A-spec Expert Level Dirt Trial: Toscana

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Help please. I've tried a few cars. Best outcome is the Quattro S1 in 3rd place at 6:35. This is after several tries. I'm using a Praiano tune powered down to 500. Dr P is usually my goto guy but he doesn't have any rally cars from what I can see.

I see a lot of you winning pretty easily with stock cars, so I must stink at dirt tracks. Can someone please suggest a car and a tune that help the dirt track challenged like myself. Thank you very much!
 
chrisdittmer
I see a lot of you winning pretty easily with stock cars, so I must stink at dirt tracks. Can someone please suggest a car and a tune that help the dirt track challenged like myself. Thank you very much!
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Not so much the car, but how you approach the track... any of the 4WD WRC cars will win the event easy enough.

In true rally driver style, make sure you're cutting wherever you can - there's a huge amount more grip on the grass at the side of the track than there is on the dirt, so cutting gives BIG advantages. Avoid going sideways as much as possible as this slows you down... OK to get the rear sliding a bit on entry, but you want the car straight by the apex so you get a faster exit.

A few general (basic) tuning tips...

Max downforce
Soft suspension (springs & shocks)
High ride height (use lower rear to reduce understeer)
Set camber and toe to 0 f & r (add some -ve rear toe to make the car turn a bit better)
More rear bias on the brakes (5,7 for example)
50 50 center diff
LSD decel to 5 f & r
LSD accel to c.25 f & r
LSD initial to 5 f & r
Short gears

The WRC cars are all turbo with plenty of torque, so you can short shift to reduce wheelspin on the exits.

Good luck 👍
 
Here's a tune...

Subaru Impreza Rally Car '99
No oil change, no chassis strengthening

Ride 160 130
Spring 7.05 6.41
Bound 4 4
Rebound 4 4
ARB 5 5
Toe 0 0
Camber 0 0
Brakes 4 7
Gears stock with final @ 4.996
Initial 5 5
Accel 20 30
Decel 5 5
Center diff 50 50
High RPM turbo
Power limiter 91.1%
Downforce 150 350

Just a quick tune, but will run sub 6 minutes...

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GTFireball
My big objective with that car is to keep the back from becoming the front:)
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I had a couple of goes with it, but not managed to get any higher than 3rd so far... might do it with a proper tune, but it's bloody difficult to keep it in a straight line :lol:
 
Mt. Lynx
Tip for racing snow/dirt with a FF wheel: turn FF off! It takes a little while to get used to how sensitive the steering is, but you do get rid of the heavy vibrations, and that fearful feeling that the wheel will shatter!
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Yeah, I just turned mine down to 5/5 on the FF and such on the G-27 otherwise the wife said it has to go outside?? Was OK after that. I normally run 8/10!!
Cheers, Pete
 
Stotty
Here's a tune...

Subaru Impreza Rally Car '99
No oil change, no chassis strengthening

Ride 160 130
Spring 7.05 6.41
Bound 4 4
Rebound 4 4
ARB 5 5
Toe 0 0
Camber 0 0
Brakes 4 7
Gears stock with final @ 4.996
Initial 5 5
Accel 20 30
Decel 5 5
Center diff 50 50
High RPM turbo
Power limiter 91.1%
Downforce 150 350

Just a quick tune, but will run sub 6 minutes...


I had a couple of goes with it, but not managed to get any higher than 3rd so far... might do it with a proper tune, but it's bloody difficult to keep it in a straight line :lol:
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Ya got skilz man:tup::bowdown:
 
Stotty
I had a couple of goes with it, but not managed to get any higher than 3rd so far... might do it with a proper tune, but it's bloody difficult to keep it in a straight line :lol:
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Put a wing on it (:yuck:), use the grass areas as much as you can and you should be able to win it. Oh and try to have the Delta S4 or something slower as a rabbit :lol:

I did it with ~260hp and stock weight. More power makes it harder to handle the car and less weight doesn't really seem to have much effect here...
 
If anyone interested to drive something different :) These cars might be harder to win, but they should give good fun nonetheless :) The wagon is great :sly:

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Toyota Motorsports GmbH 86GT CS-R3 Rally Car

Tuned to replicate TMG 86GT CS R3 Rally Car - based on CS V3 Cup
Sports Medium / Dirt / Snow​





CAR : Toyota 86GT '12 or Scion FR-S '12 or Subaru BRZ S '12
Tire : Sports Medium / Dirt / Snow

Specs
Horsepower: 266 HP at 7600 RPM
Torque: 187.1 ft-lb at 7100 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 1080 kg
Ballast : 35 kg
Ballast Position : -36
Weight Distribution : 54 / 46 - same as CS V3 86GT Cup Car it's based on.
Performance Points: 456


GT AUTO
Oil change
Wheels : Standard Size - any wheels. ( Dirt and Snow have preset wheel )
Rear Wing : Custom Wing Type A
Improve Body Rigidity ( INSTALLED ) -MANDATORY- as the rally spec will have welded rollcage and body reinforcement.
Car Paint : White or any color.



Tuning Parts Installed :
Sports Computer
Semi Racing Exhaust ( R3 spec requires silencer )
Intake Tuning ( R3 spec allows intake manifold modification within certain limitation )
Catalytic Converter Sports
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Fully Customizable Suspension
Full Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission



Suspension - OHLINS TTX44 Rally Spec Coilover Gr N derived
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 155 150
Spring Rate: 6.50 8.00
Dampers (Compression): 8 4
Dampers (Extension): 7 4
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 2 ( OPTIONAL 4 3 for tighter steering and better response )
Camber Angle: 3.4 1.4 ( TMG base setup max range - front 3.4 +- 0.75, rear 1.2 +- 0.75 - rear non adjustable )
Toe Angle: -0.13 0.20 ( TMG base front toe out 2mm, rear toe in 3mm )


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - R3 spec sequential box with homologated stock gearing + rear diff ratio
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed to 280kmh / 174mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.626
2nd 2.188
3rd 1.541
4th 1.213
5th 1.000
6th 0.767
Set Final Gear : 4.100


LSD - 1.5 way high preload for rally
Initial Torque : 48
Acceleration Sensitivity: 30
Braking Sensitivity: 10


Aero
Front : 0 ( Fixed )
Rear : 20 ( Max )


Brake Balance:
7/8 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 6/7, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/8 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :
The real car is not yet released, but I already made a would be replica :lol: Okay, the TMG 86GT CS R3 rally car is for 2015 season. Based on CS V3 Cup success, TMG plan to enter the rally world with FR 86GT. With different R3 rules than VLN V3, the car has less weight, more power and upgraded with mechanical LSD, rally spec suspension, and sequential gearbox.

The replica is WIP, meaning when the car actually released with additional infos, I will update the tune to reflect the new spec. In the mean time, this will do, built for tarmac, dirt and snow, the tune works for all surfaces, 3 sets of tires ( SM, Dirt and Snow ). The R3 replica tested and tuned at Toscana, Chamonix, Matterhorn, and Eiger Trail.

Have fun sliding with 86 GT, the FR heaven :cheers:


UPDATE : Added TMG Base Alignment in the suspension setup and revised ARB, original ARB value now OPTIONAL. Fixed toe value.
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Lancia Stratos TURBO HF Stradale 500PP version

Lancia Stratos TURBO HF Stradale - special build at 500PP
Comfort Soft to Sports Soft​




CAR : LANCIA STRATOS '73
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Soft

Specs
Horsepower: 363 HP / 368 PS at 7800 RPM
Torque : 265.8 ft-lb at 5800 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 980 kg
Ballast : 99 kg
Ballast Position : -48
Weight Distribution : 46 / 54 - as in real life street version spec.
Performance Points: 500

GT AUTO
Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED ) - OPTIONAL - I have one built with this installed - works great on ABS 0.
Aero Kits Type A
Rear Wing - NO WING
Other Part A ( lights )
Wheels : Standard Size - PDI P525N in GT6 Matte 018
Car Paint : GT6 Metallic 012 Anniversary Deep Blue


Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 1
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Intake Tuning
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Catalytic Converter Sports
Racing Brakes Kit
Twin Plate Clutch
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weigh Reduction Stage 2
Window Weight Reduction



Suspension - Gr4 Eibach ERS Springs and Bilstein Damper Coilover Kit ( 450/475 )
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 120 120
Spring Rate: 8.00 8.48
Dampers (Compression): 6 7
Dampers (Extension): 6 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 6 4
Camber Angle: 0.0 0.0
Toe Angle: 0.10 0.15

Alternative suspension setup for bumpy track :

Ride Height: 130 130
Spring Rate: 8.00 8.48
Dampers (Compression): 6 4
Dampers (Extension): 6 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 6 4
Camber Angle: 0.0 0.0
Toe Angle: 0.10 0.15

LSD - 2 way ZF Plate based LSD low lock, medium preload
Initial Torque : 16
Acceleration Sensitivity: 24
Braking Sensitivity: 24 -increase to 30/37 to reduce brake lift off oversteer if necessary.


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Gr4 Rally Gearset with stock Final Gear
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed to 260kmh / 162mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.143
2nd 2.240
3rd 1.762
4th 1.417
5th 1.154
Set Final : 3.824 or 2.824 for top speed / track with long straight ( Adjust final according to track if necessary )


Brake Balance:
7/5 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/3, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/5 brake balance as starting point.





Notes :
I have this Stratos since release day, used often on cruise lobby online on lesser state of tune. I decided to tune up to 500PP. The weight kept at stock level, with weight distribution fixed to replicate real life car spec ( HF Stradale ). I removed the rear spoiler and installed rally style front lights :D

Using Gr4 spec suspension, LSD and gearing. Suspension comes from Eibach Gr 4 ERS springs, Bilstein Damper with conservative 450/475 spring rate, while LSD from Gr 4 ZF plate based LSD with max lock set at 40%. For gearing, I used Gr 4 Stratos HF Rally close ratio gearset to make sure the engine stays on the sweet spot range.

With the tune, this Stratos Turbo HF Stradale works on comfort soft and below if you are a throttle master ;), all sports tire and also has been tested on racing hard with good result. Minor differences with the 450PP, the front ARB has been increased, higher rear toe in for better traction/stability. LSD initial torque has been adjusted to reflect the higher engine torque. Turbo kit has been installed, giving much higher torque and peak HP. Final gear 2.824 is highly recommended for high speed tracks like Nordschleife.

Tuned and tested at Tsukuba, Bathurst, Big Willow, Nurb GP/F and Nordschleife :D The car is pretty stable, with good rotation, always brake smoothly, apply a bit of throttle when lifting the brakes to avoid excessive rotation. When the car pushes/understeer, reduce throttle - do not lift off all of a sudden, modulate at around 50%, this will make the car rotate smoothly. And lastly, do not jerk the steering when on a curve or driving at high speed, the car do not like rough steering input :)

ENJOY :cheers:
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Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B '96 Rally Car
Special Build of Legacy GT-B Rally
Comfort Soft to Sports Soft / Dirt / Snow​





CAR : Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B '96
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Soft / Dirt / Snow

Specs
Horsepower: 320 HP at 6600 RPM
Torque: 333.0 ft-lb at 5000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 85.1%
Weight: 1220 kg
Ballast : 44 kg
Ballast Position : -43
Weight Distribution : 60 / 40 as in real life
Performance Points: 474


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED in this build ) - Optional
Wheels : +1 Inch Up - RAYS TE37SL in Black
Car Paint : Vintage Green Mica or any color you want.


Tuning Parts Installed :
Semi Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter Sports
Intake Tuning
Mid RPM Range Turbo Kit
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch Kit
Carbon Drive Shaft
Torque Distributing Center Differential
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Racing Brakes Kit

​

Suspension - Ohlins PCV Coil Over Kit
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 160 160
Spring Rate: 4.20 6.10
Dampers (Compression): 6 5
Dampers (Extension): 7 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 4
Camber Angle: 0.2 0.2 ( 0.00 all around for max grip )
Toe Angle: -0.07 0.00


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Legacy BC RS Group A Rally X-trac 6 Speed Gear Ratio
Set Default
Set Final to 5.000
Set Auto Max Speed to 190kmh / 118mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.923
2nd 2.125
3rd 1.736
4th 1.450
5th 1.227
6th 1.043
Set Final Gear : 4.111 ( Optional Gr A Final Gear : 3.364, 3.444, 3.455, 3.545, 3.700, 3.875, 3.889, 3.900, 4.364, 4.375, 4.444, 4.625, 4.875, 5.143)



LSD - 1 Way Front and 2 Way Rear Cusco RS LSD

Front
Initial Torque : 16
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 5

Rear
Initial Torque : 16
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 13


Torque Distributing Center DIfferential

Front/Rear = 40/60 OR 50/50 for more pull on dirt/tarmac.




Brake Balance:
6/9 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 6/9, for ABS 1 6/9 or feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :
Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 6/9 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :
Made this special build Legacy Wagon for @Ronald6, the tune has been slightly tweaked for more rotation/less understeer under braking. The tune works on both tarmac and dirt/snow. Lower the ride height if preferred when driving on tarmac with comfort/sports tire - maintain equal height. An early build tune, please let me know if anything needs improvement.
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Sutuki
Put a wing on it (:yuck:), use the grass areas as much as you can and you should be able to win it. Oh and try to have the Delta S4 or something slower as a rabbit :lol:

I did it with ~260hp and stock weight. More power makes it harder to handle the car and less weight doesn't really seem to have much effect here...
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Not the stock one... the Rally Stratos ;)
 
Did it with Audi RS 6 Avant '08 a Station Wagon :eek:, Dodge Ram :odd:, Audi TTS '09 :P, RUF CTR2 '96 :mischievous:, GT-R Nismo '14 ;). First Place for All 👍 I'm having alot of Fun :D with this one. Well gotta go try more cars and trucks. :cheers: :gtpflag:
 
mustangxr
Yeah, I just turned mine down to 5/5 on the FF and such on the G-27 otherwise the wife said it has to go outside?? Was OK after that. I normally run 8/10!!
Cheers, Pete
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:-) I mostly play when the wife and kids are all asleep, so I run 2/7 on my old G25. Except for dirt/snow, where I simply unplug the FF.
 
Stotty
Not so much the car, but how you approach the track... any of the 4WD WRC cars will win the event easy enough.

In true rally driver style, make sure you're cutting wherever you can - there's a huge amount more grip on the grass at the side of the track than there is on the dirt, so cutting gives BIG advantages. Avoid going sideways as much as possible as this slows you down... OK to get the rear sliding a bit on entry, but you want the car straight by the apex so you get a faster exit.
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👍 👍 👍

Here's a guy who knows what he's talking about.
I suspect some RL rally driving experience here . . . :D
 
photonrider
👍 👍 👍

Here's a guy who knows what he's talking about.
I suspect some RL rally driving experience here . . . :D
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A bit - a few road rallies, and some single venue stage rallies in a Astra GTE 16v and a Manta with a 400 kit and a Rover V8. Done some co-driving too, but never felt entirely comfortable with someone else driving :lol:

I used to be massively into rallying in my teens/20's - I marshaled on the RAC a few times, and followed it round the Welsh forests and Kielder a few times too. I even managed to wangle myself a Impreza 'Series McRae' as a company car in 1996.

steve nfs
Try using car that slower on the straight I will sometimes get hit by the second car. Kkk ...
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I ran a 5'56 :)
 
chrisdittmer
Help please. I've tried a few cars. Best outcome is the Quattro S1 in 3rd place at 6:35. This is after several tries. I'm using a Praiano tune powered down to 500. Dr P is usually my goto guy but he doesn't have any rally cars from what I can see.

I see a lot of you winning pretty easily with stock cars, so I must stink at dirt tracks. Can someone please suggest a car and a tune that help the dirt track challenged like myself. Thank you very much!
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I was very bad at off-road in GT5, and was bad in Gt6, but in careermode i got that off-road and surprized myself
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I was bad at off-road, bad at snow and bad at drifting.:banghead:
My biggest mistake with off-road/snow was, i braked until i was at the corner and then tried to go thru the corner.:confused:
What do drift/off-road and snow events have in common? Start turning before you're at the corner.💡
In the corner, take it easy with the throttle untill your car is in place to floor it.
Just enter the event and try something you normally never do, go crazy, bump into every car and wall.
Use AI cars to get a brake or oversteer into corners.You don't get penalties in this event ;) so let yourself go..

I'm an average, but the more i enter an event, the more i find out how to speed up, the better i know the track and where to brake and start my turn.
And when using a 4WD? play around with the centerdiff. I use 50:50, maybe 40:60 is better, i did not try yet, but 50:50 helps me that the front wheels start to correct the car into the steering direction when i floor it while sliding towards the outside of a corner.
And the Quattro S1 rally car is a good car for this event, and if you have the 15th annivers quattro S1, that's also a good one.(just reduce pp with the powerlimiter)

Good luck.
 
steve nfs
This is also different., (GT6 starting car), wife 1.5cc car. Sure win, other than the Quattro too far at the starting point cos this is FWD 470 pp. Haha... ( Used Ds3, steering wheel more fast)

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I finally got my gold after PD took pity and also served up a 6:24 Peaugeot 205 rabbit, that was easy pass before the house hairpin for the lead. 6:15 and below rabbits very tough. Mitsubishi Lancer Super Rally car '03 with SRF on for the checkered flag.
 

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