2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Yard_Sale]

Insurrection and the inability to say one lost shows a lack of humility and potentially a problem if the individual is given power again. Namely, what is to say he will not push for a change in 2028 to repeal the 22nd Amendment?

I doubt your second point will happen. But I agree with your first

 

[Danoff]

Your doctor/lawyer wife no doubt knows more about the intricacies of this legal case. But even to a casual like myself, it seems that the legal waters are waaaaaaay to murky for something like this to work. Too much untried theoretical interpretations of the law from my vantage point, for them to actually get a conviction, or the clock not too run out before the election takes place. Not to mention that the Supreme Court will no doubt run just enough interference for Trump to evade a conviction if it ever got that far.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Colorado laid it out quite carefully and nicely. All the Supremes need to do acknowledge that the Colorado Supreme Court did good work and Trump is out of the race.

Of course, this all doesn’t happen if they would have got a 2/3’s vote in the Senate.

Yea, the republicans really screwed the country by refusing to stand up for the constitution... twice.

Strategy-wise, I think the Democrats and Republicans know this, and are just using it for fund-raising.

Conspiracies again. The case in Colorado was brought because it was obvious, and had been talked about for a long time. Once Trump made it clear he was running, the challenge was natural.

No doubt the January 6th insurrection will be heavily used in campaign ads against Trump. I’ll just be curious to see how well that plays to the masses. Being that people’s attention spans are getting shorter by the day, I’m not positive that the center(ish) and undecided voters are going to be willing to put January 6th ahead of their pocket books. I know the general theme of this thread has a hard time grasping that (I don’t mean this in a bad way at all), but as far as I can tell, January 6th, unless the person is really into politics, is old news. Inflation, rising energy costs (which heavily influences inflation), and affordable housing on both the rental and purchasing market seem to be what normal people are most concerned about.

You might be right that most people are more concerned about their money. Those people don't deserve to live in a country that has actual principles. Maybe shortly they won't.

 

[Keef]

I know the general theme of this thread has a hard time grasping that (I don’t mean this in a bad way at all), but as far as I can tell, January 6th, unless the person is really into politics, is old news. Inflation, rising energy costs (which heavily influences inflation), and affordable housing on both the rental and purchasing market seem to be what normal people are most concerned about.

Another part of Democratic messaging will have to be reminding people that none of this has anything to do with the president who was in office at the time. Whether they actually get that through their skulls is another question, but the fact is that Covid, global supply chain collapse, Russian war, pirate interference, and various other global issues had nothing to do with neither Trump nor Biden. And when people remember that all those issues were brewing well before Biden was in office, what they're left with is the only truly significant thing that either president has done - January 6. That makes the marketing pretty damn easy.

Edit: And if you look at a chart you'll see a general rise in inflation rate throughout Trump's presidency as well. The cause of the large 2020 rise is obvious, but the small steady rise throughout Trump's tenure was influenced by his economic policies, particularly his China policies which made trade with China that much more expensive. At the time, China was our biggest trading partner to the point where it was a necessary evil, however a shift of industries leaving China was already beginning due largely to heavy-handed policies by the Chinese government, not by Trump's economic policy. This shift out of China has been accelerating ever since, including during Biden's tenure even after the Chinese trade war ended. Trump's China policy had very little to do with this economic shift but did create small but steady inflation rate increases. Very recently, like within the past couple weeks, Mexico has surprised China as the US's largest trade partner. The shift was so long and steady that it took a further four years after Trump left office to happen and it doesn't make much sense for Trump or Biden to take any credit for that.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Another part of Democratic messaging will have to be reminding people that none of this has anything to do with the president who was in office at the time. Whether they actually get that through their skulls is another question, but the fact is that Covid, global supply chain collapse, Russian war, pirate interference, and various other global issues had nothing to do with neither Trump nor Biden. And when people remember that all those issues were brewing well before Biden was in office, what they're left with is the only truly significant thing that either president has done - January 6. That makes the marketing pretty damn easy.

Edit: And if you look at a chart you'll see a general rise in inflation rate throughout Trump's presidency as well. The cause of the large 2020 rise is obvious, but the small steady rise throughout Trump's tenure was influenced by his economic policies, particularly his China policies which made trade with China that much more expensive. At the time, China was our biggest trading partner to the point where it was a necessary evil, however a shift of industries leaving China was already beginning due largely to heavy-handed policies by the Chinese government, not by Trump's economic policy. This shift out of China has been accelerating ever since, including during Biden's tenure even after the Chinese trade war ended. Trump's China policy had very little to do with this economic shift but did create small but steady inflation rate increases. Very recently, like within the past couple weeks, Mexico has surprised China as the US's largest trade partner. The shift was so long and steady that it took a further four years after Trump left office to happen and it doesn't make much sense for Trump or Biden to take any credit for that.

Agreed with your points. But you as well as I both know…that won’t matter.


The Republicans will predictably combat the January 6th insurrection, by just sound-biting and frame-grabbing various Democratic leaders stoking the George Floyd riots as well as the anti-police movement - and they’ll circle back to how businesses were ruined and the inner cities have suffered the most from it.

The only thing as far as I can see that holds legitimacy to the Biden administration aiding the rise of inflation, was the sharp change in the BA’s energy policy which led to a sharp increase in fuel prices —-> which will then lead to rises in costs of goods and services…pretty much anything that requires either downriver or upriver use of energy.

I then think they’d try to make the connection how United States could have bailed Europe out much earlier of reliance upon Russian oil, had Trump’s energy policy still been intact.


Edit: I would also suspect that the Republicans will try to also argue the difference in COVID policy comparing Florida and California - and how the economic fall out from COVID “didn’t have to be this way”. And how the “China Lab Leak ‘conspiracy theory’” looks to be true.

- lucky for the Republicans, as with the George Floyd riots and January 6th….COVID is a distant memory too.

 

[UKMikey]

US election 2024: Putin says he prefers Joe Biden over Donald Trump in the White House - BBC News

It's a change in tune for the Russian leader, who praised Mr Trump during his first presidential run.

www.bbc.com

I can't help thinking that whoever Putin stated a preference for, it'd be used against Biden in bad faith by his Republican opponents.

If he had said Biden was bad for Russia they'd say he's damaging the US's international standing. Now that he's said he thinks Joe is better for Russia they'll accuse him of being a Russian stooge.

Of course neither of these could ever apply to Trump in their eyes.

 

[Liquid]

BBC - Trump ordered to pay $350 million

The fraud case in New York. His two sons have also been fined $4 million each.

 

[TexRex]

"There was ketchup dripping down the wall and a shattered porcelain plate on the floor."

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Donation robo-calls intensify

 

[UKMikey]

Time to buy stock in Heinz? Trump probably gets the sauce at a discount anyway since his second cousin is one of the founders...

It says here he prefers glass bottles to pour on his burgers and well done steaks for "fear of being poisoned". My guess is that he avoids plastic ones because they'd bounce off the walls when he throws them.

Cassidy Hutchinson reveals Trump’s ‘very potent fear of being poisoned’

‘He uses and prefers the small Heinz glass ketchup bottles because he likes to hear his valet or whoever is serving him his meal – he likes to hear the pop [as it opens].’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Keef]

Time to buy stock in Heinz? Trump probably gets the sauce at a discount anyway since his second cousin is one of the founders...

It says here he prefers glass bottles to pour on his burgers and well done steaks for "fear of being poisoned". My guess is that plastic ones would bounce off the walls when he throws them so he avoids them.

Cassidy Hutchinson reveals Trump’s ‘very potent fear of being poisoned’

‘He uses and prefers the small Heinz glass ketchup bottles because he likes to hear his valet or whoever is serving him his meal – he likes to hear the pop [as it opens].’

www.independent.co.uk

Evreybody knows glass ketchup bottles are classier. I too prefer glass.

 

[TB]

Ketchup sucks.

 

[UKMikey]

Evreybody knows glass ketchup bottles are classier. I too prefer glass.

They're glassier. Aside from that it pretty much tastes the same to me whatever it comes out of.

 

[TexRex]

Shake and shake the ketchup bottle, none will come and then a lot'll.

 

[Famine]

well done steaks

This should be the main campaign point for all of his opponents.

 

[UKMikey]

This should be the main campaign point for all of his opponents.

I'd wager raising the stakes like that would cause charred shoe leather slathered in ketchup to become the new "freedom fries"-style food of choice among committed patriots. Cooked on a gas stove, of course.

 

[Liquid]

charred shoe leather slathered in ketchup to become the new "freedom fries"-style food of choice among committed patriots.

Eating an old leather boot would at least make a bit of a change from licking it.

 

[Keef]

They're glassier. Aside from that it pretty much tastes the same to me whatever it comes out of.

Shake and shake the ketchup bottle, none will come and then a lot'll.

This right here. It's not about the flavor, its about gatekeeping those who can't figure out how to start and regulate flow from a glass bottle. We're talking science and engineering, here. Glass bottle master race.

 

[McLaren]

This should be the main campaign point for all of his opponents.

It really should considering a properly cooked steak is one of those things some Conservatives love to joke about to "annoy" the vegan, lib, soy boys, etc.

 

[TexRex]

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[UKMikey]

Eating an old leather boot would at least make a bit of a change from licking it.

This right here. It's not about the flavor, its about gatekeeping those who can't figure out how to start and regulate flow from a glass bottle. We're talking science and engineering, here. Glass bottle master race.

Science and engineering brought us the squeezy bottle in the first place. If you can't get the stuck dregs out of a glass bottle, though, you can always throw it against a wall and use your tongue to carefully lick the shards I guess. That's an experience that plastic can't give you.

The most efficient delivery mechanism is a sachet anyway. No inaccessible dregs there, you can squeeze nearly every last drop out of it. Everyone should have a box of sachets instead. That's true elitism, given the unit cost.

 

[McLaren]

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"We always did the right thing"

Meanwhile, 7 years ago under Eric's foundation:

Additionally, the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which has come under previous scrutiny for self-dealing and advancing the interests of its namesake rather than those of charity, apparently used the Eric Trump Foundation to funnel $100,000 in donations into revenue for the Trump Organization.

And while donors to the Eric Trump Foundation were told their money was going to help sick kids, more than $500,000 was re-donated to other charities, many of which were connected to Trump family members or interests, including at least four groups that subsequently paid to hold golf tournaments at Trump courses.

Bonus bit b/c even the kids aren't protected from Trump's personal interests.

But in 2011, things took a turn. Costs for Eric Trump's tournament jumped from $46,000 to $142,000, according to the foundation's IRS filings. Why would the price of the tournament suddenly triple in one year? "In the early years, they weren't being billed [for the club]--the bills would just disappear," says Ian Gillule, who served as membership and marketing director at Trump National Westchester during two stints from 2006 to 2015 and witnessed how Donald Trump reacted to the tournament's economics. "Mr. Trump had a cow. He flipped. He was like, 'We're donating all of this stuff, and there's no paper trail? No credit?' And he went nuts. He said, 'I don't care if it's my son or not--everybody gets billed.' "


Katrina Kaupp, who served on the board of directors at the Eric Trump Foundation in 2010 and 2011, also remembers Donald Trump insisting the charity start paying its own way, despite Eric's public claims to the contrary. "We did have to cover the expenses," she says. "The charity had grown so much that the Trump Organization couldn't absorb all of those costs anymore." The Trump Organization declined to answer detailed questions about the payments. But it seems that for the future president, who Forbes estimates is worth $3.5 billion, a freebie to help his son directly fight kids' cancer took a backseat to revenue.

How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business

Donald Trump is one of the least charitable billionaires in the world. Eric Trump is far more altruistic. In a clash of values, the president directed hundreds of thousands of dollars from his son's kids-with-cancer foundation into his company coffers.

www.forbes.com

 

[Liquid]

The judge in the case made an extremely heavy-handed point in stating that the Trumps never admit that they are ever wrong and never admit wrongdoing. It's obvious to anyone that that's true but it's down in writing in legalese as a negative character reference for the next judges to consider with the inevitable appeal the Trumps have applied for.

 

[TB]

I shouldn't be surprised that this exists but I'm still surprised that this exists.

Donate to Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment, organized by Elena Cardone

My name is Elena Cardone and I am a wife of Grant Cardone, mother and … Elena Cardone needs your support for Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment

www.gofundme.com

And there are, at present count, 887 morons that have paid into it.

 

[UKMikey]

I shouldn't be surprised that this exists but I'm still surprised that this exists.

Donate to Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment, organized by Elena Cardone

My name is Elena Cardone and I am a wife of Grant Cardone, mother and … Elena Cardone needs your support for Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment

www.gofundme.com

And there are, at present count, 887 morons that have paid into it.

Judging by the comments at least some of them paid the minimum $5 for the privilege of mocking and/or condemning Trump and his MAGA cultists.

 

[UKMikey]

Somehow I can't imagine an OANN or Newsmax presenter receiving this kind of rapturous audience reception.

Stewart points out some glaring examples of where Biden looked pretty bad while pointing out that Trump and his camp have a lot less to boast about in that department.

One of his criticisms also points to the seeming decision of Joe's PR team to replace fireside chats and TV interviews with a Superbowl halftime TikTok video. If Biden is so on point and incisive in cabinet meetings and briefings, then why not film that instead??

However his main concern, understandably, seems to be why the country has these two candidates as the only choice for president in the first place.

 

[Blitz24]

Somehow I can't imagine an OANN or Newsmax presenter receiving this kind of rapturous audience reception.

Stewart points out some glaring examples of where Biden looked pretty bad while pointing out that Trump and his camp have a lot less to boast about in that department.

One of his criticisms also points to the seeming decision of Joe's PR team to replace fireside chats and TV interviews with a Superbowl halftime TikTok video. If Biden is so on point and incisive in cabinet meetings and briefings, then why not film that instead??

However his main concern, understandably, seems to be why the country has these two candidates as the only choice for president in the first place.

Simple reason, both parties have no idea what they are doing. One is inept, the other is corrupt.

 

[Liquid]

One is inept, the other is corrupt.

One has mostly good intentions, the other is outright evil.

 

[UKMikey]

Simple reason, both parties have no idea what they are doing. One is inept, the other is corrupt.

If they both have no idea what they're doing then this would make the corrupt party inept as well.

 

[UKMikey]

Somehow I can't imagine an OANN or Newsmax presenter receiving this kind of rapturous audience reception.

Stewart points out some glaring examples of where Biden looked pretty bad while pointing out that Trump and his camp have a lot less to boast about in that department.

One of his criticisms also points to the seeming decision of Joe's PR team to replace fireside chats and TV interviews with a Superbowl halftime TikTok video. If Biden is so on point and incisive in cabinet meetings and briefings, then why not film that instead??

However his main concern, understandably, seems to be why the country has these two candidates as the only choice for president in the first place.

There's been some criticism of last week's show by commentators like Mary Trump, suggesting that focusing on how Biden's PR team could do better is "bothsidesism".

Now it's not really a hill I feel like dying on but I don't think saying "We're not suggesting neither man is vibrant, productive or capable" isn't the same as saying "We're not suggesting either man is vibrant, productive or capable". I'm parsing this clumsy double negative as "at least one of them is". His show seemed to me to be saying that it's possible for Joe to be productive and capable (ok, "vibrant" may be pushing it) but Democrats should be showing us concrete examples of this rather than just paying lip service to how great he supposedly is.

Regrettably, Jon's weak "I'm just saying what I see" and "discussing this won't lead to the end of democracy" response on the latest show is probably gonna do nothing to dispel the fears of the naysayers. He should have further clarified what he intended to say instead of simply mocking the complainants, so her gripe that he should've been more thoughtful perhaps carries some weight.

I realise this is just a sideshow when it comes to actual policy comparison of the two candidates, but I just wanted to get it off my chest.

 

[Liquid]

I just hope that Stewart is needling Biden to start with to dispell any accusation of partisanship and then attack Trump as heavily as he should be doing because democracy and the United States really are at stake.