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I also use DS3, the wheelspin is perfectly controllable...
For me, 500PP was enough...Great lap times, btw! 👍
A-spec Expert Level British Lightweights: Brands Hatch GP Circuit
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I also use DS3, the wheelspin is perfectly controllable...
For me, 500PP was enough...Great lap times, btw! 👍
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
No, I won't. Look, just because I may finish in the top 50 here in these time trials doesn't mean crap. I've explained my feelings on this before but I guess I have to do it again. Judging my skill set by where I finish in these Seasonal Time Trials is a false positive in my opinion. Not everyone participates in these things and certainly not all of the aliens/fast guys make an appearance. I judge my skill level from how I finish in each years Academy. This last year, I finished in the 1,400's. Now, that's reality and to me a more definite example of my skill set which I deem to be average. If you want to think of yourself as above average, then that's certainly up to you. I'm not sure where you are basing that judgment from, but again, that's on you and I'm certainly not going to disagree with you and your assessment of yourself. I hope I have made myself clear here on how/why I rate myself the way I do. I'm just an average player....a minnow amongst whales, if you will.
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No, I won't. Look, just because I may finish in the top 50 here in these time trials doesn't mean crap. I've explained my feelings on this before but I guess I have to do it again. Judging my skill set by where I finish in these Seasonal Time Trials is a false positive in my opinion. Not everyone participates in these things and certainly not all of the aliens/fast guys make an appearance. I judge my skill level from how I finish in each years Academy. This last year, I finished in the 1,400's. Now, that's reality and to me a more definite example of my skill set which I deem to be average. If you want to think of yourself as above average, then that's certainly up to you. I'm not sure where you are basing that judgment from, but again, that's on you and I'm certainly not going to disagree with you and your assessment of yourself. I hope I have made myself clear here on how/why I rate myself the way I do. I'm just an average player....a minnow amongst whales, if you will.
Why so serious?
I don't consider tuner events as a basis for skill, I consider exact car on exact track a basis for skill, and with literally millions of users participating in these...I think I can confidently say I'm above average. If you want to think of yourself as below average...compared to aliens...then do so, I'm not talking about aliens...I'm talking about humans.
No hard feelings, it was a compliment...
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I also use DS3, the wheelspin is perfectly controllable...
Great lap times, btw! 👍
The wheel-spin is almost certainly an issue with my driving, not the tune. I drive weird, using scrub speed more than brakes, and I like cars that I can use early on the throttle, stuff like that. Thanks for the compliment
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
I don't consider tuner events as a basis for skill, I consider exact car on exact track a basis for skill - Which is precisely why I use the Academy as my base to rank my skill level.
and with literally millions of users participating in these - Do you have proof of this, I'd like to see those numbers please.
If you want to think of yourself as below average...compared to aliens...then do so, I'm not talking about aliens...I'm talking about humans - I never said I was below average. I said I was average as compared to the rest of the players. And we are all human, some are just better than others.
Why so serious? - I'm not, I'm just pointing out what I believe to be reality.
Also used a 111R tuned for 509 PP needed mid turbo and 2nd stage engine tune for 311 HP. Laps of 1:34-1:36 needed but the Rocket is not very fast, just need to rundown 12 seconds per lap. Other cars at 520 PP should be able to do it but there's not a lot of selection for 1200 kg class.
As a point of reference here ste some recent Time Trial Gold Standard Lap times:
580 SH 1:34.0 Brands Hatch
583 SH 1:34.5 Brands Hatch
480 SH 1:41.0 Brands Hatch
So the 520pp is right in there as a equivalent skill event.
As a point of reference here ste some recent Time Trial Gold Standard Lap times:
580 SH 1:34.0 Brands Hatch
583 SH 1:34.5 Brands Hatch
480 SH 1:41.0 Brands Hatch
So the 520pp is right in there as a equivalent skill event.
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Why so serious? - I'm not, I'm just pointing out what I believe to be reality.
I see why you get a bad rap, I was trying to give you a compliment, and you've basically turned it into an argument. No thanks, peace out
I see why you get a bad rap, I was trying to give you a compliment, and you've basically turned it into an argument. No thanks, peace out
That's a little disingenuous and some false modesty. 1400 out of 100,000+ entrants is hardly "average". Be happy, you are in the top 2% !No, I won't. Look, just because I may finish in the top 50 here in these time trials doesn't mean crap. I've explained my feelings on this before but I guess I have to do it again. Judging my skill set by where I finish in these Seasonal Time Trials is a false positive in my opinion. Not everyone participates in these things and certainly not all of the aliens/fast guys make an appearance. I judge my skill level from how I finish in each years Academy. This last year, I finished in the 1,400's. Now, that's reality and to me a more definite example of my skill set which I deem to be average. If you want to think of yourself as above average, then that's certainly up to you. I'm not sure where you are basing that judgment from, but again, that's on you and I'm certainly not going to disagree with you and your assessment of yourself. I hope I have made myself clear here on how/why I rate myself the way I do. I'm just an average player....a minnow amongst whales, if you will.
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- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
I see why you get a bad rap, I was trying to give you a compliment, and you've basically turned it into an argument. No thanks, peace out
Why, because I choose to look at things differently than you and have no problem stating as much. If that makes me evil, then guilty as charged I guess.
@Polsixe So you are saying that I am not being sincere when I say that I believe that I am just an average player? Wow, so I'm a liar now too?
Guess I'll be taking you off my Christmas list. 
Seriously now though, lets just forget I exist and carry on with the thread, this is going nowhere. I apologize for being here.
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No man, it's all good
- 5,686
- Ohio
So anyways, there seems to be two different Rocket rabbit races. The one with the Fireblade only needed a 9:08. The one without the Fireblade I needed faster than 9:00
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I have raced it several times with no Rocket at all, and the Fireblade is the lead car. I pass it on the 3rd lap. First lap is a 1:32, then the rest are 1:31/1:30.
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- United States
Good catch, explains why I had little trouble with the Rocket yesterday and fought to catch him today.
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- Medina, Ohio
- Disabled_Racer
I did a little modifying to the soft suspension setting on the TVR T350C that was posted earlier. Try this setup out and let me know what you think, and if it worked for you.
Ride Height - 85/85
Spring Rate - 7.50/8.60
Dampers Compression - 1/1
Dampers Extension - 1/1
Anti-Roll Bars - 1/1
Camber - 0.9/1.5
Toe Angle - 0.0/0.66
Brakes 4/1
Transmission - Auto Set 155 mph.
Drivetrain Settings
Torque - 14
Acceleration Sensitivity - 16
Braking Sensitivity - 23
Power Limiter 80%
Stage 1
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Manifold
Catalytic Converter Sports
Intake Tuning
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction
Max Power 397 HP.
Weight - 1041 kg
Oil change and restore body rigidity.
ABS - 1
TC - 1
DrivingForce wheel using automatic transmission.
Ride Height - 85/85
Spring Rate - 7.50/8.60
Dampers Compression - 1/1
Dampers Extension - 1/1
Anti-Roll Bars - 1/1
Camber - 0.9/1.5
Toe Angle - 0.0/0.66
Brakes 4/1
Transmission - Auto Set 155 mph.
Drivetrain Settings
Torque - 14
Acceleration Sensitivity - 16
Braking Sensitivity - 23
Power Limiter 80%
Stage 1
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Manifold
Catalytic Converter Sports
Intake Tuning
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction
Max Power 397 HP.
Weight - 1041 kg
Oil change and restore body rigidity.
ABS - 1
TC - 1
DrivingForce wheel using automatic transmission.
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- Massachusetts
Oh man...I don't remember who the last car was that I had to pass -- because there was someone that I was lapping and I thought was the final guy, but then he wasn't... Umm, I know it wasn't the LCC Rocket and there were a ton of other Lotus's in the event. Maybe another 111R? Is that possible? I didn't drive my best for five laps, and I had a 5 second win so clearly the rabbit in my race wasn't anything spectacular. I'm assuming you and I are running the same tune!Who was the rabbit in your race? I've been using my 111R '04 as well... love that car. Was able to win fairly easily when the Fireblade was the rabbit, but then I tried again with the Rocket as the rabbit to see if I could do it... I keep coming up 2-4 seconds short. I can see from other posts in this thread that I need to be Pulling 1:34-35 laps to win, and I'm pulling 1:36-1:37. I'm going to see if going up to 520pp gets me those extra seconds... unfortunately I can't seem to do it on skill alone
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- Medina, Ohio
- Disabled_Racer
Fasted car I've tried so far is the Lotus Evora. (8:57.898)
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- Oregon
- Comrade-Shepard
Got lucky and got the Elise 111R as my rabbit. So I turned all the driver aids off except TC1, ABS, and AT.
First attempt: got 2nd. Total time: 9:49.050 (lost by 7.601), best lap: 1:42.989. (Yesterday, with the same tune and all the driver aids except ASC, driving quite badly the first two laps, I got a total time of 9:17.066 and a best lap of 1:37.906—the driver aids clearly make quite a difference!)
After that loss, I applied a tune @ALB123 provided for the 111R and won it, though not easily. (In my defense, I might be a bit tired tonight and not doing my best driving! )
Total time: 9:33.400 (won by 1.839), best lap: 1:41.241.
So it definitely doesn't look like I could beat the Rocket, but whatever. I'll take it.
Interestingly, note that, given my win/loss times, we can see that the 111R rabbit I was chasing changed its overall times quite a bit, despite the fact that I never "left the race" between my attempts. In my losing race, its overall time was (I assume, based upon what I wrote down for my time and the gap) a 9:41.449 and on my winning race it was a 9:35.239. Though I suppose that's not a completely unrealistic "margin of error" for five consecutive laps, though it means its average lap time was 1.242 second quicker a lap on my winning race.
First attempt: got 2nd. Total time: 9:49.050 (lost by 7.601), best lap: 1:42.989. (Yesterday, with the same tune and all the driver aids except ASC, driving quite badly the first two laps, I got a total time of 9:17.066 and a best lap of 1:37.906—the driver aids clearly make quite a difference!)
After that loss, I applied a tune @ALB123 provided for the 111R and won it, though not easily. (In my defense, I might be a bit tired tonight and not doing my best driving!
)Total time: 9:33.400 (won by 1.839), best lap: 1:41.241.
So it definitely doesn't look like I could beat the Rocket, but whatever. I'll take it.
Interestingly, note that, given my win/loss times, we can see that the 111R rabbit I was chasing changed its overall times quite a bit, despite the fact that I never "left the race" between my attempts. In my losing race, its overall time was (I assume, based upon what I wrote down for my time and the gap) a 9:41.449 and on my winning race it was a 9:35.239. Though I suppose that's not a completely unrealistic "margin of error" for five consecutive laps, though it means its average lap time was 1.242 second quicker a lap on my winning race.
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- 5,161
- Massachusetts
I'm glad that tune came in handy @RobertM525. @luv2drive and I fiddled with a few setups for the Lotus Elise 111R on the last Seasonal Event Intermediate Event that used SSR5. He deserves credit as well...I know that you already knew that, but I just wanted others in this thread to know...
I just had a strange experience on this event. I'm speeding along, on lap 4 out of 5, just about to make my move to take the lead in the race at Surtees and all of a sudden my car feels like it has no power!!
I see the RPMs dropping and speedometer needle dropping and I downshifted to see if that would somehow kick my power back in. I'm behaving like I'm in a real car and it's starting to bog... A panic sinks in as I see the leader just pulling away from me...He disappears down the hill. 
I press the start button on my DFGT. The steering was working fine...What the heck could it be?! I reach around to the front of the shifter and wouldn't you know, the multi-pin plug that connects the pedals to the wheel/controller somehow disconnected. 
I've never had that happen while I was in the middle of driving. I plugged it back in, pressed the gas pedal and the game resumed and I caught that 🤬 rabbit and passed him side-by-side on Paddock Hill Bend.
The car I took out was my 2009 Lotus Evora. I've had this GT4 Replica Tune by Ridox setup on this car for a while and I really like the way it drives. I don't know why, but I decided to modify it for this race. Ridox's replica calls for 505PP and I'm sure the race car be won with that PP level, but I just felt like running it at the full 520PP and I moved some weight around to give a 45:55 weight distribution. I do highly recommend his tune. It's a fantastically fun drive!
I just had a strange experience on this event. I'm speeding along, on lap 4 out of 5, just about to make my move to take the lead in the race at Surtees and all of a sudden my car feels like it has no power!!
I see the RPMs dropping and speedometer needle dropping and I downshifted to see if that would somehow kick my power back in. I'm behaving like I'm in a real car and it's starting to bog... A panic sinks in as I see the leader just pulling away from me...He disappears down the hill. I press the start button on my DFGT. The steering was working fine...What the heck could it be?! I reach around to the front of the shifter and wouldn't you know, the multi-pin plug that connects the pedals to the wheel/controller somehow disconnected. I've never had that happen while I was in the middle of driving. I plugged it back in, pressed the gas pedal and the game resumed and I caught that 🤬 rabbit and passed him side-by-side on Paddock Hill Bend. The car I took out was my 2009 Lotus Evora. I've had this GT4 Replica Tune by Ridox setup on this car for a while and I really like the way it drives. I don't know why, but I decided to modify it for this race. Ridox's replica calls for 505PP and I'm sure the race car be won with that PP level, but I just felt like running it at the full 520PP and I moved some weight around to give a 45:55 weight distribution. I do highly recommend his tune. It's a fantastically fun drive!
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- Qld
- antmeg26
an elise '11 can look like a 111R. ihave lapped these a few times. lolOh man...I don't remember who the last car was that I had to pass -- because there was someone that I was lapping and I thought was the final guy, but then he wasn't... Umm, I know it wasn't the LCC Rocket and there were a ton of other Lotus's in the event. Maybe another 111R? Is that possible? I didn't drive my best for five laps, and I had a 5 second win so clearly the rabbit in my race wasn't anything spectacular. I'm assuming you and I are running the same tune!
i can recommend top performance tune on the 111R @GT 6tunes site. beat the LCC with 8.57 at 500pp
https://sites.google.com/site/gt6tunes/general
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- Virginia
I'm having a heck of a time trying to even get close on this one. Can anyone recommend a Praiano Tuned Car that works well for this race. I tried the TVR Tuscan 6 but the tranny setting Dr P wrote down don't make any sense. The "initial final" gear is 3,730 and the final gear is also 3,730. Then the "initial speed" is listed as 0 kph/0 mph. I was going to just ask his Holiness directly but I figured this way I might get some other ideas for cars to use.
It sounds like people are having success with the same rocket but I can't find a tune lower 600pp. Obviously I'm having some trouble getting past this race. I like "expert" level races, but as of now this is falling u dear the category of "impossible" for me right now. So if anyone is feeling generous as we celebrate Thanksgiving, I'd really appreciate any help I can get. I'm an average driver with zero tuning skills, so thanks in advance for your feedback.
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
Chris
It sounds like people are having success with the same rocket but I can't find a tune lower 600pp. Obviously I'm having some trouble getting past this race. I like "expert" level races, but as of now this is falling u dear the category of "impossible" for me right now
. So if anyone is feeling generous as we celebrate Thanksgiving, I'd really appreciate any help I can get. I'm an average driver with zero tuning skills, so thanks in advance for your feedback. Happy Holidays everyone!!!
Chris
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- La Cambrouse
- IGURAG11
I'm having a heck of a time trying to even get close on this one. Can anyone recommend a Praiano Tuned Car that works well for this race. I tried the TVR Tuscan 6 but the tranny setting Dr P wrote down don't make any sense. The "initial final" gear is 3,730 and the final gear is also 3,730. Then the "initial speed" is listed as 0 kph/0 mph. I was going to just ask his Holiness directly but I figured this way I might get some other ideas for cars to use.
It sounds like people are having success with the same rocket but I can't find a tune lower 600pp. Obviously I'm having some trouble getting past this race. I like "expert" level races, but as of now this is falling u dear the category of "impossible" for me right now
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
Chris
On Praiano's Tuscan you must not install a custom gearbox, that's why. Use stock one.
I would recommend his Cerbera Speed 6 and his Lotus Esprit V8 02, for instance.
Have a nice drive!
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- Prague
- JudgeFudge89
Won this with Elise 111R using some old 1.09 tune. That was a close victory around 0,300 of a second, overtaking the rocket in the last corner before finish.
I liked the car a lot so i decided to try the Bowtie-muscle Speedshop tune suggested in this tread.
First two tries i couldn't really get used to the car so my lap times were 1:38-1:40, which was only good for second.
On my third try i was consistently putting down 1:36 laps. At the beginning of the final lap i was 6 seconds behind the leading rocket, so i thought i will overtake it somewhere close to the finish line again... But the rabbit rocket decided it needed to eat some sand in the second corner. Won by 4 seconds, kind of disappointed :-/
Also i don't think anybody mentioned here that Vauxhall VX220 Turbo (UK version of Opel Speedster Turbo) is quite capable of winning. With full power upgrades, rear wing, stage 2 weight reduction, racing brakes and very dumb suspension and transmission setup i managed to do a 1:37 lap with it. So i guess with some proper tuning it can easily do 1:35-1:36. I didn't find any tunes for it here in the forum, and i don't have a clue about tuning myself.
I liked the car a lot so i decided to try the Bowtie-muscle Speedshop tune suggested in this tread.
First two tries i couldn't really get used to the car so my lap times were 1:38-1:40, which was only good for second.
On my third try i was consistently putting down 1:36 laps. At the beginning of the final lap i was 6 seconds behind the leading rocket, so i thought i will overtake it somewhere close to the finish line again... But the rabbit rocket decided it needed to eat some sand in the second corner. Won by 4 seconds, kind of disappointed :-/
Also i don't think anybody mentioned here that Vauxhall VX220 Turbo (UK version of Opel Speedster Turbo) is quite capable of winning. With full power upgrades, rear wing, stage 2 weight reduction, racing brakes and very dumb suspension and transmission setup i managed to do a 1:37 lap with it. So i guess with some proper tuning it can easily do 1:35-1:36. I didn't find any tunes for it here in the forum, and i don't have a clue about tuning myself.
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