2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[UKMikey]

MAGA: Commie Kamala is a evil coward for ducking the press!

Also MAGA:

 

[McLaren]

Trump: I'd love to do more interviews like 60 minutes, but it's so rigged and stacked.

 

[Jezza819]

MAGA: Commie Kamala is a evil coward for ducking the press!

Also MAGA:

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For somebody that "won the debate by a huuuggge margin", "so far ahead in all the polls", etc. He sure is going to extreme measures to keep out of the spotlight and avoid any possible questioning of his lunatic behavior.

 

[UKMikey]

No wonder he bailed. Trump is the most dishonest President of all time.



Please, Coach, don't **** up tonight...

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Huh, seems like every problem in America is directly Kamala Harris' fault.

 

[SandalFox]

Huh, seems like every problem in America is directly Kamala Harris' fault.

Just how JD Vance is, answer no questions and shift blame to someone else.

 

[McLaren]

Huh, seems like every problem in America is directly Kamala Harris' fault.

Just parroting his leader.

I mean, we're gonna try to say school shootings are an effect of the open border b/c it allows trafficked guns? JD should know better; the most deadly school shootings were legally purchased weapons, whether by the killers themselves, stolen from a relative, or purchased for them by someone else.

 

[UKMikey]

This bottom tweet was the crux of the debate for me:



Tim looks apoplectic.

 

[TexRex]

Ugh. So apparently Walz said that you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

 

[McLaren]

Ugh. So apparently Walz said that you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

If he wanted to defend free speech, maybe should've brought up Trump attacking 1A through saying criticizing SC judges should be imprisonment, burning the flag should be a year in jail, or that media companies should have their licenses revoked for daring to attack him.

 

[UKMikey]

If he wanted to defend free speech, maybe should've brought up Trump attacking 1A through saying criticizing SC judges should be imprisonment, burning the flag should be a year in jail, or that media companies should have their licenses revoked for daring to attack him.

Jon Stewart specifically brought this one up as he even threatened late night comedians who criticised him. Walz should've mentioned all of this.

 

[Liquid]

Huh, seems like every problem in America is directly Kamala Harris' fault.

I thought everything was Joe Biden's fault??

 

[Spacegoat]

I thought everything was Joe Biden's fault??

Or Obama's before that.

 

[McLaren]

I thought everything was Joe Biden's fault??

Haven't you heard? Ever since Biden dropped out, it's actually the Vice President who controls the groceries, gas, energy, trades, war, etc. policies.

It's been harped so much, I've decided to just adopt their line of reasoning & believe all of Trump's "accomplishments" are actually Pence's.

 

[Meythia]

believe all of Trump's "accomplishments" are actually Pence's.

Isnt this the case, except for the executive orders with POTUS stamp on it?

 

[Famine]

This bottom tweet was the crux of the debate for me:

For me it was "the rules were you guys weren't going to fact-check"

 

[UKMikey]

For me it was "the rules were you guys weren't going to fact-check"

I stopped listening to that bit when he ranted on so long they yanked the mike on him. He sounded hellbent on unilaterally declaring TPS illegal to shore up his one-note immigrants-bad narrative.

 

[UKMikey]

Trump reclassifies traumatic brain injury as a headache:

 

[Liquid]

He sure is getting ready to pander for clemency based on diminished responsibility.

 

[UKMikey]

He sure is getting ready to pander for clemency based on diminished responsibility.

He could always try pleading inanity.

 

[Danoff]

Vance is a tool, and Walz is a good guy. But I think Vance and Walz will both keep it relatively tame. I think Vance can do a better job of staying on point than Trump, and Walz will not be anywhere near as adept as Kamala. Walz is a governor and teacher, but Kamala was a prosecutor. So I think it ends up much more even than Trump v. Harris.

I've definitely seen Walz get tripped up during speeches, and headlines are saying that he's already nervous. Vance is not going to come off as a human, but better than Trump almost for sure.

All of that being said, there is a huge difference between the two in terms of how relatable, genuine, and honest they are. So maybe Walz can just come off super friendly.

Walz didn't come off super friendly. I think that's about all I missed on.

 

[UKMikey]

Walz didn't come off super friendly. I think that's about all I missed on.

I thought it was notable how he went from this during Vance's vacillation:



... to the friendly uncle of his practised closing speech which I guess he's expecting the news media to broadcast in isolation so people don't notice the change.

 

[Danoff]

I thought it was notable how he went from this during Vance's vacillation:

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... to the friendly uncle of his practised closing speech which I guess he's expecting the news media to broadcast in isolation so people don't notice the change.

Mostly so far I've seen discussions of Vance "winning" which is annoying because whichever politician came off more polished is not necessarily the one that "wins" voters - so they should drop the whole win/lose narrative. I've also seen discussions of Vance trying to hold on to the thoroughly debunked 2020 "stolen election" nonsense, including fact checking and cut mics. And finally I've seen commentary on them saying they agree with each other a lot - which I think is an attempt by both sides to own a centrist label.

In the end, I don't think it matters much. Vance appearing slick is probably mostly off-putting. Walz looking disappointed most of the time didn't make him super likable either. I also doubt that the voters that were targeted were even watching. So mostly this was to make campaign ads out of, which Walz probably got the better of.

 

[GBO Possum]

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No wonder he bailed. Trump is the most dishonest President of all time.



Please, Coach, don't **** up tonight...

Also, on the subject of fact-checking, here's Vance complaining about being caught out in a lie.

He thought the rules of the debate allowed him to lie without being challenged. And also allowed him to talk over women.

 

[Danoff]

Vance is just a little better suited to stand behind a podium and be argumentative than Walz. Vance went to law school, Walz coached football. That's basically how it went in the debate too. I'm not sure how much the ability to be lawyerly in a debate is really even relevant these days. Walz is at home doing the donut buying puff piece, and Vance is at home being grilled on his lies wearing a suit.

Edit:

I guess one could argue that this is a criticism of Harris in her debate. But that's not at all how I'd characterize Harris's performance. Harris was a sharp prosecutor while Vance was playing slimy defense of a very very very guilty man.

 

[TexRex]

lol

 

[UKMikey]

Mostly so far I've seen discussions of Vance "winning" which is annoying because whichever politician came off more polished is not necessarily the one that "wins" voters - so they should drop the whole win/lose narrative.

It's easy to propagandise based on visuals alone. "We don't want you to watch so here's a funny pic." Turning the sound up revealed a different story to me and I guess also to a number of poll respondents.