2nd GTPlanet Formula 1 World Championship (Finished - Season Over!)

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Yeah, Merry Christmas to all. I hope you all have fun and have some good relaxation time. I'll see you all in the new year for another sintilizing action packed GP (hopefully this time I do a lot better :D lol)

Edit: Also, when can we expect to know the conditions and the date of the next race?
 
Yep fraid so.

Ah well.. was not such a good performance on my part, anyway. No wrecks with others, just spins on my own. I showed up since there were only 6 people there at 5 minutes to race start. I had asked if I should leave after a few others showed up, but I suppose it was overlooked. Sorry for my intrusion.. just happened to be online at the time.
 
Well the start was interesting i got passed before i got in 3rd gear guess formulanone didnt get msg about no passing looool

Nah, I got the message. I just figured, according to this map and my memory, I passed you as we were heading out of turn 3 on to the first straight. A misinterpritation, perhaps, but I got the message. :)

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Water under the bridge, though.
 
Ardius, why don't you just join Williams or Jaguar? So what if you can only make it for a few rounds, we don't have many takers for the race seats. Also, where Was LewyOs?
 
Yes that was an oversight it will be corrected next race. Thanks for noticing

Another thought on the NTSC race: I think in total we had a pretty good race,except for the T1 embarrassment & a couple of other shunts it was in all pretty fair.

Its just an embarassment that we cant seem to start a race without a T1 smash. Seems that at start its sorta like a Tidal Wave the back of the pack does'nt slow for turn 1 and front cars get washed away. In last nights race I started in P2 I Think Benoni2 was in P1 when lights went out seems he just delayed I shot past him ,then`I remembered not to pass so I backed off still he didnt pass me. I hit my braking point as normal then WHAM from behind . We all just need to be VERY mindful of the hazards of the start.

I Also want to wish all a Merry Christmas Lets take a few days away from the track & all come back the better for it.

DaddyVDUB, I was P3 so I saw you next to Benoni2 on the start. I was racing carefully to not hit anybody, but that didn't stop me from getting hit from behind. My car got wrecked. On the restart, I was P18. Pass a few AIs and landed P7. There is not much we can do to avoid crashes on T1, it will happen on T2 or T3. It's a matter of learning that when you are behind someone, and there is not chances for overtaking, you have to touch the brakes a bit early to avoid contact. I ran a few laps bumper to bumper behind FormulaNone without contact until I overtook him on T2. My opinion.-
 
DaddyVDUB, I was P3 so I saw you next to Benoni2 on the start. I was racing carefully to not hit anybody, but that didn't stop me from getting hit from behind. My car got wrecked. On the restart, I was P18. Pass a few AIs and landed P7. There is not much we can do to avoid crashes on T1, it will happen on T2 or T3. It's a matter of learning that when you are behind someone, and there is not chances for overtaking, you have to touch the brakes a bit early to avoid contact. I ran a few laps bumper to bumper behind FormulaNone without contact until I overtook him on T2. My opinion.-



Agreed, when I was chasing GT4genius I went on the brakes early to avoid contact. I still ended up punting him due to the lag bubble I think, and this is something people have gotta watch out for. If anyone does cause an accident, they should always wait for the car they've hit to pass them.
 
All drivers involved :

If at all possible , please let someone know if you cannot make a race , so we can take alternative actions for this scenario.

Also, something else that got tossed to me , races will begin at the top of the hour.
NO MORE LATE STARTS, THAT IS WHY WE ASK THAT ALL INVOLVED PLEASE REPORT IN EARLY.ROOM WILL OPEN A 1/2 HOUR EARLY AS POSTED BEFORE.PLEASE KEEP IN MIND TO REFER TO PAGE 1 OF THIS THREAD POSTED BY ARDIUS TO KEEP INFORMED OF WHAT IS GOING ON.

THANKS ALL 👍

I had to use the late join option. But I was in the room, then I got kicked as it went to load quali. Was I wrong in getting back in?

Also I don't see the problem with running a full grid if there are only 11 'real' racers, it shouldn't cause any more lag. The 11 AI drivers definitely helped with having people to race when you're back in the pack.

I don't know what we can do, but I think it should be T2 before any passing can take place, however, by the looks of it, some people are either very slow off the line, or brake early for T1. There's really nothing we can do about that.

I am guessing the next race will be Jan 4th at Malaysia?
 
Edit: Also, when can we expect to know the conditions and the date of the next race?

I'll update the first post after Christmas, but it will more than likely be 4th January.

My game arrived this morning btw, so I'm in for the next round at Sepang.

Good good. :)

Ardius, why don't you just join Williams or Jaguar? So what if you can only make it for a few rounds, we don't have many takers for the race seats. Also, where Was LewyOs?

No idea where LewyOs, must have been busy. I haven't put my name in thus far because I really can't race on Sundays and this seems to be when we'll be racing for the championship. I might make it to one of the practice races maybe but I just don't have the time nor predictable evenings.

I had to use the late join option. But I was in the room, then I got kicked as it went to load quali. Was I wrong in getting back in?

Also I don't see the problem with running a full grid if there are only 11 'real' racers, it shouldn't cause any more lag. The 11 AI drivers definitely helped with having people to race when you're back in the pack.

I am guessing the next race will be Jan 4th at Malaysia?

I think late joins should be allowed just because the game can very easily crash online and people will have to reset their PS3 quite a lot and also because I think we should be promoting fun racing and consistent turn-outs rather than strict deadlines and constant arguing over incidents.

The 11 extra AI are really not necessary and in my opinion distract too much, it was far easier to keep track of my rivals on the track when I didn't have 10+ AI cars in front of me.
If we could, we would turn the AI completely off, because it serves little purpose for this. Fortunately, the AI does have a purpose in providing late joiners with a decent margin to still keep in the race, but we only need the max drivers we are using (which is 10).

Next race will indeed be the 4th, subject to change of course.
 
Also I don't see the problem with running a full grid if there are only 11 'real' racers, it shouldn't cause any more lag.

Unfortunately it's a bug with the game, the lag happens when there is a full grid :yuck: But if you guys didn't notice any lag then keep the 22 cars option on. 👍
 
I had to use the late join option. But I was in the room, then I got kicked as it went to load quali. Was I wrong in getting back in?

Also I don't see the problem with running a full grid if there are only 11 'real' racers, it shouldn't cause any more lag. The 11 AI drivers definitely helped with having people to race when you're back in the pack.

I don't know what we can do, but I think it should be T2 before any passing can take place, however, by the looks of it, some people are either very slow off the line, or brake early for T1. There's really nothing we can do about that.

I am guessing the next race will be Jan 4th at Malaysia?

The problem I have with the AIs is that I don't try to avoid them since I can drive through them. I don't really race them. They make me loose a lot of time on corners because if I'm too close to them I loose sight of my race line and braking point. I use clues on the track to define my braking points. With AIs close in front of me, I can't see them. If I have real driver in front, I usually take a different racing line so I can follow my clues. I loose a bit of time doing that, but at least I don't ruin another driver's race.
 
Unfortunately it's a bug with the game, the lag happens when there is a full grid :yuck: But if you guys didn't notice any lag then keep the 22 cars option on. 👍

Thanks for the info guys. Yeah I say we turn the AI off then. Even if it only provides a marginal amount of reliability improvement, this game needs all it can get. 👍

Although I was piggy backing the AI and drafting on the main straight, I was maxing out the revs 2/3 of the way down the straight :sly:

Edit: Mofo, I also agree with your point.
 
I've just updated the NTSC tables - certainly looking interesting already, with 2 teams on equal points (Shaguar taking the top spot through virtue of race wins) and another team behind by a single point. I will be watching this one with interest!

LOL Ardius, I think you should wait for a few more races before turning on the rain, unless we can have a vote for which tracks will have light rain / heavy rain this season ?

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Heh, well, just for you fishfash, I'm going to make the Malaysian GP dry this time around. Don't hate me guys :sly:
The weather will be chosen randomly so there's not going to the same weather at each track this time around mostly.

Yea, I was busy all day yesterday guys, very sorry.
Should be ok for the 4th though.

Ok, no problem 👍
 
Ha, got used to the game on-line this afternoon, only for it to crash when saving my profile. My first PS3 crash. :(
 
RACE # 2 - By looking at the map , I am going to say , NO PASSING UNTIL AFTER TURN 2. LOOK GOOD ? SOUND GOOD ? , ANY RESPONSES ?

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From previous experience there T1 will be a bigger threat than Bahrain was. PLEASE everyone practice & think about being smart. YES no passing till AFTER T2 also guys who qualify up front dont LAG on start GO GO GO dont hold up others.
 
look guys i thought this was supposed to be fun but from some of the msg's iv'e seen and received last night and today i think some of us are taking this a little too seriously IT'S JUST A GAME i had a good time last night yes i got mad and said a few cuss words 1st when i miss judged my closing speed and ran into someone about lap 3 or 4 dont know who it was but i didn't mean to hit them it happens its online racing crazy things happen 2nd time i threw out some cuss words im cruzing along 2 or 3 cars crashed in front of me i had nowhere to go but into a mess I KNOW WHO CAUSED CRASH IN TURN 1 because i had a good view i saw all of it all i want to do is have fun but if anyone dont want me in this let me know ill quit IT'S JUST A GAME
 
No worries man. I don't think anyone is going to hold anything against others (at least I hope not). It's a long season, I know we'll all have fun. 👍
 
Alright guys, I can't wait till Saturday! Finally my PS3 is coming! Now I've got two (maybe one) days to get acclaimated to the full game and possibly online. I must warn you guys though, there are seven tracks on the game I know like the back of my hand so I might just run away from ya:sly: Everywhere else though:nervous:
 
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look guys i thought this was supposed to be fun but from some of the msg's iv'e seen and received last night and today i think some of us are taking this a little too seriously IT'S JUST A GAME i had a good time last night yes i got mad and said a few cuss words 1st when i miss judged my closing speed and ran into someone about lap 3 or 4 dont know who it was but i didn't mean to hit them it happens its online racing crazy things happen 2nd time i threw out some cuss words im cruzing along 2 or 3 cars crashed in front of me i had nowhere to go but into a mess I KNOW WHO CAUSED CRASH IN TURN 1 because i had a good view i saw all of it all i want to do is have fun but if anyone dont want me in this let me know ill quit IT'S JUST A GAME

Well you must be a better eyesight than me, because I was at the back at the start (P8) & I couldn't tell who hit whom, all I could see was cars flying everywhere - as usual! :dopey:

I don't think anyone's too worked up about this, but it is does kind of reflect badly on all of us that we can't work this out. It would be nice to have an aggressive start, like in offline, but it's clearly just not possible. I really think everyone should drive very conservatively through the first few turns, keep their positions & adrenaline in check & treat it as a kind of moving start, allowing everybody to space out a little & get into the race before pushing it. It just looks a lot more ... professional, not to have a big pile-up at T1 every race. :embarrassed:
 
As I stated earlier,I saw nothing other than smoke,dust,car parts flying all over the place,cars going every imaginable direction known to mankind.I was trying to weave my way slowly through this and got the boot,forcing me into someone in the pile-up,ultimately totaling me out,only to re-spawn and get hit again,pretty much took me out of the running :grumpy:. I am in agreeance (spelling ?) with all else,we need to just take it a little more easy through the first couple of turns,let things filter out a bit,then go racing.


THE NEXT RACE WILL BE RUN WITHOUT ANY " AI " CARS TO HOPEFULLY CLEAR THE FIELD OF SIGHT FOR ALL INVOLVED

SOUND LIKE A WINNING IDEA ?
 
I'm afraid I can't make the next race as i'll be in Amsterdam (maybe I could meet up at Appie's place :sly:) until the 5th. Unless you fancy bringing it forward a week, I could do it then I think.
 
28th is fine by me.

Actually, wouldn't mind having the 4th off from the racing as I have an important first day back at college. Though it doesn't bother me a huge amount, if it's okay with the other PAL racers, the 28th for Sepang would be good. With the 4th being a "mid-season break" ;)
 
We should practice the start of the race for every track before the race. I mean, all the drivers without AIs. We should set up a "mandatory" practice session to heavily work on the start. No pass until T2 doesn't fully solve the problem, the mess will happen on T3 or T4, anywhere after the green flag.

We should practice several times, each driver starting from a different position on the grid. Then we can chat about everyone’s experience. What most drivers don’t know is that, to avoid accidents at the start of the race, each position requires a different braking point on the first corner. This practice session will help each driver to determine the braking point for each position, and hopefully, avoid crashes. Subsequently, we will understand how to brake while tailgating other drivers during the rest of the track.

Thoughts.-
 
Well, I guess part of the problem is, that going slow & braking early in order to avoid hitting the car in front, may result in the car in the car behind hitting you! So you're in trouble if you do & in trouble if you don't (drive slow).

A few practice starts might help a lot. Personally, I don't have any expectations of winning, so getting destroyed by another car doesn't bother me too much, but the fact that every race starts with the equivalent of a "bench-clearing brawl" (to use a Canadian analogy!) makes the whole race seem a little unrealistic!
 
I'm afraid I can't make the next race as i'll be in Amsterdam (maybe I could meet up at Appie's place :sly:) until the 5th. Unless you fancy bringing it forward a week, I could do it then I think.

I wish I was in Amsterdam next week. :)

Anyway, I say yeah, when we get everyone together, run 2 1 lap races with a random grid just for everyone to get used to the start. Then the host can switch it back to 20 laps + the 5 min quali.

I also think, especially at this track, to take it easy through the full kink @ T2. I am not sure how everyone is at partial throttle, but that would work. But I would also not want the people qualifying up front to pull away before everyone is going WOT.

Also I would practice on your own time. Put the AI on hard in single player quick and start P12 (then randomize) and just keep restarting after turn 3 trying to avoid accidents. I know it doesn't compensate for online lag, but you'll get used to the braking points as they are much different than when on a flying lap.
 
RACE # 2 - By looking at the map , I am going to say , NO PASSING UNTIL AFTER TURN 2. LOOK GOOD ? SOUND GOOD ? , ANY RESPONSES ?

Mate, you're taking this too far I think, I really don't agree with these rules, they are starting to get out of hand. I personally think you are crossing the line between strict races and fun races.
I realise there was a screw up last time and you were one of unlucky ones, but these things happen, there will always be turn 1 incidents no matter how many rules you lay down and the quicker you accept this the less this will stress you out.
Having said that, I don't think it helped having 11 extra AI on the grid, blocking people's view and also providing the risk of people attempting to drive through the AI and not seeing what is in front of the AI.

I've thought about this and I'm going to say I won't agree with any rules prohibiting racing from the start grid, although there are problems with certain people wrecking the races sometimes, I am sure these people will be identified and I will ban them. But ultimately, it's up to each driver to keep themselves out of trouble at the start, and I don't mean just the drivers at the back, the front row drivers also need to make sure they don't drive too slowly that they cause a pile-up.
I don't see why prohibitng overtaking at the start will solve the problems, if nothing I think they will make them worse, with people going out of their way to slow down and not accidentally overtake others, potentially causing accidental brake-tests, etc.

Looking at your first test of this rule, it clearly isn't an adequate solution and I don't think you should keep using it and/or making it more strict.

look guys i thought this was supposed to be fun but from some of the msg's iv'e seen and received last night and today i think some of us are taking this a little too seriously IT'S JUST A GAME i had a good time last night yes i got mad and said a few cuss words 1st when i miss judged my closing speed and ran into someone about lap 3 or 4 dont know who it was but i didn't mean to hit them it happens its online racing crazy things happen 2nd time i threw out some cuss words im cruzing along 2 or 3 cars crashed in front of me i had nowhere to go but into a mess I KNOW WHO CAUSED CRASH IN TURN 1 because i had a good view i saw all of it all i want to do is have fun but if anyone dont want me in this let me know ill quit IT'S JUST A GAME

Agreed, this is for fun, all drivers should remember that when getting punted, I will ban drivers who start uneccesary arguments just as much as I will ban those who are found to be regular punters/accident-causers.

I'm afraid I can't make the next race as i'll be in Amsterdam (maybe I could meet up at Appie's place :sly:) until the 5th. Unless you fancy bringing it forward a week, I could do it then I think.

28th is fine by me.

Actually, wouldn't mind having the 4th off from the racing as I have an important first day back at college. Though it doesn't bother me a huge amount, if it's okay with the other PAL racers, the 28th for Sepang would be good. With the 4th being a "mid-season break" ;)

Hmm, well the problem with the 28th is that I won't be anywhere near a computer, so I won't be able to send the PMs or sort out any more problems that arise. One of the other organisors would have to step up and do my job for a day.

We should practice the start of the race for every track before the race. I mean, all the drivers without AIs. We should set up a "mandatory" practice session to heavily work on the start. No pass until T2 doesn't fully solve the problem, the mess will happen on T3 or T4, anywhere after the green flag.

We should practice several times, each driver starting from a different position on the grid. Then we can chat about everyone’s experience. What most drivers don’t know is that, to avoid accidents at the start of the race, each position requires a different braking point on the first corner. This practice session will help each driver to determine the braking point for each position, and hopefully, avoid crashes. Subsequently, we will understand how to brake while tailgating other drivers during the rest of the track.

Thoughts.-

Now this is a better idea, practicing your starts might work, though unfortunately, I'm guessing some people might not be able to turn up and will still be caught out by this and unfairly penalised.
For this to work you'd have to sort out some practice sessions where everyone can turn up, and some much better communication would be required between drivers (I don't mean how we are talking to each other, I mean some of the drivers don't even post in this thread much...this is not good if arguments need to be settled).

What I would like to see is more of the NTSC drivers coming into this thread and talking about the races, discussing the rules, asking questions, etc. The major problem is that too many drivers are annonymous and it tends to come off badly when they cause accidents because we have no idea about the person, its easy for people to assume they did it on purpose.
Also, it seems some people aren't keeping up to date with this thread and have no idea about the concept rules sometimes being tried out, at the very least I would like people just to check this thread more often, so they aren't kept out of the loop so much.
 
I don't see any one driver being responsible for these problems.

Getting rid of the AI might help as it would get rid of the crowding & the ghost/non ghost confusion.

Practicing offline won't help that much IMO, because it's much easier to go wheel-to-wheel & bumper-to-bumper offline than it is online.

The problem as I see it, isn't so much the drivers, as it is the game & its lag issues. I still think a slow start would make sense as it is better to have an "unrealistic" slow start every race, than an "unrealistic" T1 pile-up every race. However, maybe we will get better with time...
 
I think any changes to regulations or attempted changes to regulations would need to be sent to all members via PM, if not, via PSN message. I presume you know the PSN's of everyone else in your division.

I agree with Ardius, you can't not race for the first couple of corners, because you just get the same result at whatever the next corner is you do race from and it isn't racing. First corner pile ups are quite regular in F1, be it one broken wing or the calamity at Spa back in the late 90's. Make people aware if they make a mistake, punish them if it was obviously deliberate, but don't make take the rules away. First corners are great fun and are a vital part of any racing game.

Removing the AI makes sense though.
 
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