A-spec Expert Level Historic Racing Car Cup: Mid-Field Raceway

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SP0TTEDLAUREL
Good advice. After an attempt or two at the weekend when I felt I just couldn’t crack this one, I had another go last night with the 2J. Gradually got closer to the Toyota 7 and 2J rabbits as I ran 1:06’s and the odd 1:05, then the gap fell quite dramatically as if they’d slowed up to wait for me. I hadn’t noticed that happening when I was further adrift. The 2J made it easy when it crashed on turn 1, then it was just a case of hauling in the 7 to win by something like 0.2sec. The moral is don’t lose heart if you’re running at a 15sec gap up to lap 4 or so as that will come down.



My tune was just limit power to meet 600pp and adjust gearing to 186mph. Diff, brakes, suspension etc all left untouched, using ABS and TCS 1 on DS3.


I have noticed the mid-pack runners put up a bit of a fight, there’s what I think is a Ferrari which sometimes stuck with me for a lap or so if I didn’t get past cleanly.
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Good job, congratulations! 👍
 
I've been earning 480k each race with the 2J. Set top speed to 186 and I think my HP is at 414 to 417 depending on wear and how fresh the oil change is. A fresh oil change and the HP is reduced to 414 ;) Drafting does help on the faster sections.

Up against the 2J, 2D and the Toyota 7 and I can see the 7 go off at the end of the straight around lap 3 or 4 if being pushed. The 2J and 7 swap wins on the times I make a mistake.

To win I've needed to get some laps under 1:04. My best lap is 1:02.9, but I've only done that once. Final total time for most wins is under 6:50 with a lowest time of 6:42.something.
 
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I've had this theory I've been trying to test now and again... if I remember in the heat of a race. I been trying to win with the Challenger but spend woefully too much time smoking tires rather than rolling forward, so it seems I am usually right behind an AI every half lap or so.

Anyways, we all read (in earlier posts) how the AI actually speeds up for half a lap or so if you bump their rear. I found that if I intentionally bump one, I can help my lap by using the subsequent drafting opportunity. So... I been wondering if a racer could bump them in sequence -as you pass one and come up behind another- you might be able to sort of leap-frog through the middle of the pack. 💡

Just a silly theory. I'm not quite skilled enough to test it.
 
LadyHAHRacer
1.06 still puts you well under a 7 minute race which, as I said, I am not able to manage. I should have known better than post here anyway where it's all people posting screenshots of how badly they're beating it.
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I wasn't trying to discourage you the first time I did this race I was around 1.10 I used a tune I found here for the 2J and actually got down to 1.06 I was trying to do is say sometimes I am able to win these expert races but sometimes I can't like the race around the Ring I couldn't win that one to save my life. I am not anywhere near as fast as most people here. When the seasonals first started I couldn't beat the expert races so I would try them and if they were too hard I would skip them. But reading through these threads was a big help to me as I got chance to see what others were doing and it gave me a desire to try to get better. I say that to say this don't be discouraged if you can't win this one cause there's another coming soon:gtpflag:
 
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Xposed2Play
I've had this theory I've been trying to test now and again... if I remember in the heat of a race. I been trying to win with the Challenger but spend woefully too much time smoking tires rather than rolling forward, so it seems I am usually right behind an AI every half lap or so.

Anyways, we all read (in earlier posts) how the AI actually speeds up for half a lap or so if you bump their rear. I found that if I intentionally bump one, I can help my lap by using the subsequent drafting opportunity. So... I been wondering if a racer could bump them in sequence -as you pass one and come up behind another- you might be able to sort of leap-frog through the middle of the pack. 💡

Just a silly theory. I'm not quite skilled enough to test it.
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You might be over driving into the corners with the challenger, try to enter a little slower and when the rear slides let it go and slightly drift through the corner to get your exit speed up.

I try to line up and draft every car I can during he race, gains a bunch of time when you catch them just right. I have never tried you bump idea but I might next time I run this one. Letting the Audi go and not trying to pass him under the tunnel and then drafting him on the long straight, I have seen 196mph vs the normal 175mph going into turn 1 with the challenger.
 
Won with the P3/4. Didn't have Toyota 7 in the field, but a rabbit 2J. Took some doing. Had to run constant 1:05's to get it done.
 
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Race Car 1969 is a delight! Similar to the Daytona Cobra but not quite as sophisticated.

After 20 full races, changing one small thing at a time, my best race times are all about 6m55s. 5-10 seconds away from the Toyota 7 and Chapparrel 2J.

@GTP_CargoRatt and @WhoosierGirl would you share your Camaro tunes please? Cobra isn't quite difficult enough for me now I've done it several times but the Camaro is just beyond me. An exciting situation to be in!

Some of this is inspired by AngHell Z28 tune and general advice I saw in the Z4 and Bathurst seasonal. I used a Praiano Z28 tune but have the physics changed since that was made? It just didn't feel right, maybe it's better with a wheel.

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Race Car 1969
DS3 Novice
TCS: 2
ABS: 2
Steering Sensitivity: 5

Stats
581pp
571bhp
1085kg
54:46
74kgfm
Oil change [seemed hopeless until I did this!]

Tyres
Racing Hard

Suspension
80 80
11.50 7.25
4 4 [guessed]
6 6 [guessed]
5 5 [guessed]
0° 0°
-0.10 0.05 [3rd guess, could be a lot of improvement here?]

Brakes
5 7 [tried many values - I can see that braking while turning better than me would unlock more lap time]

Gearbox
Sorry I forgot what power level I was at when I set this!
Final: 5.490 [might be 0.1 or 0.2 lower, I forgot]
1: 2.800
2: 2.050
3: 1.625
4: 1.350
5: 1.125

LSD
Initial: 5
Accel: 10 [this was best for me in every setup]
Brake: 5

Power
100%
Engine Tuning: Stage 3
Supercharger

Body
Downforce: 200 333 [max front and max rear to begin with...it got better and better with less rear until 300]
No ballast

More consistency in my driving would help! I lose about 5 seconds per race due to mistakes, usually on the brakes. I probably lose 1-3 seconds per race in terms of pace as I struggle to optimise the inputs with a DS3.

Dampers, toe and possibly ride height are the areas I can imagine big gains. Less than 1 second per lap improvement from the tune seems a lot but these are fundamental areas which I might have set totally wrong!

Looks achievable but borderline for me - you two have already done it. Help gratefully accepted.:cheers:
 
BenMillard
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Race Car 1969 is a delight! Similar to the Daytona Cobra but not quite as sophisticated.

After 20 full races, changing one small thing at a time, my best race times are all about 6m55s. 5-10 seconds away from the Toyota 7 and Chapparrel 2J.

@GTP_CargoRatt and @WhoosierGirl would you share your Camaro tunes please? Cobra isn't quite difficult enough for me now I've done it several times but the Camaro is just beyond me. An exciting situation to be in!

Some of this is inspired by AngHell Z28 tune and general advice I saw in the Z4 and Bathurst seasonal. I used a Praiano Z28 tune but have the physics changed since that was made? It just didn't feel right, maybe it's better with a wheel.

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Race Car 1969
DS3 Novice
TCS: 2
ABS: 2
Steering Sensitivity: 5

Stats
581pp
571bhp
1085kg
54:46
74kgfm
Oil change [seemed hopeless until I did this!]

Tyres
Racing Hard

Suspension
80 80
11.50 7.25
4 4 [guessed]
6 6 [guessed]
5 5 [guessed]
0° 0°
-0.10 0.05 [3rd guess, could be a lot of improvement here?]

Brakes
5 7 [tried many values - I can see that braking while turning better than me would unlock more lap time]

Gearbox
Sorry I forgot what power level I was at when I set this!
Final: 5.490 [might be 0.1 or 0.2 lower, I forgot]
1: 2.800
2: 2.050
3: 1.625
4: 1.350
5: 1.125

LSD
Initial: 5
Accel: 10 [this was best for me in every setup]
Brake: 5

Power
100%
Engine Tuning: Stage 3
Supercharger

Body
Downforce: 200 333 [max front and max rear to begin with...it got better and better with less rear until 300]
No ballast

More consistency in my driving would help! I lose about 5 seconds per race due to mistakes, usually on the brakes. I probably lose 1-3 seconds per race in terms of pace as I struggle to optimise the inputs with a DS3.

Dampers, toe and possibly ride height are the areas I can imagine big gains. Less than 1 second per lap improvement from the tune seems a lot but these are fundamental areas which I might have set totally wrong!

Looks achievable but borderline for me - you two have already done it. Help gratefully accepted.:cheers:
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@WhoosierGirl will be your best bet for the proper help as she is a much better driver than I and also a superior tuner. Sorry I can't be of help, but her skills far out weigh mine and I'm sure she will be here directly with the help you need. Good luck. :cheers:
 
I see I'm not the only one who was incredibly frustrated by this stupid race. :lol: But, really, what kind of race has regulations so poorly designed that the car in second (namely, me) can lap the cars in 9th through 12th within 6 laps/7.5 minutes?

Anyway, I recently used my B-Spec grinding credits to get a Ferrari 330 P4. Old race cars under 600 PP? This seemed like a fantastic race to try it out on, stock.

Nope!

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Granted, I knew I was screwed when I saw the 2J, but I didn't think it'd be that bad.

All right, I'll try my own 2J.

Nope!

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Lap 6 of that race was incredibly bizarre. I was on the Toyota 7's butt most of the lap, but its straightline speed was just in another universe. At the start of the lap, I think I had like... I dunno, 4 seconds or something between me and the leading 2J. It hit traffic, though, and suddenly it was just in sight in the last hairpin leading to the final straight. Not that I managed to catch it, obviously, but it tells me this might be doable even if I have to race against it.

And not that it should be, what with the stock 2J having 660 PP. (Though it should be something like 750+ PP, given the lap times its capable of.)

Anyway, doable or not, I'm not trying it tonight. I'm done with this 🤬 tonight. :)
 
Well, after some more grinding with my 2J, I bettered my best lap time and total race time.

Quickest lap: 1'01.659 1'01.118
Quickest total race time: 6'31.094 6'28.645
Top speed down the front straight: 191 mph. 196 mph. (no draft)

Great fun trying to beat my best times while earning a pile of cash. :)
 
nowcontrol
Run this with AT this time round to see how it differs from my manual drive. ;) I will have to practice more manual racing because I know it can be faster.

First go was a good run but the 2J crashed at T1 on lap 2, and he waited for a large gap in the field before rejoining in 9th and only managed to recover one position, also the 7 had two minor grass excursions at T1 on the 5th and 6th lap but those occurred after I had already got in front in the 4th lap. BL=1:03.3xx

But because of the rabbits messy race I decided to go again hoping they would both have a relatively error free run... BL=1:03.7xx

:D
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I tried automatic for three races of one lineup and was surprised. I made minor to major mistakes in each race that led to lap times of 6:43.xx to 6:50.xx, but I did manage a best lap of 1:03.047 :) I also managed one lap of 1:03.3xx and one of 1:03:4xx.

There is something to this auto thing ;)


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Decided to go back to manual for a couple of races. I ended up getting a best lap of 1:02.969 and something strange happened along the way. The lead Toyota 7 won the race with 6:38.644!

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A repeat of the same lineup and the Toyota 7 managed no similar time. I managed my fastest for the 330 P4 though:

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Finally got the win, this was after 10 tries and many times entering and exiting the races looking for that better field, the Toyota 7 spun out in lap 4 so the other 2 cars were like what do we do now so I slide into second but the 2D was determine to not let me win so after a few battles with him and the Auto Union manage to take the lead for good on the last lap.
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I actually love this event, though I have a wheel. I think it's the hardest seasonal yet, though now that I've raced it dozens of times, it's become pretty easy. I should also mention I'm using the 2J every time. I tried the Jag and Ferrari and got whooped. But with the 2J I've won by over 15 seconds on several occasions.

I don't know why GT6 has Beginner and Intermediate level Seasonal Races. If you're not good enough to win an expert level Seasonal, you can race the 50+ races in career mode. I don't think beginners sit around waiting till every other Thursday to come for a beginner level Seasonal Race. Let's go back to the days of 5 expert level Seasonals every other week and keep them posted for several months so we can go back and play them later. It's not like data storage is expensive anymore. Memory got cheap once EMC started gettin competition. This has probably been said many times, so apologies if I'm beating the dead horse.
 
BenMillard
@WhoosierGirl would you share your Camaro tunes please?
Help gratefully accepted.:cheers:
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This is what I used Ben, I think I used this for one of the rain seasonals a few months ago, not sure. I won with it the first try so I didn't bother changing anything and moved on to other cars, hope it helps.

120/80
11.20/8.00
5/5
9/9
7/7
0/0
0/0
6/4 bb
9/11/6
200/475

One of the cars I moved to was.....the Alfa Romeo..got lucky the Toyota crashed early. A win is a win! :)

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chrisdittmer
I actually love this event, though I have a wheel. I think it's the hardest seasonal yet, though now that I've raced it dozens of times, it's become pretty easy. I should also mention I'm using the 2J every time. I tried the Jag and Ferrari and got whooped. But with the 2J I've won by over 15 seconds on several occasions.

I don't know why GT6 has Beginner and Intermediate level Seasonal Races. If you're not good enough to win an expert level Seasonal, you can race the 50+ races in career mode. I don't think beginners sit around waiting till every other Thursday to come for a beginner level Seasonal Race. Let's go back to the days of 5 expert level Seasonals every other week and keep them posted for several months so we can go back and play them later. It's not like data storage is expensive anymore. Memory got cheap once EMC started gettin competition. This has probably been said many times, so apologies if I'm beating the dead horse.
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I like this idea very much and never heard this posted before now. I never do the Beginner and Intermediate level Seasonal Races.
 
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Gonna try this event with my XJ-13 that I still have after the new years seasonals.
 
this has been a somewhat difficult seasonal for me but im enjoying the challenge...was able to win against the 2J rabbit alone but not the 2J and Toyota 7...im using a the Toyota but getting thrashed down the straights against the rabbits and some of those mid pack cars (a ferrari and a jaguar i think)

I dont have a 2J but think i might get one and grind this event to earn the credits back in the process...ive seen the 2J used in alot of seasonals so i hope its worth it

:cheers:
 
KOGSoldier
this has been a somewhat difficult seasonal for me but im enjoying the challenge...was able to win against the 2J rabbit alone but not the 2J and Toyota 7...im using a the Toyota but getting thrashed down the straights against the rabbits and some of those mid pack cars (a ferrari and a jaguar i think)

I dont have a 2J but think i might get one and grind this event to earn the credits back in the process...ive seen the 2J used in alot of seasonals so i hope its worth it

:cheers:
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For many it is a love it and hate it sort of thing - but it's a must-have.
 
Hell yeah, 1:02.392 in the 2J. Who's da man?

Now I'm really stumped as to how to better my time without abusing drafting or ramming into cars in corners to turn faster. This is about the limits of my skill, tbh.

EDIT: Oh, just paid off my 2J by now. Working on the 2D should be a breeze.
 
GTFireball
For many it is a love it and hate it sort of thing - but it's a must-have.
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Yeah, I hate having to use the thing on events that were clearly balanced on the assumption that the typical player has the car. Like this event. No offense to those people who are dismissing the difficulty of this by saying this event is "easy" to win with other cars, but for those of us who aren't in the top 2,000 (or whatever) players in the world, this event isn't easy. Especially not with normal 600 PP classic race cars.

IMO, Expert-level events should be as hard to beat as getting Gold is on Time Trial events (while Bronze should correspond to Entry-Level and Silver to Intermediate). This isn't. Not even with the 2J.

And, really, it'd be nice if "race" events had a leaderboard for people who are insanely talented to compete against each other on. Maybe even a few (e.g., largest winning margin, lowest PP win).
 
Rather than the 2D, I went back to my XJ13 to see what I could do now.

After several rounds warming back up to this car after the very-planted 2J, I would have got 1st place if I didn't mess up and lightly hit the T7 on lap 5, which sent me careening into the barrier. I'll def. get gold with this car by tomorrow.

Fast lap was 1:04.935, so this car is no slouch. Easily one of my favourite in the game.
 

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