2nd GTPlanet Formula 1 World Championship (Finished - Season Over!)

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Biggles
Practicing offline won't help that much IMO, because it's much easier to go wheel-to-wheel & bumper-to-bumper offline than it is online.

The problem as I see it, isn't so much the drivers, as it is the game & its lag issues. I still think a slow start would make sense as it is better to have an "unrealistic" slow start every race, than an "unrealistic" T1 pile-up every race. However, maybe we will get better with time...
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Erm, the idea is to practice starts online for the very reasons you just mentioned why there are problems...to basically set up a race and practice the race starts several times and then work out where each other is going wrong.
Of course the lag is the issue, but the only way to cure that is to get all drivers to practice getting used to it.

I think its a very good idea and I fully support it.
 
Ardius
Erm, the idea is to practice starts online for the very reasons you just mentioned why there are problems...to basically set up a race and practice the race starts several times and then work out where each other is going wrong.
Of course the lag is the issue, but the only way to cure that is to get all drivers to practice getting used to it.

I think its a very good idea and I fully support it.
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yeah Like I said before, we can set the laps very low and run a few quick races anytime everyone is together, be it for practice races or the real deal. I know at least for myself I've only had the game 3 months and have had maybe 6 or7 real starts on online with collisions and a set of people I know.
 
Biggles
Practicing offline won't help that much IMO, because it's much easier to go wheel-to-wheel & bumper-to-bumper offline than it is online.

The problem as I see it, isn't so much the drivers, as it is the game & its lag issues. I still think a slow start would make sense as it is better to have an "unrealistic" slow start every race, than an "unrealistic" T1 pile-up every race. However, maybe we will get better with time...
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To practice the start racing offline will help on throttle control coming into the corner, but the AI's drivers behavior is predictable. So we will find the way to beat them. Not so with real drivers on the wheel. I truly believe we should give a try to race-start practice online. We can practice the idea I explained earlier and the pass after T2 idea as well as any other. Whatever starting rule we decide to implement, we must practice it on every track before the race until we have an grip on the situation.

Also, for those who use cockpit camera, should use the TV camera or a camera that you can see your surrounding at least for the start of the race. I use the cockpit camera and I know it is hard to see what's on either side of you. To change the camera back is easier than changing the Live Dynamics settings while racing.

We will need the collaboration of all ya to find a suitable solution to the problem, or to minimize the bugs in the game.
 
I have been in other F1CE leagues, (although I have never supported this concept), where a rolling start is implemented. Similar to how the Safety car is deployed in F1 after a serious accident and all cars stay in position and no overtaking is allowed until the safety car has entered the pits and then the lead F1 car leads the way. Also no overtaking is allowed until the car in front has crossed the start/finish line.

This could work, but the best way to play the game is a normal start like in real F1 and learn how to handle the first corner. This will come with time and maybe by next season, (it does take time), you will see then benefits. :)
 
AH - Thought on similar lines

At the UKGTP8 when the Dutch guys were over they said that on their GT4 LAN's if there was ever a crash involving a couple of cars in the first few corners then "safety car" would be shouted and everyone would slow down until the pack was back together. Obviously you can't shout "safety car" unless you have mic or are just insane anyway. I presume full damage is on so people can get totalled?

I think it will iron itself out over time with you NTSC guys, there are more of you than us PALers.
 
AI's drivers behavior is predictable
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yeah, for the most part, the AI drivers will actually get out of your way unless you do something really unpredictable.

The thing is, the online lag bubble is unpredictable, so even with the best intentions in the world, it's easy to have a pileup at T1.
 
Biggles
yeah, for the most part, the AI drivers will actually get out of your way unless you do something really unpredictable.

The thing is, the online lag bubble is unpredictable, so even with the best intentions in the world, it's easy to have a pileup at T1.
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I agree with this comment. All we can do here is work on what we can do to make the competition more exciting. Let the bubble and lagging issues as Act of God. Real F1 drivers have to race through toughest issues than us (gearbox, engine failures, brakes overheating, Nakajima ruining Alonso's race at Valencia, or Kimi taking Sutil out at Monaco, etc.)
 
Ardius
As for the "no overtaking till T3" rule, perhaps the NTSC lads can test this out? I'm not so sure its needed in the PAL race just yet as I believe we've had no problems so far?
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Ok , we ( ntsc ) tried it , epic failure on our behalf. :crazy:

So by reading todays posts, we are not going to implement any overtaking rules ( did I read that right ) ?. I am fine with all of that,thats how we do our Wed. night league, it's just flat out racing.There are threads flying around about different things on how we should do things concerning theses races.Initally ( still are ),the rules were posted on page 1 on thread and everyone involved was supposed to read then,we went astray trying things.examples :AI RULES,TURN 1 RULES

Ardius : Perhaps a " final version " of the rules should be posted for all to see,and there will be no more , ifs, ands, or buts from anyone involved, ( yes or no ? ).The rules will be what is posted , correct ? As far as late starts, how much time do you think we should allow ? Sorry if I seemed to came across as hardcore,as I am only trying out other peoples ideas,and nothing is working.
 
I'm fine with how it is now, but I still believe it would be good to turn collisions off. I believe we can still have the pits, fuel+tire wear. I'm not sure about the qualifying though. I just had a great race with FastDuck (ZERODUCK1) this evening, where we practiced at Sepang, with collisions turned off. We had an 8 lap race, with pits on. We had some very close battles, where we were able to get extremely close to one another. It really became a battle of who could take the turns quicker. I really enjoyed it. We had some very competitive laps.

If it requires that we do away with qualifying, then I'm fine with it. Your qualifying position doesn't matter anyway. Your performance in the first few turns would be what determines your position, after turn 3. Starting in 6th shouldn't prevent you from taking the lead throuh T1, so long as you're fast. That is, if collisions are turned off. I just don't believe that the game realism is there, to warrant keeping the collisions on. I understand the additional challenge collisions brings to the racing, making it difficult to pass. However, the problems with the lag bubbles make such maneuvers quite risky, unduly so IMO. Turn 1 problems seem to me, to be the biggest reason to make the switch to no collisions. I don't like the idea of "slow starts", and "no passing" before turn X. That's bull. When the lights go out, I wanna rock damnit. I believe collisions are better suited to offline play.

I just know that I've had 3 enjoyable online races at Bahrain with you guys, and I've been involved in collision accidents in 2 of those races. Both accidents were the result of collisions, which were not my fault. In one instance, I was damaged enough to warrant a pit stop, but not enough to get the full respawn:grumpy:.

Please think about it guys. Again, I'm fine with what we've got now though.


PS: Watch out for ZERODUCK1 @ Turn 14. I found out the hard way, that its tough to outbrake him there! (I spun while braking, no collisions remember)
 
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Biggles
Is it possible that this was due to the "newcomers" not even knowing about our decision to try the no-overtaking-on-T1 approach?
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This will be addressed in future races, I will be sending PMs out with the concept rules added on, so there will be no excuses about not reading the rules.

Lofasz
I'm fine with how it is now, but I still believe it would be good to turn collisions off. I believe we can still have the pits, fuel+tire wear. I'm not sure about the qualifying though. I just had a great race with FastDuck (ZERODUCK1) this evening, where we practiced at Sepang, with collisions turned off. We had an 8 lap race, with pits on. We had some very close battles, where we were able to get extremely close to one another. It really became a battle of who could take the turns quicker. I really enjoyed it. We had some very competitive laps.

If it requires that we do away with qualifying, then I'm fine with it. Your qualifying position doesn't matter anyway. Your performance in the first few turns would be what determines your position, after turn 3. Starting in 6th shouldn't prevent you from taking the lead throuh T1, so long as you're fast. That is, if collisions are turned off. I just don't believe that the game realism is there, to warrant keeping the collisions on. I understand the additional challenge collisions brings to the racing, making it difficult to pass. However, the problems with the lag bubbles make such maneuvers quite risky, unduly so IMO. Turn 1 problems seem to me, to be the biggest reason to make the switch to no collisions. I don't like the idea of "slow starts", and "no passing" before turn X. That's bull. When the lights go out, I wanna rock damnit. I believe collisions are better suited to offline play.

I just know that I've had 3 enjoyable online races at Bahrain with you guys, and I've been involved in collision accidents in 2 of those races. Both accidents were the result of collisions, which were not my fault. In one instance, I was damaged enough to warrant a pit stop, but not enough to get the full respawn:grumpy:.

Please think about it guys. Again, I'm fine with what we've got now though.


PS: Watch out for ZERODUCK1 @ Turn 14. I found out the hard way, that its tough to outbrake him there! (I spun while braking, no collisions remember)
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You can have qualifying without collisions, the problem with taking out collisions is it becomes extremely easy to pass people and there is absolutely no way to defend your position. Whats the point in qualifying on pole when people can just drive through you?
By all means, you can try having a race without collisions, but I'm guessing the consensus will be that they are needed if its going to be worthwhile racing at all.

We spent all last championship testing different settings for the online games, and these settings are overall the ones which work best for us, unfortunately, this was with PAL and we didn't have any where near the kind of attendance you guys get.

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And by request, and for the benefit of everyone, I will restate the rules:
Rules
  • The maximum drivers participating will be 10, in order to keep teams even.
  • All drivers must be part of a team to compete.
  • Each team must have no more than 2 drivers.
  • Points are awarded as follows:
    1st:10 pts
    2nd:8 pts
    3rd:6 pts
    4th:5 pts
    5th:4 pts
    6th:3 pts
    7th:2 pts
    8th:1 pt.
    Also, 1 point for fastest lap.
  • Drivers must start at least one race to be counted in the championship.
  • If you are unable to make the race, please notify me or one of the race organisors, you will be marked as a DNQ and recieve no points.
  • If you want to allow someone else to take your position at a team, or if a team wishes to make a driver change, then the driver being changed will effectively be forfeitting the championship. Any points scored before hand will still be counted, but any achieved afterwards will be counted towards the new driver. This does not affect the team's points however.
  • Drivers must complete 80% of the race distance to be classified, otherwise the driver will be counted as a retirement and recieve no points.
  • Collisions and damage will be on - which means we expect all drivers to wait for any drivers they have accidentally knocked out of the race and give their position back. It is the responsibility of the car behind to avoid accidents. The car in front should never have to wait if involved in an accident. If brake testing was involved, then obviously it will need to be proved.
  • During racing, it is also expected of all drivers to comply with the 1 block rule. Any drivers found to be repeatedly ignoring this rule will firstly have points docked, and, if the driver still refuses to comply, the driver will be kicked from the championship and lose all points.
    The one block rule is referring to the standard rule employed in most motor racing, where only one block is allowed on a straight and then the driver blocking has to commit to that new line.
    The rule applies only to the upcoming corner, it resets for the next corner and so on, so you can keep blocking through a sequence of corners, but you can't repeatedly block on a straight.
    The main reason this is done is to avoid accidents, keep the racing going and also to encourage more elaborate strategies about how to keep ahead of the guy behind, such as allowing him to pass but then pressuring him into a mistake or taking new lines around the track which force him to allow you past, etc.
  • It is up to the drivers to ensure that everyone is racing for fun first and foremost and to ensure that everyone is given fair racing room and respected equally on the track. However, if arguments arise over racing incidents, warnings and instant bans will be enforced - all points will be taken off and the driver will be kicked out of the championship. With regards to this, I ask all drivers to please be aware of the "lag bubble" that is employed online in F1:CE and to take care when battling with another driver - sometimes it will seem you have not touched the other driver at all but in actual fact the lag bubble has caused you to take them out. Please keep this in mind and watch out for it, you will be expected to wait for the driver(s) as it is considered an unfair advantage.
  • Before each race there will be a 5 minute waiting period allowing for any late-comers to join in time for qualifying. We will not start the race earlier even if all drivers have joined.
 
Could anyone please state now if they can't do this race on sunday 28th instead of 4th jan? BTW, if this were to happen, would there be a break the week after?

This is just a suggestion, as it suits me given that i'm away from 31st dec-5th jan. As for organising it, don't worry Ardius as I will gladly help out and I'm sure some others would too.
 
Yeah, it should be fine for most people I think, its just I can't organise sending out the PMs nor can I update the first post until the following week.
 
Ardius,

thanks for re-posting the rules,now everyone involved should be on the same page. 👍
 
Merry Christmas everyone enjoy this time with friends & family. But if they get on your nerves too much we can always slip off & turn on the PS3 mayby do an informal race @ Monza just for fun.:dopey:
 
DaddyVDUB
Merry Christmas everyone enjoy this time with friends & family. But if they get on your nerves too much we can always slip off & turn on the PS3 mayby do an informal race @ Monza just for fun.:dopey:
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I'm up for that:sly:
 
Dear GTP Members,

I work a lot, principally at this time of the year.
Finally, now i´m getting more reliefed, thanks god!

I have to apologize for my absence here in GTP Forum. I occasionally read this forum and i don´t participate fulltime here... I am full of another things happening and i putted this "part of the tournament" - press :D - asides me. Yet, i took commitment to the races and i am wiling to keep it.

I really enjoyed the first race. I was confortable with the track, despite little training. Got good Pole Position! The runner-up (dunno who was) had a better start and got it´s nose to my own, but i think i break harder enough to ensure my first position. Then he got bumped from behind. I couldnt see what happened. I kept thinking "what about 'no-surpassing til corner 3?" and got going...

Then i got 2 good laps and spun off in last corner. If i remember good, that´s when Lofasz came with it´s silver McLaren. We had a thrilling fight and i missjudge breaking point and hitted his back. I knew he got penalized, yet i waited and gave him my position. I don´t know if i did right... i´m sorry for that, it was an accident. I hate being hitted, and i HATE when i commit these accidents. It´s NEVER on purpose. That´s to all of you.

Then i spun off 3-times at last corner and antecipatted my stop. Got good flying laps, i conquer a few positions and got in 5th at the end. It was not what i thinking but i had a blast.
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I race at least 3-times a week at DoctorBen (DocSix) private LAN/Online PS3 setup at his home. He is sitting next to me and wants to say "hi!" and ask to you, if anyone wants to add him as a friend to - please - use his PSN ID (GTBR-SPEEDDOCTOR). His "doctorben" "official id" is full. He is a 43 year oldman (100% race addict!!!) wich really don´t know how to digit here in his own notebook (lol!!! i am 23, and im serious hehe).

Our setup includes a 8mbit cable link. We race on G25´s with NO assists AT ALL in any game. This included. Also we love to race respectully, clean but agressive. Brazilian tradition lol!!!

I use my email a lot (conandrade@gmail.com) when i´m working, please feel free to use it.

Personally i´m having internet problems at home. It´s a bill problem... you know how it is... but soon it will be "fixed". That´s why i don´t enter here too much.

We are looking foward to the next race. The first one was thrilling, but i hope to get better next time!!!

And Lofasz, thanks for the great memories. Sorry i ended hitting you...

AH! Really sorry for my english mystakes. I´m able to understand it all... well, 90%... but when it comes to grammar... im not graduated heheh

Cheers, nice holidays!
 
Is the race on for PAL tomorrow? There's nothing in the OP, but I'd gathered the consensus in the PAL league was to do it tomorrow night?
 
benoni2
Then i got 2 good laps and spun off in last corner. If i remember good, that´s when Lofasz came with it´s silver McLaren. We had a thrilling fight and i missjudge breaking point and hitted his back. I knew he got penalized, yet i waited and gave him my position. I don´t know if i did right... i´m sorry for that, it was an accident. I hate being hitted, and i HATE when i commit these accidents. It´s NEVER on purpose. That´s to all of you...

. . .And Lofasz, thanks for the great memories. Sorry i ended hitting you...

. . .AH! Really sorry for my english mystakes. I´m able to understand it all... well, 90%... but when it comes to grammar... im not graduated heheh

Cheers, nice holidays!
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Hi benoni2, no worries mate. We did indeed have a good battle, for a number of laps. I know it was a mistake. I could tell you didn't hit me that hard. Its just that I was just coming off the brakes, and cranking into the entrance of the corner, when you tapped me. My car tires didn't have any grip left, to resist the impact force. Not sure if it was the initial contact, or secondary contact with you or another racer, that ripped my rear wheel off. No penalty for me, just no wheel! I think somebody else ended up hitting my wheel, and damaging their front wing, then needing to pit (was it Biggles?).

You are definately fast. Hopefully we can meet again, on the track, sometime soon.

You're from Brazil right? So is Portuguese your first language? I've studied Spanish and German, but am not quite fluent in either. I also know a little Hungarian, Romainian, and Yiddish! ;).
 
Good to hear from you benoni2, thats all I ask of everyone - to pop into this thread and just give their side of their story, etc, just to keep it friendly rather than it being an anonymous race series.

Sureshot
Is the race on for PAL tomorrow? There's nothing in the OP, but I'd gathered the consensus in the PAL league was to do it tomorrow night?
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I thought I couldn't organise it, but here I am, I managed to get back home early, so I can send the PMs out if everyone still wants to race. However, I got the impression many people had plans and were not sure they could make it.

If everyone can make it though, I'm perfectly fine with organising it. Its up to you guys.
 
Shaggy Alonso came up with the suggestion, only other PAL drivers/related people to have posted have been you and I.
 
Ardius

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NTSC Region Team/Constuctors Championship Table:
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NTSC Region Drivers Championship Table:
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Where did you get these tables from? They could be very useful for when I put up the results table to for my F1 Season thread. :)
 
PeterJB
Where did you get these tables from? They could be very useful for when I put up the results table to for my F1 Season thread. :)
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They are from the wikipedia page for the 2006 F1 season, I simply print-screened the tables and edited them in Microsoft Paint.
I can give you a clear copy if you want (with all the results empty).
 
I really like those tables, but I don't believe they are for the 2006 season. Any chance wikipedia has a table for 2006? I'll surf over there to see. I guess we can keep these tables, no biggie. So long as there are the same # of races, for both seasons.

And thanks for organizing all our race results. 👍
 

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