5 years, was it worth the wait?
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Yes AI is terrible among various other things. Well at least they have experience now on what NOT to do in GT6
i dont really think its a question of whether the ps3 is capable of various things either.
gt5 has 12 cars on track with weather.
f1 2010 has 24 cars on track and weather.
and if anyone says yea....but gt5 has more detailed vehicles.... are you guys being serious? most cars are litterally the scrag ends of gtpsp and gt4. surely from the intro's etc from gt4 gt psp... they would have those models...
gt5 im sorry to say is the last game i will buy from sony/pd. i held off buying forza 3... and ive been the bigger fool for missing out
gt5 has 12 cars on track with weather.
f1 2010 has 24 cars on track and weather.
and if anyone says yea....but gt5 has more detailed vehicles.... are you guys being serious? most cars are litterally the scrag ends of gtpsp and gt4. surely from the intro's etc from gt4 gt psp... they would have those models...
gt5 im sorry to say is the last game i will buy from sony/pd. i held off buying forza 3... and ive been the bigger fool for missing out
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I hate to be a downer, but not really. Missing features the past GT games had like testing. Cannot get pas this.
It's the thing causal gamers don't get: they say " look at all those cars!!!, what are you whinging about!" while the true fan knows where all those little problems are, which weren't in the previous GT's or problems that aren't in the competition. The thing that surprises me is that the "die hard GT fan" (or the fan boy in old English) has an excuse for all of them, but deep down they agree, and you know why? Cause we all are fanboys woken up in what is a disappointment.
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Permit me to add my thoughts, albeit personal ones, into the mix. I have played every single GT since the beginning. Enjoyed each one immensely and played each one with varying depths of involvement. (GT3 I dove headlong into and didnt come up for air some 6 months later) There are small niggles and glaringly awful problems inherant in the game. The one that annoys me the most is probably the shoddy collision detection that you have to endure in the license tests, primarily the overtake tests. Dont know how you can roughhouse with a car whilst taking the inside line and not get disqualified and then just slightly glance an opponent on a straight and you fail? Also did anyone notice the graphical glitch on the 400m test in the wet? To make life easier, I put the camera view on outside the car so I could judge my stopping distance better and if I got a better start than my ghost, the would be all weird artifacts covering the ghost car. Looked like horizontal lines going across the screen. Seems to be a long list of needless mistakes and dare I say it, laziness on PD's part.
But then there are the parts of this game which make you kin of forgive its failings and foibles. Hammering round Cape Ring full in the sweetest car you have and just nailing it, whilst listening to your own music. Or the feeling of satisfaction of Golding a license. (2 off 60 golds!) I cant remember in recent memory a game which I played where I felt.... emotionaly tied to it. It makes me grin from ear to ear, swear like a sailor and want to keep coming back for more. Im typing this and all i want to do is stop typing this to you guys and go and play the game! Im going now. I need to fettle my 458!
But then there are the parts of this game which make you kin of forgive its failings and foibles. Hammering round Cape Ring full in the sweetest car you have and just nailing it, whilst listening to your own music. Or the feeling of satisfaction of Golding a license. (2 off 60 golds!) I cant remember in recent memory a game which I played where I felt.... emotionaly tied to it. It makes me grin from ear to ear, swear like a sailor and want to keep coming back for more. Im typing this and all i want to do is stop typing this to you guys and go and play the game! Im going now. I need to fettle my 458!
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first of all id just like to say sorry to kaz, i thought id never see the day id be on here typing this but this game is a let down in all areas if you ask me excluding the new features rain snow physics graphics.
the gameplay still feels like im doing a trackday at my local track there's no sense of "i need to win this race" like i get on forza <im no fan boy so dont start that im a loyal gt fan
i just feel like bleh really it's the same events and the (lack of) newer ones the grant turismo cup has been there since the stone age there is 6 events in every license where as in forza ive done 300 diffrent races with different tracks diffrent cars and i can still go on there and do races in the events list.
i really dont see the longetivety i was hoping for with this new release mean take it or leave it 50 races to last me until gt6 comes out not going to happen
i have already repeated races already which in todays racing genre shouldn't be happening its not even a week old i could in turn play nfs and it would take me longer to complete that
what we have here is gt3 more cars features and the same trackday racing from when that was released i feel very withdrawn from the game on the whole and i cant decide if the positive is better than the negative or not.i just cant decide theres a whole lot of good features here but the devs just havent bothred to improve or implement them properly.
the menus are confusing aswell
my g25 cant be mapped unless i take a educated guess what buttons are what
the online is phants no xp or credits (what the point in playing it if there now reward)
evertime i switch it on i feel the game has been rushed and it is already showing its development age 5 years is just too long its outdated.
take a film for example you wouldnt watch a outdated graphical film with no depth would you well this is how this game feels to me a budget film that has been in development too long
and the final question is am i dissapointed ?
well yes and no i can see the good in the game and the improvments but i can also see the bugs glitches and the sense theres no immersion like gtr evo gt legends or live for speed.
so i would have to say yes im dissapointed and i think there should be some changes in the development or that the gt series gets a clean pair of eyes kaz may not be the man for the job anymore as every dog has its day its maybe just time for someone elses ideas and approach on the series.
as of now the future of the gt series (in my opinion) is looking very grim i feel the game is still stuck back in the 90's when this was the thing to have back then.
pritty cars and tracks arent my main thing any game can have good graphics but not all can have good gameplay.
i will wait and see what kaz is going to sort in this game but i think his stay at the PD is overdue you can never perfect something and this is why i feel we need a new sense of direction not these bland sunday cups that have been the same since gt3
i still love the game but i feel some of the gt series has went back not forwards and i think gt2 and 3 were still the best and gt4 was just gt3 renamed with a couple extra stuff chucked in and i feel that gt5 is gt4 HD and a couple of cars chucked in as a good will gesture then 50 skylines to bump up the car count
the game feels rushed and its been in the making since 2004/05 hmm?
the gameplay still feels like im doing a trackday at my local track there's no sense of "i need to win this race" like i get on forza <im no fan boy so dont start that im a loyal gt fan
i just feel like bleh really it's the same events and the (lack of) newer ones the grant turismo cup has been there since the stone age there is 6 events in every license where as in forza ive done 300 diffrent races with different tracks diffrent cars and i can still go on there and do races in the events list.
i really dont see the longetivety i was hoping for with this new release mean take it or leave it 50 races to last me until gt6 comes out not going to happen
i have already repeated races already which in todays racing genre shouldn't be happening its not even a week old i could in turn play nfs and it would take me longer to complete that
what we have here is gt3 more cars features and the same trackday racing from when that was released i feel very withdrawn from the game on the whole and i cant decide if the positive is better than the negative or not.i just cant decide theres a whole lot of good features here but the devs just havent bothred to improve or implement them properly.
the menus are confusing aswell
my g25 cant be mapped unless i take a educated guess what buttons are what
the online is phants no xp or credits (what the point in playing it if there now reward)
evertime i switch it on i feel the game has been rushed and it is already showing its development age 5 years is just too long its outdated.
take a film for example you wouldnt watch a outdated graphical film with no depth would you well this is how this game feels to me a budget film that has been in development too long
and the final question is am i dissapointed ?
well yes and no i can see the good in the game and the improvments but i can also see the bugs glitches and the sense theres no immersion like gtr evo gt legends or live for speed.
so i would have to say yes im dissapointed and i think there should be some changes in the development or that the gt series gets a clean pair of eyes kaz may not be the man for the job anymore as every dog has its day its maybe just time for someone elses ideas and approach on the series.
as of now the future of the gt series (in my opinion) is looking very grim i feel the game is still stuck back in the 90's when this was the thing to have back then.
pritty cars and tracks arent my main thing any game can have good graphics but not all can have good gameplay.
i will wait and see what kaz is going to sort in this game but i think his stay at the PD is overdue you can never perfect something and this is why i feel we need a new sense of direction not these bland sunday cups that have been the same since gt3
i still love the game but i feel some of the gt series has went back not forwards and i think gt2 and 3 were still the best and gt4 was just gt3 renamed with a couple extra stuff chucked in and i feel that gt5 is gt4 HD and a couple of cars chucked in as a good will gesture then 50 skylines to bump up the car count
the game feels rushed and its been in the making since 2004/05 hmm?
My god... F1 2010 runs at 30 FPS ffs.
Some of the posts in this thread are hilarious!
Death of the series, GT4 upscaled, **** me. GT stuck in the past...
How about the Rain implementation. You also have a track editor, real time damage, brand new physics engine built from the ground up etc. The PS3 has its issues that limit the game and not the other way around. People expected this game to be bigger then GT4 but it was never going to happen. This is the GT3 or the PS3. Smaller content 'i'm talking cars and tracks' but a massive change.
As for the GT stuck in the past, do half you muppets realize that games like Forza don't actually do real time weather change or day/night transitions? It doesn't do snow, it doesn't do dirt. If there was none of this, the game would run at a seamless 60FPS with fantastic shadowing, but they've gone out of the box.
As for the AI, its marked improvement. Most of you might need to actually think about where you're putting your car. The AI hits you because you cut them off. I've seen AI lunge deep under brakes on me, oversteer and understeer which is something you would never see from previous GT's.
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To me it was really worth the wait and the $100 bucks I spent on it. I love this game, the beautiful tracks, all the cars(premium and standard), the way the cars handle with my Fanatec PWTS wheel. It will keep me happy until GT6 comes out.
For me GT5 is perfect the way it is, it filled the void both FM3 and F1 2010 couldn't fill specially in the driving mechanics.
I know a lot of people are not happy with the game but I really don't care, as long as I am happy that is all that matters to me, if they don't like it they can sell it and buy what ever driving game makes them happy be it arcady or sim.
For me GT5 is perfect the way it is, it filled the void both FM3 and F1 2010 couldn't fill specially in the driving mechanics.
I know a lot of people are not happy with the game but I really don't care, as long as I am happy that is all that matters to me, if they don't like it they can sell it and buy what ever driving game makes them happy be it arcady or sim.
Go to the options and turn the power steering OFF, the first millisecond I played the game I felt the feedback was all wrong, that's the option that was killing it. Much better now: )
5 years is abit of an exaggeration(GT5P, GTPSP but I will give that one). Its been worth the wait, yes. Some would have you believe that the game would be better without the standard cars and certain tracks and we should have had a smaller game.
The extra and unrivalled content has made a huge difference and I enjoy the fact that the premium are insanely good. There is always going to be a GT6 and GT7 so its more of a matter of a good racing game. Which i have dearly missed with the industry focusing on non important aspects of the genre. Arcade racing games are largely in the dump and sim racers have not been so good. I am glad GT is back and puts the focus back into racing. Love the Special events and the huge amount of content. I have been playing for days and still have not tried everything.
The extra and unrivalled content has made a huge difference and I enjoy the fact that the premium are insanely good. There is always going to be a GT6 and GT7 so its more of a matter of a good racing game. Which i have dearly missed with the industry focusing on non important aspects of the genre. Arcade racing games are largely in the dump and sim racers have not been so good. I am glad GT is back and puts the focus back into racing. Love the Special events and the huge amount of content. I have been playing for days and still have not tried everything.
I did this in the chrome line lambo, apparently it is a hatchback. I guess in some crazy upside down world it could be, given the rear door/trunk is basically the same as a hatchbacks. although it doesnt seem at all properly thought out
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No it was not worth the wait. Even though technically I never "waited". Been playing every single racing game out there.
They should have waited until ALL the cars were premium. The standard cars ruined the game. And lets be honest, "premium" vs "standard" cars will go down as the worst idea ever in gaming history and is just a catchy slogan for a game thats not complete. It should not have been released until all the cars were finished. Then they wouldnt have to title the cars as premium or standard.
The game is 20% complete. The only way for GT5 to redeem itself is if they patched the game and made ALL the cars premium.
They should have waited until ALL the cars were premium. The standard cars ruined the game. And lets be honest, "premium" vs "standard" cars will go down as the worst idea ever in gaming history and is just a catchy slogan for a game thats not complete. It should not have been released until all the cars were finished. Then they wouldnt have to title the cars as premium or standard.
The game is 20% complete. The only way for GT5 to redeem itself is if they patched the game and made ALL the cars premium.
I didnt want 5 years.
I've replayed gt1/gt2 and gt4 while also enjoying gt5p.
I'll get bored of gt5 eventually, put the disk away and leave for a couple of years. Then return with the strategy or only using even more insane cars.
When I'm bored of gt5, I'm going to buy gt3. That's another 3-6 months sorted.
I've replayed gt1/gt2 and gt4 while also enjoying gt5p.
I'll get bored of gt5 eventually, put the disk away and leave for a couple of years. Then return with the strategy or only using even more insane cars.
When I'm bored of gt5, I'm going to buy gt3. That's another 3-6 months sorted.
I have said this before, and copped an absolute flaming, and I think an official warning too. But I'll say it again. I would believe that 6 years and 60 (80?) million dollars were invested into kaz's little racing hobby before I would believe even a quarter of the stated time and money was spent on this title. It really seems this was just rushed out as if sony basically said "We are sick of this ****, put whatever systems and subsystems you have together, slap a menu on it and put it in a ****ing box by christmas or your ride is over"
I read somewhere, may have been on a t10 blog that fm3 went from concept to sitting on the shelves in just over 18 months. To be honest, its a pretty good title. The physics arent as good as gt5, the graphics arent as good either, its extremely limited by the x360 hardware, but it seems like it was a game made with a goal, and that goal was worked towards for the duration of the project. GT5 just seems as if they took gt4, upgraded the phyiscs and graphics, and from there decided to do "stuff" with no clear direction to head with the rest of the project.
That said I am really enjoying it for the time being. If already starting to bore a little bit though
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Dude, seriously. Yes, there are triumphs and I have to admit the day to night transition is way cool but there are just way too many HUGE foulups. No racing game should ever dream of bringing in previous gen cars, least of the all the GT franchise. Also, I don't buy for a second about the PS3 not being able to handle it, look at Prologue and how sweet those shadows are. Man, prologue looks way, WAY better than the finished GT5. You know what, you can keep your snow and rain and give us some half decent shadows, 800 better cars, improve the AI again and some proper damage instead. GT5 is old and it needs new blood to make it glorious again. It will always be compared to Forza as that is the only other franchise that comes close and I am sorry to say that as a complete package, Forza 3 is a better game. GT5 has it's moments for sure, and in certain cars on certain tracks it's hard to beat for actual driving experience but Forza is much deeper, much more fun and you can customise your cars all day and all night. Isn't this what GT should be about as well as racing? I say all of this because I want the perfect GT game and I believe, if we ask and demand enough we will get it one day. I hope at least.
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Had to quote the whole thing. Agree completely with CK. 👍200 premium cars is not the only thing that changed from GT4 to GT5. We have a new physics engine, drastically upgrade graphics, day night, rain, snow, etc. I think a lot of the time was spent on infrastructure. In the midst they also had to get GTSP out the door and this surely was not a quick task.
We also need to remember that things do not move as quickly on this current generation of games, it no doubt takes longer to model tracks and premium cars for PS3 than it did in the days of GT4.
I say yes, definitely worth the wait, I'm absolutely loving the game. It has some weak spots, indeed the standards do look kind of crummy, but I've been surprised actually by how much fun some of them are to drive. I stumbled onto a 90's Mazda RX-7 that was just a boatload of fun.
A few little missing things I could nitpick on, but overall GT5 is an awesome game in it's own right, and surely a stepping stone to a more expansive GT6 now that a lot of the groundwork is laid. Even if it was another 5 years away, I'm absolutely certain I'd be playing GT5 the whole way through and happily.
Well, except for one point. I think only a few of the Standards look crummy. I've watched several of the Standard car demo runs, and other than the dark windows on the windowed cars, I honestly can't tell they're Standard. And I'm using a new 47" LG LED. Wish I'd bought a Bravia though...
Anyhow, going back to it shortly. After all, I've waited five years for this baby.
One more thing. I think it's quite funny after a long rant that some of you add at the end, "Still the best racer out there and am loving it."
Still, Kaz does need to know that some stuff could stand to be polished up. Considering though that he's already stated that GT5 would be improved over the coming year or more, I wouldn't get too upset just yet.Forza uses the same car models from FM1, bugs and all. And that "deep" game (F3) had me quitting after two months because T10 just can't seem to produce a Forza without breaking something.
As for Prologue, yeah it does look better. But Prologue wasn't built with a 3D engine that supported daylight transition. I guess until we get the ultimate Playstation, there will be compromises.
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I think the long development cycle did more harm than good. In video gaming, 5 years is like a whole generation in real life. Basically, PD spent 5 years trying to perfect the visuals that they forgot GT is more than just a good looking and driving game. At the end of the day, GT is a video gaming, and that's where its short comings are. I guess what PD really needs is a guy who gets video games as much as Kaz gets cars.
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Nope, i dont think it worth the wait, its a great simulator but theres so many wrongs things about the game itself.
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I have seen GT5 drop to below 30 FPS in weather at times and it's quite often no where near 60FPS.
I will point out that 24 Hour Leman on Dreamcast did 24 cars on track at once with day night and changing weather with nary a stutter.
I will also point out that GT5P did neither weather nor day night and wasn't frame locked 60 FPS either. Your assumptions don't hold up.
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Only played arcade since mom doesnt like me using the bigscreen and i got my room tv taken away so long ago i dont even remember what it was for. did about 3 races on the controller and it was quite good, now i need to find how to get it up with a wheel and everything.
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Nope, but I still think it's a really good game. But I miss alot from previus GT-games.
To be honest, I was more impressed by GT5P.
To be honest, I was more impressed by GT5P.
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