
 
Isn't he going to be elected, though?

I can't see Biden getting a second term, and as far as Republicans go, Trump's already got it in the bag.

I was already concerned when he was elected for his first term, but his speech seems to be even more aggressive and threatening towards anyone other than himself. When I see him giving his speeches on television, I honestly ask myself what sets him apart from Putin. Both of them are absolutely ruthless and without mercy.
I'll second Keef on this. If Trump literally just kept to normal policies, he might make people forget how he acted after the 2020 election. Unfortunately (for himself), he's not able to do that.
 
Isn't he going to be elected, though?

I can't see Biden getting a second term, and as far as Republicans go, Trump's already got it in the bag.

I was already concerned when he was elected for his first term, but his speech seems to be even more aggressive and threatening towards anyone other than himself. When I see him giving his speeches on television, I honestly ask myself what sets him apart from Putin. Both of them are absolutely ruthless and without mercy.
Biden is the incumbent & has strong odds to be re-elected. Only 10 before him failed to do so, & Trump was one of them, the first since H.W. Bush in '92.
 
I don't think he's going to be elected, no. I also think the election will be less close than it was last time. More and more people just really don't want this guy to exist anymore and suddenly we're all being reminded of how terrible life was for those four dreadful years.
But... but think of how low the gas prices were!
 
You know what his supporters will say. Fake stats. Fake indictments. Trump Derangement Syndrome. But who listens to them anyway?

I can't help thinking the core of of the Fulvous Fash's support is based around deeply religious people who are convinced that birth control means killing babies. It remains to be seen whether those people outnumber the rest of the nation's voters allowing for the Republicans' tendency to put a heavy thumb on the scale thanks in part to the electoral college favouring isolated rural districts over concentrated urban enclaves.

I think a purely popular vote would result in a wider gap between red and blue numbers which is why those who benefit from the current system have a vested interest in keeping things just the way they are.
 
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Of course there is precedent for this because of course states are bound by the 14th amendment.
I'm still surprised there isn't more discussion around who at the federal level should be responsible for making the judgement of "this person is an insurrectionist and is therefore ineligible". Someone pretty clearly needs to do it, because otherwise it's on individual states to make the call and that's never going to work. 52 people couldn't decide on what to have for dinner without arguments.

At this rate he's going to be on the ballot, and that's going to be a disaster pretty much no matter how the vote turns out.
 
I'm still surprised there isn't more discussion around who at the federal level should be responsible for making the judgement of "this person is an insurrectionist and is therefore ineligible". Someone pretty clearly needs to do it, because otherwise it's on individual states to make the call and that's never going to work. 52 people couldn't decide on what to have for dinner without arguments.

At this rate he's going to be on the ballot, and that's going to be a disaster pretty much no matter how the vote turns out.
Even if he isn't on the ballot, unless he's disqualified from being president altogether, a lot of people will write him in as a candidate and willingly throw their vote away.
 
I'm still surprised there isn't more discussion around who at the federal level should be responsible for making the judgement of "this person is an insurrectionist and is therefore ineligible". Someone pretty clearly needs to do it, because otherwise it's on individual states to make the call and that's never going to work. 52 people couldn't decide on what to have for dinner without arguments.

At this rate he's going to be on the ballot, and that's going to be a disaster pretty much no matter how the vote turns out.
I think it's clear that at least one state needs to do it and the supreme court needs to review it. That's how the constitution works. So I expected that this was a SC check on government with the national court making the national decision that governs everyone.

My wife (lawyer) points out that there is a potential problem with this. Each state has slightly different laws regarding evidence and procedure for the state trial. This means that which state brings the case may have an impact on the SC ruling, and that makes a mess. I see the issue, but I think this issue is workable compared to just not having a 14th amendment.

Right now it looks like SCOTUS is going to say we just don't have a 14th amendment (in practice, no doubt they'll still claim it exists somehow, but they won't protect it). That's a travesty for any supreme court.
 
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I don't think he's going to be elected, no. I also think the election will be less close than it was last time. More and more people just really don't want this guy to exist anymore and suddenly we're all being reminded of how terrible life was for those four dreadful years.
I guess we don't get to see the full picture here on television and in the news.
If you were to believe the news in my country, you'd get the impression it would be a cakewalk for Trump.

Also, americans are depicted as total morons on the media when it comes to the elections:

"Why will you vote for Trump?"
"Because he's great, and he will make the country great again."
"So what do you believe is so great about his politics?"
"I don't know, he's just great."
 
I guess we don't get to see the full picture here on television and in the news.
If you were to believe the news in my country, you'd get the impression it would be a cakewalk for Trump.

Also, americans are depicted as total morons on the media when it comes to the elections:

"Why will you vote for Trump?"
"Because he's great, and he will make the country great again."
"So what do you believe is so great about his politics?"
"I don't know, he's just great."
Americans are total morons when it comes to elections. That's the problem. Another problem is that many votes could be meaningless depending on what state you are living in.
 
I think it's clear that at least one state needs to do it and the supreme court needs to review it. That's how the constitution works. So I expected that this was a SC check on government with the national court making the national decision that governs everyone.

My wife (lawyer) points out that there is a potential problem with this. Each state has slightly different laws regarding evidence and procedure for the state trial. This means that which state brings the case may have an impact on the SC ruling, and that makes a mess. I see the issue, but I think this issue is workable compared to just not having a 14th amendment.

Right now it looks like SCOTUS is going to say we just don't have a 14th amendment (in practice, no doubt they'll still claim it exists somehow, but they won't protect it). That's a travesty for any supreme court.
Your doctor/lawyer wife no doubt knows more about the intricacies of this legal case. But even to a casual like myself, it seems that the legal waters are waaaaaaay to murky for something like this to work. Too much untried theoretical interpretations of the law from my vantage point, for them to actually get a conviction, or the clock not too run out before the election takes place. Not to mention that the Supreme Court will no doubt run just enough interference for Trump to evade a conviction if it ever got that far.

Of course, this all doesn’t happen if they would have got a 2/3’s vote in the Senate.

Strategy-wise, I think the Democrats and Republicans know this, and are just using it for fund-raising. No doubt the January 6th insurrection will be heavily used in campaign ads against Trump. I’ll just be curious to see how well that plays to the masses. Being that people’s attention spans are getting shorter by the day, I’m not positive that the center(ish) and undecided voters are going to be willing to put January 6th ahead of their pocket books. I know the general theme of this thread has a hard time grasping that (I don’t mean this in a bad way at all), but as far as I can tell, January 6th, unless the person is really into politics, is old news. Inflation, rising energy costs (which heavily influences inflation), and affordable housing on both the rental and purchasing market seem to be what normal people are most concerned about.

^ but of course a lot of that can change if the a Democrats are good with their messaging and don’t over-play it. I think the majority of their messaging needs to focus around the economy, as people tend to vote with their wallets when inflation is making a noticeable impact on their livelihoods, standard of living, and bank accounts

What I’ll be curious to see, is what the Democrat ticket will look like. Kamala has very diplomatically marked her territory. She has ZERO plan on going anywhere
 
Your doctor/lawyer wife no doubt knows more about the intricacies of this legal case. But even to a casual like myself, it seems that the legal waters are waaaaaaay to murky for something like this to work. Too much untried theoretical interpretations of the law from my vantage point, for them to actually get a conviction, or the clock not too run out before the election takes place. Not to mention that the Supreme Court will no doubt run just enough interference for Trump to evade a conviction if it ever got that far.

Of course, this all doesn’t happen if they would have got a 2/3’s vote in the Senate.

Strategy-wise, I think the Democrats and Republicans know this, and are just using it for fund-raising. No doubt the January 6th insurrection will be heavily used in campaign ads against Trump. I’ll just be curious to see how well that plays to the masses. Being that people’s attention spans are getting shorter by the day, I’m not positive that the center(ish) and undecided voters are going to be willing to put January 6th ahead of their pocket books. I know the general theme of this thread has a hard time grasping that (I don’t mean this in a bad way at all), but as far as I can tell, January 6th, unless the person is really into politics, is old news. Inflation, rising energy costs (which heavily influences inflation), and affordable housing on both the rental and purchasing market seem to be what normal people are most concerned about.

^ but of course a lot of that can change if the a Democrats are good with their messaging and don’t over-play it. I think the majority of their messaging needs to focus around the economy, as people tend to vote with their wallets when inflation is making a noticeable impact on their livelihoods, standard of living, and bank accounts

What I’ll be curious to see, is what the Democrat ticket will look like. Kamala has very diplomatically marked her territory. She has ZERO plan on going anywhere
Insurrection and the inability to say one lost shows a lack of humility and potentially a problem if the individual is given power again. Namely, what is to say he will not push for a change in 2028 to repeal the 22nd Amendment?
 
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