2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Duke]

It's interesting that these two aren't equivalent though.

Anyone besides him will do vs. Nobody but him will do

One of those positions is way more reasonable than the other. The "nobody but him will do" crowd doesn't care what dear leader does, or anyone else does, they're already dug 6 feet in.

You're absolutely correct that they are not equivalent to a reasonable person. But Trump supporters are not reasonable people. They may - and most often do - think they are, but they are not. Arguing with a Trump supporter immediately devolves to them effectively saying "I know you are, but what am I?" but not in those words. As soon as you make any criticism of him, they start screaming "TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME!" and accuse you of being brainwashed...

But it's still better to avoid playing into their false equivalency, because that just proves them even righter in their own minds.

 

[UKMikey]

I think that's the reason why Dems should and hopefully do concentrate their efforts on trying to convince non-cultists by being as truthful as they can. It shouldn't matter whether MAGAs are a lost cause or not if they don't make up a majority of voters in any given constituency.

 

[Danoff]

Some folks are pointing out that Trump doesn't seem to be trying very hard to win. Some are even saying they think he might want to lose (I remember hearing this in 2016 and 2020). I think it's evidence that he has a backup plan.

He said in 2020 that you'll need the conservative supreme court to decide the election, right before he sent a mob to kill the rest of the US government. I'm sure the supreme court is still on his mind.

 

[Blitz24]

Some folks are pointing out that Trump doesn't seem to be trying to win very hard. Some are even saying they think he might want to lose. I think it's evidence that he has a backup plan.

His backup plan is probably to do what he did in 2020. However, this time, he may have enough support through a compromised voting official system.

 

[UKMikey]

White man speaks with forked tongue:

 

[McLaren]

"I think Trump has raised a number of issues..."

And nearly all 70 of said cases about those issues said, "Piss off with this".

 

[Blitz24]

I see Vance may have been using a burner here to argue for Trump, apparently, based on how he avoids answering questions.

He kept not answering the question until he stupidly gave the answer to the question based on his rhetoric.

 

[UKMikey]

I see Vance may have been using a burner here to argue for Trump, apparently, based on how he avoids answering questions.

He kept not answering the question until he stupidly gave the answer to the question based on his rhetoric.

Vance: "No, I didn't!"

 

[Famine]

Did you threaten to overrule him?

 

[HenrySwanson]

Was a similar exchange with Starmer on LBC over the Sue Gray debacle.

 

[Darla Starch]

Donny with a big brain moment

 

[Keef]

Donny with a big brain moment

There is a not-insignificant sect of white Americans who think black Americans want to be enslaved. This sect is convinced that it brought more order and safety and purpose to their lives, as opposed to living on welfare, which of course they all do, and apparently they all know this in their hearts but don't dare speak of it out of place.

 

[UKMikey]

There is a not-insignificant sect of white Americans who think black Americans want to be enslaved. This sect is convinced that it brought more order and safety and purpose to their lives, as opposed to living on welfare, which of course they all do, and apparently they all know this in their hearts but don't dare speak of it out of place.

"Yeah, but but Democrats are the party of slavery..."

More forked tongue.

 

[Danoff]

Trump is in Aurora CO talking about what a cesspool he thinks it is. It's not far from me, maybe 40 minutes drive. Aurora is a very mixed community with some upscale developments and some poor areas. We didn't need or want Trump to come here, he's not helping, it's not a problem, I'm sure we'd all be better of if he just went away.

I haven't spent a ton of time in Aurora, but I have a few friends there, and I've met with them in the area to do various things. Parts of it are nice, parts of it are a little under served. It's not over run with crime or migrants. I don't think Trump's lies about it are going to help the city at all, and I hate that we have our own little springfield ohio of lies right near me.

Please tell me we can rid ourselves of the orange liar.

 

[HenrySwanson]

 

[Danoff]

Some folks are pointing out that Trump doesn't seem to be trying very hard to win. Some are even saying they think he might want to lose (I remember hearing this in 2016 and 2020). I think it's evidence that he has a backup plan.

He said in 2020 that you'll need the conservative supreme court to decide the election, right before he sent a mob to kill the rest of the US government. I'm sure the supreme court is still on his mind.

...right on cue.

Damning Video Shows Roger Stone Is Plotting a Coup for November

The Donald Trump ally has some sick plans for a potential Republican victory.

newrepublic.com

 

[Jezza819]

"Yeah, but but Democrats are the party of slavery..."

More forked tongue.

The way I've always handled this is I ask them to forget the R and D labels and think in terms of Conservative and Liberal.

 

[McLaren]

Trump is in Aurora CO talking about what a cesspool he thinks it is. It's not far from me, maybe 40 minutes drive. Aurora is a very mixed community with some upscale developments and some poor areas. We didn't need or want Trump to come here, he's not helping, it's not a problem, I'm sure we'd all be better of if he just went away.

I haven't spent a ton of time in Aurora, but I have a few friends there, and I've met with them in the area to do various things. Parts of it are nice, parts of it are a little under served. It's not over run with crime or migrants. I don't think Trump's lies about it are going to help the city at all, and I hate that we have our own little springfield ohio of lies right near me.

Please tell me we can rid ourselves of the orange liar.

Pulled a similar statement in Detroit. "If she wins, the rest of the country will look like Detroit".

But, it's not surprising. The "most American" dude ever just runs a campaign on how **** America is everywhere & only he can save it and the world.

 

[Joey D]

"If she wins, the rest of the country will look like Detroit".

So that means the rest of the country is going to have good sports teams, excellent pizza, proper coney dogs, fantastic museums, a RoboCop statue, and a robust car culture?

Only Boomer idiots still think Detroit is a hell hole. Compared to even ten years ago, Detroit has come a long way. It used to be number one in everything you didn't want to be number one in. Now it's moving down the list. The city still has issues, but it's moving in the right direction. As our sports teams do better and draw people down to Detroit, fewer crimes happen because the people there don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. White people from the suburbs coming to pay $50 on parking, hundreds on food and alcohol, and then blow thousands in the casinos is what you want and those people won't come if they feel like they're going to be murdered.

The best example is the latest NFL Draft. They had zero issues and drew 775k people to the city to boo Roger Goodell. If Detroit was the hell-hole boomer idiots think it is, then the draft would've looked more like the Kansas City Super Bowl parade.

I mean, in a way I get it. People who remember Detroit in the 60s and see it today notice the glaring differences. The riots of '67 kind of cemented the idea in older people's heads that Detroit is terrible. Even those of us in our 30s remember when Detroit had an actual murderer for a mayor. But if you look at where the city was and where it's going, it's hard not to get excited about Detroit's rebirth.

Trump's comments played right into the hands of the middle-class, white, suburbanites who think all blacks in the city of Detroit will straight-up kill them.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

So that means the rest of the country is going to have good sports teams, excellent pizza, proper coney dogs, fantastic museums, a RoboCop statue, and a robust car culture?

Only Boomer idiots still think Detroit is a hell hole. Compared to even ten years ago, Detroit has come a long way. It used to be number one in everything you didn't want to be number one in. Now it's moving down the list. The city still has issues, but it's moving in the right direction. As our sports teams do better and draw people down to Detroit, fewer crimes happen because the people there don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. White people from the suburbs coming to pay $50 on parking, hundreds on food and alcohol, and then blow thousands in the casinos is what you want and those people won't come if they feel like they're going to be murdered.

The best example is the latest NFL Draft. They had zero issues and drew 775k people to the city to boo Roger Goodell. If Detroit was the hell-hole boomer idiots think it is, then the draft would've looked more like the Kansas City Super Bowl parade.

I mean, in a way I get it. People who remember Detroit in the 60s and see it today notice the glaring differences. The riots of '67 kind of cemented the idea in older people's heads that Detroit is terrible. Even those of us in our 30s remember when Detroit had an actual murderer for a mayor. But if you look at where the city was and where it's going, it's hard not to get excited about Detroit's rebirth.

Trump's comments played right into the hands of the middle-class, white, suburbanites who think all blacks in the city of Detroit will straight-up kill them.

Detroit Hustles Harder.