3rd GTPlanet Formula 1 World Championship (Season Opening)

[kingmart1n]

He was flying down to T1 he easily was past me and i qualified ahead of joy

 

[HEMIata]

If I was to name this race it would be "A good strategy gone terribly wrong" I messed up sector 2 on my best hot lap and cost me about 2 tenths, don't know if it would have put me on pole but it would have been close My first front row start so I'm happy 👍 I got a good launch but not good enough to take turn one. Shaggy gave me plenty of room but my car wouldn't turn (cold tires) and I tagged him it helped me turn but I couldn't see what happened to him so I just kept to the right Then I saw him take off from the grass in front of me and I went on my merry way I'm glad that neither of us received damage 👍 I then settled into my strategy of a one stop race, very hard at Indy but doable I probably should have tried to stick with Shaggy for we were only only a tenth or so apart but the die was cast That being said I screwed up when I came out of the pits and over shot turn one so as not to cut off my teammate, I let ZERODUCK buy Then I ran wide in turn 4 and that let Ginty get right on my tail Then Ginty and I had an unplanned meeting of car parts and I went spinning this cost me about 12 seconds and ultimately the race as Shaggy beat me by 10 seconds I don't think this was my best chance at a win but it was a good one so until next week Good win Shaggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBC0iHgt_WU

 

[Kakundoo]

It was either Scoop or Duck, and by the sounds of things, I don't think it was Scoop. And i'm not sure if it was Joy either, he said to me in a message that he didn't get involved in any of the carnage down into turn 1.

 

[kingmart1n]

It was either Scoop or Duck, and by the sounds of things, I don't think it was Scoop. And i'm not sure if it was Joy either, he said to me in a message that he didn't get involved in any of the carnage down into turn 1.

By my screen joy was flying into T1

 

[kingmart1n]

Anyway i qualified 6th and though that would be my finishing position. Got caught up in the T1 drama as you know. But managed to make my way up the field after kakundoo and Gintys mistakes i was up in 4th and thats where i finished, i didn't have any real hard battles for the position either.

 

[Kakundoo]

By my screen joy was flying into T1

Fair enough, but did he get in front of you?

 

[kingmart1n]

Fair enough, but did he get in front of you?

Yeah he was

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

What does this mean, does Joyless get docked a position?

 

[Peter]

I don't see why, everyone who got hit finished ahead of him, unless he hit scoop as well.

 

[Kakundoo]

If he was in front of King at turn 1, how could he have hit him?

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

I don't see why, everyone who got hit finished ahead of him, unless he hit scoop as well.

That's a good point, Scoop did emerge from the wreckage in 3rd in fact, well ahead of Sizzles. Perhaps no penalty would be dished out then. Obviously a bad accident, but one that seems to have resolved itself by the end of the race. To be fair Scoop, if Sizzles was in front of you before he d/c, and then behind you when he reconnected I think he finishes ahead fair and square. Isn't that what happened?

God this is a nightmare for trying to sort out these bloody tables 👎

 

[Kakundoo]

I guess Scoop and Sizzles sorted themselves out in a way us mere mortals shall never understand. However, this does leave Duck in question...

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

I guess Scoop and Sizzles sorted themselves out in a way us mere mortals shall never understand. However, this does leave Duck in question...

In what way, is it not agreed that Joyless caused the accident?

EDIT: Wait that's right, you said Joyless sent you a message saying he wasn't involved. Well someones telling porkies. Duck must have got off to a really bad start as he qualified 4th but according to Kingmart1n who started in 6th, he was behind him coming into turn one? Not much of this makes sense I have to say.

 

[kingmart1n]

Joy hit Ginty which started the whole thing so it couldn't of been him who hit my back end which made me hit kakundoo. If it was scoop the result stays the same but if it was zeroduck then i go into 3rd i guess.

 

[kingmart1n]

zeroduck waited for us all to go pass shaggy

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

Joy hit Ginty which started the whole thing so it couldn't of been him who hit my back end which made me hit kakundoo. If it was scoop the result stays the same but if it was zeroduck then i go into 3rd i guess.

If it was Duck, I don't think people automatically swap positions, a 25 second penalty is applied. In which case Duck would fall to 5th, you and Ginty would both be promoted a place. These are the times at the end of the race on screen:

1st. Shaggy Alonso
2nd. +10.371 secs, HEMIata
3rd. +27.947, FastDuck
4th. +39.715, Kingmart1n
5th. +50.389, GINTY72
6th. +53.848, Kakundoo
7th. +1:00.963, PJ-FFL
8th. +1 lap Mr Happy
9th. +1 lap Scoop2004

zeroduck waited for us all to go pass shaggy

You're not making sense to me King i'm afraid No one passed me. Or are you just saying, "Duck waited on us to pass, Shaggy"? If that was the case then how would he be penalised? Did Duck wait on you both regardless?

As far as I can tell, the only tweaking that might need done is that Ginty and Kakundoo maybe need to swap positions because of a later incident, going on what Jamie has said. The rest ought to stay the same from everything i've read.

 

[kingmart1n]

At the start of the race zeroduck stayed on his starting slot till the BACK of the field went passed him then set off down to T1 which means he was behind me.

 

[Kakundoo]

If duck did cause King to hit into me then he has to give the position up. We have never issued a 25 second penalty before, it has always been, if you cause the accident and don't give the position up, then you give the position back after the race.
I know for sure that Ginty has to give his position back to me. But surely if King was hit by Duck and the position is given to him, then because I was a was also a victim of this 3-way incident and King waited for me, I should be promoted to 4th.

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

At the start of the race zeroduck stayed on his starting slot till the BACK of the field went passed him then set off down to T1 which means he was behind me.

Ahh, I see now. Hmm, this makes things a lot more difficult. Right now, Duck would look like the guilty party given that Joyless has professed his innocence. Personally though, I believe the issue should be dropped. Turn one incidents happen in every race, and almost always someone will get away with gaining some sort of illegal advantage, whether or not they meant to or if they were even aware of gaining one. Besides, I find it hard to believe that the carnage was a chain reaction purely from one driver's actions. Duck may well have set things in motion, but unless he literally drove into you all without braking at all, he couldn't have caused that much carnage - certain drivers were probably too late on the brakes anyway.

Right now, it seems too complicated to penalise him especially given the lack of evidence against him. If someone could categorically assure me that Duck crashed into you all and got away scot free that might be different, but it sounds like a few drivers were pretty hasty into turn one.

If duck did cause King to hit into me then he has to give the position up. We have never issued a 25 second penalty before, it has always been, if you cause the accident and don't give the position up, then you give the position back after the race.
I know for sure that Ginty has to give his position back to me. But surely if King was hit by Duck and the position is given to him, then because I was a was also a victim of this 3-way incident and King waited for me, I should be promoted to 4th.

Okay then, that's fair. From now on we must note also how far behind a driver is from another at the end of the race. For example:

1. GT4 Genius
2. Rob101 +13.000
3. HEMIata +24.000

This way, if a penalty is to be imposed then we can change the order of the race.

1. Rob101
2. HEMIata +9.000
3. GT4 Genius +10.000

Obviously, the amount of time added to your race total would depend on the severity of the incident. And if it's done a lot of time by one driver in the race, then a starting grid drop may be imposed for the next race. These are now the rules. Final.

Oh and I'm Jamie.

To be fair, it hasn't always been that way. The trend started after Nurburgring and my incident with King. In that case, it was logical to do a straight swap as it only involved us. Doing a straight swap between a driver who caused an accident right at the start of the race, which affected everyone jumbles the order up unfairly. If you swapped your place with Duck (elevating you to 4th), then you'd have to swap PJ with him as well, and possibly Joyless Sizzles too, which is unduly harsh as he finished miles ahead of them. The 25 second penalty is the standard time penalty set after a race in Formula One for an incident which would normally have been either a drive through or a stop-go penalty if the stewards had been able to issue one during the race. Plus this might even be a non-discussion given that we're only assuming Duck was responsible for the incident without it being agreed beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[kingmart1n]

I am not sure if it was Duck though im happy with 4th guys i don't want to accuse anyone. I am with shaggy on this one we should drop it and i finished 4th.

I only wanted to know who hit me

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

OK i'm off to bed. Pretty disappointing I couldn't upload the tables and my race review tonight, but hopefully the dust will have settled by tomorrow and I will post them. Night all 👍

 

[Scoop2004]

Joy was involved in the mess at turn 1, Joy was stone dead last when he disconnected,i was 9th, he then reconnected and took over the AI car that had been running in 10th right behind me (coulthard) meaning he closed the gap on me by probably a dozen seconds or so by switching cars (by accidental d/c or giving up on being last? i dont know)

as for weather he caused the turn one smash i cant be sure..what position did he start? wasnt it 9th?

 

[Kakundoo]

Fine, i'm not too happy about this, because I clearly had front running pace tonight. I'll just have to come back stronger than ever and win in Magny-Cours. With only 8 races remaining, i'm not going to let the Championship slip away from me again.

7 Points down is going to be an uphill struggle, no doubt, but let's see now what i'm truly capable of...

 

[Peter]

Just make sure you get out of the way when I'm lapping you ok?

 

[Kakundoo]

Unlikely PJ, I'm going to win this race, I've let too many races get away from me this season and just settled for second, no more

 

[HEMIata]

In what way, is it not agreed that Joyless caused the accident?

EDIT: Wait that's right, you said Joyless sent you a message saying he wasn't involved. Well someones telling porkies. Duck must have got off to a really bad start as he qualified 4th but according to Kingmart1n who started in 6th, he was behind him coming into turn one? Not much of this makes sense I have to say.

Joy hit Ginty which started the whole thing so it couldn't of been him who hit my back end which made me hit kakundoo. If it was scoop the result stays the same but if it was zeroduck then i go into 3rd i guess.

zeroduck waited for us all to go pass shaggy

At the start of the race zeroduck stayed on his starting slot till the BACK of the field went passed him then set off down to T1 which means he was behind me.

OK Gents, it seems y'all haven't figured out ZERODUCK's method of madness in the starts of these races so let me explain. As it has been documented before the start of this championship he does not like Collisions on (nor do I) so he either does not qualify or if he does qualifies he waits at the start so he does not get caught up in these big shunts and then drives through the debris field. Duck is pretty good at overtaking and when you pass the majority of the field in turn 1 when they are re spawning after a shunt you can get good finishes. I must say it works quite well for him as he did win the championship last year. I joined that championship at the Indy race last year and of the remaining 9 races I was taken out while leading in six of them and none of those were at turn 1 at the start 👎

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

GTP 3rd PAL F1 Championship Round 10 - Indianapolis Motor Speedway

Weather - Dry

Race order:

1st. Shaggy Alonso - 11 pts (Jordan GP)
2nd. +10.371 secs, HEMIata - 8 pts (Williams)
3rd. +27.947, FastDuck - 6 pts (Williams)
4th. +39.715, Kingmart1n - 5 pts (Red Bull)
5th. +53.848, Kakundoo - 4 pts (Brawn GP)
6th. +50.389 (PEN), GINTY72 - 3 pts (Red Bull)
7th. +1:00.963, PJ-FFL - 2 pts (Team Lotus)
8th. +1 lap Mr Happy - 1 pts (Brawn GP)
9th. +1 lap Scoop2004 - 0 pts (Jordan GP)

Pole Position - Shaggy Alonso - 1:08.986
Fastest Lap - Shaggy Alonso - 1:08.926

Williams - 14 pts
Jordan GP - 11 pts
Red Bull - 8 pts
Brawn GP - 5 pts
Team Lotus - 2 pts

Well what a day that was, first Liverpool beat Man Utd 2-0, both Man City and Arsenal also drop points and then this.

Qualy went well - at Indi, 4 qualy laps are managable, my first was ok, 2nd slightly better, then I got pole with my third lap. On my 4th lap I was a couple of tenths up on my first sector but I fell away on my second sector and just cruised the rest of it.

At the start, Hemi who qualified alongside me got a better start initially, then I pulled away until he got in my slipstream and he came back at me, I felt a bit of a nudge from him as we were braking for turn one but nothing major, then I heard the smash from behind me and figured there was a lot of carnage in my wake so I took avoiding action and skipped over the grass. This would normally have meant a penalty but the stewards understood I did this in order to avoid any further accidents Here's a clip of the incident:



Once I came off the grass I resumed in the lead with Hemi behind me and my new team mate Scoop right up to third! Though I figured he would eventually get hunted down by the Piranhas behind him.

I tried to nail my first lap to pull away from Hemi so that he wouldn't be in my tow, but judging from your video you still got some anyway. I set a succession of fastest laps and my first stint was my best of the race 👍 I pitted relatively late for a 2 stopper but noticed that Hemi managed another full 2 laps, at this stage I realised he must have been doing a one stopper which gave him a great shot at victory I tried not to worry about this and just drove my race, but in my haste to get away in my final pit stop I triggered the lollypop man too early, losing me 3 seconds If Hemi hadn't have been spun before this, he probably could have won the race, just as well my error didn't cost me!

Great racing with you then Hemi, it felt sort of like Hamilton vs Raikkonen last year at Istanbul when Hamilton did a 3 stopper and Raikkonen did a 2 stopper, that was a fun race 👍

As I predicted, a strong showing from Williams on their drivers' home turf. Also, Jordan GP have crept back into the lead by one point for the first time since Australia. Williams have scored more than any other team at the last 3 Grand Prix and have hauled themselves back into contention for the Constructor's title.

In the drivers championship i've now put a little bit of daylight between myself and Jamie, but he seems fired up for the next race, at a track which we both like. But I don't think i've ever driven it before with manual gears, so it's gonna be tricky figuring out which way to take that critical Estoril corner. Should be a good and clean race 👍

Here's the tables, please update Jamie, thanks.

 

[Scoop2004]

Im afraid i wont be abe to make the next race, Ill be travelling back from Afghanistan while you're racing, As for the following race, I'll let you know when I know where ill be

 

[Peter]

Unlikely PJ, I'm going to win this race, I've let too many races get away from me this season and just settled for second, no more

Whatever you say, but please don't get stuck on top of me again

 

[kingmart1n]

Whats this rafa vs fergie war of words between you two.lol