2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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Would you want Harris running your country I don't want her running mine?
Over Donald Drumpf? Emphatically yes. I'd prefer, nay, want a disease-ridden animal running the country before I ever elected that dementia-ridden, misogynistic, pedophiliac anywhere near any sort of profound decision that can affect myself and others.

Remember COVID? Remember the utterly unsettling number of American peoples that died under his blundering dumbass eye?

We're talking about someone that wants to abolish the Department of Education (not that he'll ever succeed) and that in and of itself sounds like the dystopian future none too removed from Fahrenheit 451. The fact you're championing someone so painfully and ruthlessly idiotic — you know what? I won't go to that length with you, as much as I really, really want to.

Suffice to say, I'd prefer a toilet turd over that idiot. Ipso facto.
 
I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would choose Trump's personality over Harris's.

One commentator on the BBC said that Trump, despite being megarich and privileged his whole life, managed to successfully portray himself as an "Everyman" and that allows him to both connect with regular people, and to distance himself from the political elite. I think that's correct, but it is deeply worrying on two counts... 1. If that's what an 'everyman' in America really is, then the US is screwed. And 2. Trump seeks nothing more than to be the absolute political elite - an autocratic dictator who answers to no-one... especially the voting public. The fact that tens of millions of US voters can't see the obvious problem with that is mindblowing.

Trump's success relies upon convincing people to vote against their own interests, but that requires a level of dishonesty and disingenuousness that hasn't been seen before in US politics, but unfortunately Trump is made for that role. By fully embracing a culture of disinformation, lying, criminality, violence and downright thuggery, Trump has managed to convince tens of millions of people that he will make their lives 'great again'. The truth is likely to be far uglier than that.
Trump is very charismatic and able to convince people that he is not an insider and an everyman when he is the epitome of an insider. He is a good actor just like Reagan was.
 
Over Donald Drumpf? Emphatically yes. I'd prefer, nay, want a disease-ridden animal running the country before I ever elected that dementia-ridden, misogynistic, pedophiliac anywhere near any sort of profound decision that can affect myself and others.

Remember COVID? Remember the utterly unsettling number of American peoples that died under his blundering dumbass eye?

We're talking about someone that wants to abolish the Department of Education (not that he'll ever succeed) and that in and of itself sounds like the dystopian future none too removed from Fahrenheit 451. The fact you're championing someone so painfully and ruthlessly idiotic — you know what? I won't go to that length with you, as much as I really, really want to.

Suffice to say, I'd prefer a toilet turd over that idiot. Ipso facto.
Just please stay above the Mason-Dixon line I don't want you anywhere outside of NY OK you can go to California with the other craziness
 
Trump's success relies upon convincing people to vote against their own interests, but that requires a level of dishonesty and disingenuousness that hasn't been seen before in US politics, but unfortunately Trump is made for that role. By fully embracing a culture of disinformation, lying, criminality, violence and downright thuggery, Trump has managed to convince tens of millions of people that he will make their lives 'great again'.
Don't forget the Palestinian lives he's going to improve, too.
 
It's actually a majority of a bar on a graph, and "majority" isn't particularly meaningful when the differential on that bar is just eight points.

What, specifically, does the bar represent? I'd wager it's a simple "voted for this or that," in which case it doesn't represent Gen X as a demographic, rather it represents Gen X who voted in a particular election...a meaningfully smaller demographic and, again, just barely half of it.

Not a collective viewpoint, if only because the collective is composed of disparate enough elements. But it's certainly not a collective viewpoint because I'd wager that the bar represents a simple "voted for this or that" and does not go into the factors that drive the choice. And again, it's still just barely half of those in said collective that voted one way rather than the other.

This is just you attributing to barely half of those of a particular age who voted one particular way your own viewpoint; pure fantasy.

This would be more persuasive, though still not accurate, coming from one who hadn't just cried like a little bitch about "demonization." As ever, the "**** your feelings" crowd is very concerned about their own feelings.
LOL I never cried about anything.

I'll give you $1000 right now if you show me where I "cried like a little bitch" about being demonized by Democrats or anything else.

You can't, because you're obviously just gas lighting. It's right there in orange and white. I get it, you're pissed off, but don't take out your frustrations on me.

I said that demonizing half of the country is not a good strategy by the Dems. They did that and lost but I don't think that's why they lost. I think it's mainly because of their economic policies. Not what they say, but what they actually do. They are are all professional liars, on both sides.

I bet most people voting for Trump don't personally like the guy either. They just want something different than the past four years, mainly in economic policies and he was their only other viable choice. They voted for Trump in spite of Trump's personality, not because of it. Most probably didn't vote for Trump, but voted against Kamala and what she represents. And of course he was already President for four years and we did just fine back then so people see through the Dem's demonetization of him and anyone that votes for him or supports him. Calling people N*zis, etc.. It's ridiculous.

I personally think most people with any real power in governments everywhere around the world including in the US are corrupt psychopaths and I'm 100% skeptical of all of them, "left" or "right", Republican or Democrat (in the US). Anyone that isn't skeptical of these psychos on both sides needs to step back and take a look at what they actually do, not what they say or what they say they'll do which are usually very different things.

My post was just about pointing out why I think people voted the way they did. It's the economy stupid. Of course there are other factors, but the economy is the main one for most people here in the US. Would you like to see another chart? Well tough, go look it up yourself. 😆 People are sick and tired of being taxed to death and seeing their money devalued and wasted by the government.

But this thread is seriously toxic AF. There's absolutely nothing constructive happening in here and I don't feel like wasting my precious time arguing with people on the internet! You should all just calm the **** down, seriously.

Peace out ✌
 
Then it’s probably because you are projecting Swedish living standards onto the not so wealthy states of America. Most states favoured Trump, and it’s unreasonable to write the majority off as being out of their mind.
Fine, as a moderately well off American who rarely votes Democrat and who is more conservative than not, I'm here to tell you Trump is garbage and his policies will sink the nation. His economic policies are rooted in being ignorant with how the economy actually works. Ignorant people think his policies are good but anyone who paid attention in a high school econ class should be able to see that his economic policy is going to make things more expensive for everyone.
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I bet most people voting for Trump don't personally like the guy either. They just want something different than the past four years, mainly in economic policies and he was their only other viable choice. They voted for Trump in spite of Trump's personality, not because of it.
If you voted for Trump because of his economic policy, you're ignorant. There's no way around that. You're ignorant regarding what makes the economy function and you're ignorant to what will happen regarding tariffs. That's not being toxic, that's just stating the truth. Only someone with the mental capacity of a turnip would think raising the cost of production would lower prices for the consumer.
 
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LOL I never cried about anything.

I'll give you $1000 right now if you show me where I "cried like a little bitch" about being demonized by Democrats or anything else.

You can't, because you're obviously just gas lighting. It's right there in orange and white. I get it, you're pissed off, but don't take out your frustrations on me.

I said that demonizing half of the country is not a good strategy by the Dems. They did that and lost but I don't think that's why they lost. I think it's mainly because of their economic policies. Not what they say, but what they actually do. They are are all professional liars, on both sides.

I bet most people voting for Trump don't personally like the guy either. They just want something different than the past four years, mainly in economic policies and he was their only other viable choice. They voted for Trump in spite of Trump's personality, not because of it. Most probably didn't vote for Trump, but voted against Kamala and what she represents. And of course he was already President for four years and we did just fine back then so people see through the Dem's demonetization of him and anyone that votes for him or supports him. Calling people N*zis, etc.. It's ridiculous.

I personally think most people with any real power in governments everywhere around the world including in the US are corrupt psychopaths and I'm 100% skeptical of all of them, "left" or "right", Republican or Democrat (in the US). Anyone that isn't skeptical of these psychos on both sides needs to step back and take a look at what they actually do, not what they say or what they say they'll do which are usually very different things.

My post was just about pointing out why I think people voted the way they did. It's the economy stupid. Of course there are other factors, but the economy is the main one for most people here in the US. Would you like to see another chart? Well tough, go look it up yourself. 😆 People are sick and tired of being taxed to death and seeing their money devalued and wasted by the government.

But this thread is seriously toxic AF. There's absolutely nothing constructive happening in here and I don't feel like wasting my precious time arguing with people on the internet! You should all just calm the **** down, seriously.

Peace out ✌
I would love to hear how the fact that economy under Biden achieved soft landing and basically managed the impossible is a bad thing.

Also, does trump “says it like it is” or we shouldn’t listen to anything he says? Cause if his plan is tariffs, then it’s the worst ****ing plan. If it’s not tariffs, then does he even have a clue what to do?

Anyway, trump is technically a fascist, if you don’t wanna call him a nazi. He said so himself pretty much. Oh…we shouldn’t listen to the man who says it like it is, right?
 
If you voted for Trump because of his economic policy, you're ignorant. There's no way around that. You're ignorant regarding what makes the economy function and you're ignorant to what will happen regarding tariffs. That's not being toxic, that's just stating the truth. Only someone with the mental capacity of a turnip would think raising the cost of production would lower prices for the consumer.
Extremely arrogant. It's your opinion, millions of others feel differently. It's just insult after insult from the democrats after this loss. I guess you're all hurting bad after that monstrous loss. I feel for ya
 
millions of others feel differently
Piss babies and their feels.

Edit: There's an argument that tariffs are good for the country, stupid and unreconcileable with the past as it is, but there simply is no argument that tariffs don't make things more expensive. That's the whole point of tariffs. Make imports more costly to hurt foreign competition. But quite often foreign competition is actually a foreign supplier and there isn't a domestic supplier even if there's domestic production. Yes, goods produced domestically using imported inputs subject to tariffs get more expensive as a result. People need to stop being stupid, though I don't expect them to.
 
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Extremely arrogant. It's your opinion, millions of others feel differently. It's just insult after insult from the democrats after this loss. I guess you're all hurting bad after that monstrous loss. I feel for ya
Here's the thing. I'm not a Democrat nor am I liberal. I'm incredibly conservative overall. It took a ton of convincing for me to actually vote for Harris over someone who I thought should do the job. I hate the Democrat's platform and think it's awful. But Trump's economic plan was so bad that I had to vote against him.

But it's not arrogant. It's a fact. If you increase the cost of production of goods (ie tariffs) that cost will be past onto the consumer. It's not that hard and the people that don't understand it are ignorant to how the economy works. They might be smart people, but when it comes to even a basic understanding of the economy they're functionally stupid.
 
Oh no, ye of the "**** your feelings" set going all piss baby.

I'm not a leftist.
You are to him because, to people who think like that, you're either with them or you're the enemy. "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" and all that.

Extremely arrogant. It's your opinion, millions of others feel differently. It's just insult after insult from the democrats after this loss. I guess you're all hurting bad after that monstrous loss. I feel for ya
But when Trump does it to his "enemies," it's cool, right? What is it he says? Sleepy Joe, right? Crazy Kamala? Does Trump get a pass for insults because he's your guy?
 
Fine, as a moderately well off American who rarely votes Democrat and who is more conservative than not, I'm here to tell you Trump is garbage and his policies will sink the nation. His economic policies are rooted in being ignorant with how the economy actually works. Ignorant people think his policies are good but anyone who paid attention in a high school econ class should be able to see that his economic policy is going to make things more expensive for everyone.

If you voted for Trump because of his economic policy, you're ignorant. There's no way around that. You're ignorant regarding what makes the economy function and you're ignorant to what will happen regarding tariffs. That's not being toxic, that's just stating the truth. Only someone with the mental capacity of a turnip would think raising the cost of production would lower prices for the consumer.
💩 Here's you one back at you just because we don't agree with your warped thinking doesn't make us ignorant
 
💩 Here's you one back at you just because we don't agree with your warped thinking doesn't make us ignorant
Said the individual that told the African-American to, and I quote, verbatim:
Just please stay above the Mason-Dixon line I don't want you anywhere outside of NY OK you can go to California with the other craziness
And it's Joey that has the warped thinking?
 
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They are are all professional liars, on both sides.

I personally think most people with any real power in governments everywhere around the world including in the US are corrupt psychopaths and I'm 100% skeptical of all of them, "left" or "right", Republican or Democrat (in the US). Anyone that isn't skeptical of these psychos on both sides needs to step back and take a look at what they actually do, not what they say or what they say they'll do which are usually very different things.

Yeah Trump is pretty bad in what he says and does. And has a pretty big edge on being a liar.
 
💩 Here's you one back at you just because we don't agree with your warped thinking doesn't make us ignorant
It does. You're under the impression that increasing the cost of production to goods is going to make goods somehow cheaper? That's about as ignorant as you can be regarding how the economy works.

Also, you think about the reproductive systems of certain members family members. You're not just ignorant, but vile and disgusting. The FBI should look at your hard drive because it takes a certain kind of person to even fathom thinking about that.
 
I would love to hear how the fact that economy under Biden achieved soft landing and basically managed the impossible is a bad thing.

Also, does trump “says it like it is” or we shouldn’t listen to anything he says? Cause if his plan is tariffs, then it’s the worst ****ing plan. If it’s not tariffs, then does he even have a clue what to do?

Anyway, trump is technically a fascist, if you don’t wanna call him a nazi. He said so himself pretty much. Oh…we shouldn’t listen to the man who says it like it is, right?
I bet you would like to hear that. 😆

"But this thread is seriously toxic AF. There's absolutely nothing constructive happening in here and I don't feel like wasting my precious time arguing with people on the internet! You should all just calm the **** down, seriously.

Peace out ✌"
 
I'm definitely not a Democrat and I want to remain independent of a party because I believe neither one represents what I believe so I will vote on what the individual candidate brings to the table. That being said, I knew a few months ago I was either voting for Biden or Harris, knowing full well my family would be unhappy if they found out I did. I could not bring myself to vote for a convicted felon and someone who cannot even admit he was wrong (or lost - he still hasn't publicly conceded the election).
 
OK go ahead and give us your top 100 list on this since thats what you do!
My top 100 list of what? When have I done that?

Are you going to engage with any post with any substance at all, or are you just going to carry on avoiding all questions with dimwitted one-liners and practically open racism?

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And of course he was already President for four years and we did just fine back then
You were racking up one 9/11 every day at one point. Every single one of the top 20 days of highest deaths in the USA (except, I think, the Galveston hurricane of 1900; definitely all in the last century) came under the Trump White House.

Edit: I just checked; there were seven nine days in the top 20 within the three weeks following the inauguration, so technically seven nine of the top 20 were under the Biden White House (inauguration day itself being #3, the next day being #13, and the day after that being #9). Given the nature of the pandemic and how diseases propagate, it doesn't seem apt to call these Biden deaths; similarly any positives in the first month shouldn't be credited to Biden either - no policy enacted on day one could have had any effect inside at least two weeks, because those dying were already infected.

Nonetheless, December 2020 and January 2021 were the deadliest months of the pandemic - coinciding with Trump's lame-duck period...

How is that fine?

It's just insult after insult from the democrats after this loss.
It's like... you don't remember what happened after Trump's loss in 2020-2021.
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But this thread is seriously toxic AF. There's absolutely nothing constructive happening in here and I don't feel like wasting my precious time arguing with people on the internet! You should all just calm the **** down, seriously.

Peace out ✌
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I bet you would like to hear that. 😆

I saw somebody comment that the USA had a chance to tell girls that they can be whoever they want to be. Instead they told boys that they can do whatever they want to do.

I can't say Harris enthused me all that much, but that sure seems to sum it up.
 
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LOL I never cried about anything.
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I said that demonizing half of the country is not a good strategy by the Dems.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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You can't, because you're obviously just gas lighting.
I'm...I'm this?

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Er, no.

Did you mean to say that I'm gaslighting you? Well, no, that's not right either. I suspect you saw that used incorrectly and you're just parroting it. I think what you meant is that I'm lying, but still, no, see above. Try to rationalize it all you want but it reads to me as you crying.

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My post was just about pointing out why I think people voted the way they did. It's the economy stupid.
There are ways to do that. The way you chose, which was to refer to a particular broad demographic (those born within a range of years) of which I'm a part, and a purported attitude that that broad demographic has though I don't, and to substantiate that you cited a bar that shows 53% of those in that broad demographic who voted one way, without any indication of motives, compared to 45% of those in that broad demographic who voted another way, motivation again not considered...was bizarre and not at all persuasive.

"It's the economy stupid" misses the mark as well. It's more reasonable to say it was about grocery prices, which aren't the best reflection of how the economy is doing. People clearly don't understand grocery prices either, I mean imagine
thinking an item shouldn't increase in price by fifty cents in the store when inflation only accounts for a ten cent item price increase.
 
Then it’s probably because you are projecting Swedish living standards onto the not so wealthy states of America. Most states favoured Trump, and it’s unreasonable to write the majority off as being out of their mind.
Why? I write the majority of Sweden's population off as being out of their mind as well. We currently have a conservative right government, because all people care about apparently are gas prices and tax cuts, and they think immigrants are to blame for every problem we have. Sure, our living standards are still ok I guess, but not for long I'm afraid.

Also, I think it's safe to say that the majority of Germans were out of their mind in the late 1930's, early 1940's.
 
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