2024 US Presidential Election Thread
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No wonder he bailed. Trump is the most dishonest President of all time.
Please, Coach, don't **** up tonight...
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Huh, seems like every problem in America is directly Kamala Harris' fault.
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Just how JD Vance is, answer no questions and shift blame to someone else.
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Just parroting his leader.
I mean, we're gonna try to say school shootings are an effect of the open border b/c it allows trafficked guns? JD should know better; the most deadly school shootings were legally purchased weapons, whether by the killers themselves, stolen from a relative, or purchased for them by someone else.
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If he wanted to defend free speech, maybe should've brought up Trump attacking 1A through saying criticizing SC judges should be imprisonment, burning the flag should be a year in jail, or that media companies should have their licenses revoked for daring to attack him.Ugh. So apparently Walz said that you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
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I thought everything was Joe Biden's fault??
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Haven't you heard? Ever since Biden dropped out, it's actually the Vice President who controls the groceries, gas, energy, trades, war, etc. policies.
It's been harped so much, I've decided to just adopt their line of reasoning & believe all of Trump's "accomplishments" are actually Pence's.
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Mostly so far I've seen discussions of Vance "winning" which is annoying because whichever politician came off more polished is not necessarily the one that "wins" voters - so they should drop the whole win/lose narrative. I've also seen discussions of Vance trying to hold on to the thoroughly debunked 2020 "stolen election" nonsense, including fact checking and cut mics. And finally I've seen commentary on them saying they agree with each other a lot - which I think is an attempt by both sides to own a centrist label.
In the end, I don't think it matters much. Vance appearing slick is probably mostly off-putting. Walz looking disappointed most of the time didn't make him super likable either. I also doubt that the voters that were targeted were even watching. So mostly this was to make campaign ads out of, which Walz probably got the better of.
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Vance is just a little better suited to stand behind a podium and be argumentative than Walz. Vance went to law school, Walz coached football. That's basically how it went in the debate too. I'm not sure how much the ability to be lawyerly in a debate is really even relevant these days. Walz is at home doing the donut buying puff piece, and Vance is at home being grilled on his lies wearing a suit.
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I guess one could argue that this is a criticism of Harris in her debate. But that's not at all how I'd characterize Harris's performance. Harris was a sharp prosecutor while Vance was playing slimy defense of a very very very guilty man.
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I guess one could argue that this is a criticism of Harris in her debate. But that's not at all how I'd characterize Harris's performance. Harris was a sharp prosecutor while Vance was playing slimy defense of a very very very guilty man.
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Honestly the most troubling thing Vance said last night was his argument for using "unused" federal land to build housing. Unused is the whole ****ing point asshole. I can tolerate years of bad administrations, down economies, civil strife...but don't dare take away our most valuable shared asset...our protected lands.
It's also a cynical idea in that it presupposes the idea that we are out of space for housing. That also drives me up the wall. We're running out of space to build conveniently-located low density suburbia in desirable areas of the country - just look how absurdly far flung DFW, Phoenix, or Denver suburbs are becoming - but we could add all the housing we need if we just densify existing urban and suburban areas instead of claiming more and more of our land for non-space suburbia. This also would provide us the opportunity to build out transit systems and get more cars off the road and generally make the United States a cleaner, better and more beautiful place to live while preserving our wild lands that actually distinguish us from Europe which has very little of that - but all of this is too woke I guess....
It's also a cynical idea in that it presupposes the idea that we are out of space for housing. That also drives me up the wall. We're running out of space to build conveniently-located low density suburbia in desirable areas of the country - just look how absurdly far flung DFW, Phoenix, or Denver suburbs are becoming - but we could add all the housing we need if we just densify existing urban and suburban areas instead of claiming more and more of our land for non-space suburbia. This also would provide us the opportunity to build out transit systems and get more cars off the road and generally make the United States a cleaner, better and more beautiful place to live while preserving our wild lands that actually distinguish us from Europe which has very little of that - but all of this is too woke I guess....
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I think the post-debate polls disagree there. Both men got a good jump in favorability & a couple outlets with featuring their undecided voters voted in favor of Walz.
Personally, I think it was more of what people expect from a Presidential debate of old. Plenty of humility & reaching across the aisle; some of that was probably JD's actual personality before Trump made him his new pawn. JD also was more polished, but his remarks on the 2020 election pretty much overshadowed anything else he said as the media has jumped on it. Walz kind of leaned into it, but he probably could've dug even more into showcasing why JD's there & Pence isn't.
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