500PP Non-Race Cars Super Lap: Tsukuba Circuit
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- Jylland
- Roweer63
up until a few months ago, i -sort of randomly- did about half of the TT's with -and the other half without AS. My experiences are that it will help you handle the combo faster and thus make an early fast lap. But if you're a very frequent player, which i'm sure you are @Kossie (even if you're only spending half the time you're on here, driving 
), you will eventually be able to drive just as fast -perhaps even faster without use of AS.
Some times i did a few sessions without AS and then "turned it on". What i sensed was that the car tended to react slower to my inputs, resulting in me overshooting the turns -in the early stages at least.
-And take a look at the leaderboards: I don't think the aliens are not using AS, just because they're skilled. I'm quite sure it also makes them faster.
So my advice to a very frequent player is: Turn it off! (It also gives you more street credit along these pages
)
As far as TC goes, I've used that also with very powerful cars, but as i know it definitely makes a car slower coming out of corners, i always gradually "turned it down" as i was learning the combo, 'till i could turn it off.
Now i'm with @Ed_Night: ABS 1 only and not going back! (though not for any political reason.)
I'm doing 58.628 (there's a high .4XX in it for me) with a DS3 with Doodles supposedly quite uncontrollable setup -and i also qualify for any setup posted as i'll turn 53 on friday
..Bunch of old farts playing
Thanks for posting your Setup @Doodle 👍
EDIT: ...And thank you yourself Kossie (i think yours was the basis of Doodle's tune..
), you will eventually be able to drive just as fast -perhaps even faster without use of AS.Some times i did a few sessions without AS and then "turned it on". What i sensed was that the car tended to react slower to my inputs, resulting in me overshooting the turns -in the early stages at least.
-And take a look at the leaderboards: I don't think the aliens are not using AS, just because they're skilled. I'm quite sure it also makes them faster.
So my advice to a very frequent player is: Turn it off! (It also gives you more street credit along these pages
)As far as TC goes, I've used that also with very powerful cars, but as i know it definitely makes a car slower coming out of corners, i always gradually "turned it down" as i was learning the combo, 'till i could turn it off.
Now i'm with @Ed_Night: ABS 1 only and not going back! (though not for any political reason.)
I'm doing 58.628 (there's a high .4XX in it for me) with a DS3 with Doodles supposedly quite uncontrollable setup -and i also qualify for any setup posted as i'll turn 53 on friday
..Bunch of old farts playingThanks for posting your Setup @Doodle 👍
EDIT: ...And thank you yourself Kossie (i think yours was the basis of Doodle's tune..
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- Kissimmee, Florida
- wedjim
I tried AS and some of the other AIDS, but it was too weird to drive the car. You can feel it correcting stuff and stopping slides and doing things your not asking for.
I went nearly two seconds slower. Seriously.
I did bump up traction control, the DS3 has an 1/8 inch window between not going and smoking the tires....mine does. Need a new one, or an adjustment to sensitivity....but not worth it for one event.
I went nearly two seconds slower. Seriously.
I did bump up traction control, the DS3 has an 1/8 inch window between not going and smoking the tires....mine does. Need a new one, or an adjustment to sensitivity....but not worth it for one event.
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- London, United Kingdom
- BenMillard
The extreme sensitivity of R2 on the DS3 when mapped to throttle in GT6 is real.
In GTA5 I can park a car and rev the engine to any level I choose, hearing the corresponding change in pitch. The control feels linear and uses nearly the whole physical movement.
In GT6 the final 25% of physical movement becomes 100% throttle in the game. There's like 1mm of physical movement where it goes from 60% to 100% just before this. Below that it's fairly linear and there's no dead zone at the low end.
In the GT2 days on original PlayStation I used right stick for gas and brake, since the buttons were simply on/off. Helped massively. Some DS3 players still use stick throttle so they can access points within the 60-100% range more easily. Almost as easily as a pedal user.
L2 set as brake in GT6 still seems to have a big dead zone at the end of the physical motion. But it acts way more linear before that.
These are official DS3 controllers - I've used cheap copies and honestly, there's no comparison when you are regularly chasing that last 0.1 second.
In GTA5 I can park a car and rev the engine to any level I choose, hearing the corresponding change in pitch. The control feels linear and uses nearly the whole physical movement.
In GT6 the final 25% of physical movement becomes 100% throttle in the game. There's like 1mm of physical movement where it goes from 60% to 100% just before this. Below that it's fairly linear and there's no dead zone at the low end.
In the GT2 days on original PlayStation I used right stick for gas and brake, since the buttons were simply on/off. Helped massively. Some DS3 players still use stick throttle so they can access points within the 60-100% range more easily. Almost as easily as a pedal user.
L2 set as brake in GT6 still seems to have a big dead zone at the end of the physical motion. But it acts way more linear before that.
These are official DS3 controllers - I've used cheap copies and honestly, there's no comparison when you are regularly chasing that last 0.1 second.
Kossie; Edit: Couple chances on my tune:
Using 183 kg and set the ballast on +8.
LSD: 8-7-25
Thanks you two guys. Used Ford's tune except for Kossie's LSD and ballast position.
Finally made it into the 58's with 58.930 for pos #125.
Using 183 kg and set the ballast on +8.
LSD: 8-7-25
0:59.221, thanks @Kossie for your LSD settings.
Thanks you two guys. Used Ford's tune except for Kossie's LSD and ballast position.
Finally made it into the 58's with 58.930 for pos #125.
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- United Kingdom
- StirlingMoose
There are two in the top ten using AS. When I tried it using Doodle's tune I was slower. The car felt very lifeless and I couldn't get enough rotation. I think the aliens using it are probably tuning specifically to exploit AS, using a very unstable set-up that would be hard to drive without it and using AS to calm it down again. It seems self-defeating but I guess they can gain some advantage.
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- Netherlands
- bernies123
I dont know how that aliens do it... . I follow Doodle's ghost one time. In the first 3 corners it is close but then he is a way must faster. I think it is the setup/tune/wheel. I drive with his tune but in the first corner im done Is a wheel really more stable to drive with it? With a joystick and traction on 0 i also sucks. I know i need to learn with that but i think its too late....
On the next gt I'm present with no steering help and only ABS on 1. I'm just not a good driver and must learn it.
Is a wheel really more stable to drive with it? With a joystick and traction on 0 i also sucks. I know i need to learn with that but i think its too late....On the next gt I'm present with no steering help and only ABS on 1. I'm just not a good driver and must learn it.
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- Netherlands
- bernies123
If you go for a fast time you destroy him. But okay, He is on place 8. Maybe a lucky lap? I dont know. Fact=fastest drivers using a wheel. I think only with a 2J/chappie tt there is no much different. Correct me if im wrong. I think with a wheel is more stable. You need to learn that ofcourse... Also with a DS3. I'm happy that im Almost (if i want) can get in the top 300 with a DS3.
I think if you train a lot you one of the best drivers, I see you driving on tracks with a underdog care and you still making top times
You pick up the X-Bow(apricot?) on a event and make a top 5 place 
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If you go for a fast time you destroy him. But okay, He is on place 8. Maybe a lucky lap? I dont know. Fact=fastest drivers using a wheel. I think only with a 2J/chappie tt there is no much different. Correct me if im wrong. I think with a wheel is more stable. You need to learn that ofcourse... Also with a DS3. I'm happy that im Almost (if i want) can in the top 300 with a DS3.
I think if you train a lot you one of the best drivers, I see you driving on tracks with a underdog care and you still making top times
I think he can destroy me everytime he wants.
I started with time trials in the last days of GT5, i was using AT and was very happy to finish in the
top 100.
At this time he already had top 5 finishes.
For the wheel its the same as for the DS3, if you practice enough and you have got the talent than you'll be fast.
The only disadvantage of the DS3 is the steering angle. Maybe you remember the Nascar TT at Willow.
Wheel drivers were able to take the fast right hander flat, with DS3 you had to go off throttle for a
moment.
- 448
- Melbourne
But you can....and it's not that hard to change.
You are right, it does take practice. But you say that you practice a lot to learn a track so that you can put down great times in a TT. Put some of that practice into learning MT too.
I swapped to MT (using DS3) during the recent 4WD TT at Eiger. It took me a few hours over 2 days to match my AT time, and I'm not that good a driver. At the start I would often forget to change gears and wonder why I was going so slow until I looked down to see that I was maxing out 2nd gear!
I have used AT only once since changing, for the 700PP Race Car TT at Eifel. The lap pace in this twisty TT was too manic for me to keep up with the gear changes.MT is great. Certainly a beneficial and fun addition to the driving experience in GT compared to AT. Being able to shift gears at will helps me a lot with where the car 'is at' on the track and to control the gear you are in (I have found) helps me greatly with cornering speed.
Do it 👍
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- Canada
- hotsaucer
Isn't the whole point of racing games to have a wheel? A good wheel adds so much realism with force feedback etc, GT6 is very good with this. I believe between the wheel/controller the differences are great enough to say it's the difference between playing a racing game and a racing simulation. It's also way more fun, a bit of a workout sometimes (all the better) but you can always change steering sensitivity and force feedback strength.
@Kossie can't believe you are able to be that fast with AT gears and controller all the time. Truly impressive you should invest in a wheel!
@Kossie can't believe you are able to be that fast with AT gears and controller all the time. Truly impressive you should invest in a wheel!
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- Kentucky
- barrett5
- BarrettMopar
I was able to get 1:01.5 in a Ram. If any of you faster drivers are tired of driving a glorified motorcycle, I'm sure getting gold in a big pickup would be a fun challenge.
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