Aliens

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Is there extraterrestrial life?

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (non carbon based)

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon based)

    Votes: 25 3.3%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon and non carbon based)

    Votes: 82 10.8%
  • Yes, and they are humanoid creatures

    Votes: 39 5.1%
  • Yes, and they are those associated with abductions

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like

    Votes: 379 49.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 151 19.8%
  • No, they only exist in movies

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    761
Sorry, LMS, I'm having a hard time understanding your post. May I respectfully ask you to rephrase it so my tired old head can grok it better?

Thanks,
S

You're last few posts seem to scoff at the idea of ET in any capacity visiting, you say that UFOs don't validate ET and I say true but they don't invalidate it either. So I'm asking why do you completely dismiss one spectrum in favor of yours. Which to be honest at times is written in a confusing whimsical matter, compared to me just being straight forward with you about it. I'm just curious and see you as someone that will converse on the topic rather than post videos even if you can be confusing (not to be mean).
 
You're last few posts seem to scoff at the idea of ET in any capacity visiting, you say that UFOs don't validate life and I say true but they don't invalidate it either. So I'm asking why do you completely dismiss one spectrum in favor of yours. Which to be honest at times is written in a confusing whimsical matter, compared to me just being straight forward with you about it. I'm just curious and see you as someone that will converse on the topic rather than post videos even if you can be confusing (not to be mean).

Sure, no problem. I am biased against the ET explanation for UFOs and for the natural plasma explanation. That doesn't make me right or wrong, but puts me in a small corner with little support, as the majority either favor the ET hypothesis, or reject the notion of UFOs altogether. I concede there is almost certainly alien life somewhere in the universe, but will take the view its not here because of lack of solid evidence. I'm trying to steer a course that accepts the phenomenon of UAP/UFO, but does not take the final step to aliens. I'm willing to debate that some UFOs are or are not intelligent, but will take the view that it is a natural phenomenon, neither supernatural nor alien, but indigenous to Earth and older than mankind. I will consider and accept any good evidence and argument. My whimsy is probably due to advancing age and too much exposure to such a whimsical, elusive quarry as UFOs. I've been chasing them since the 60's.

Respectfully yours, and awaiting questions or challenges.
S

Edit: I must now be off to my fencing lessons, but will return a coupe of hours.
 
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Aliens definitely exist. They can be microscopic or human like, but they exist. It is also likely they could have visited this planet, due to the fact that they could have better technology.
 
I'm an atheist so I can't believe that anyone has a point in making life in the universe... otherwise I don't understand what you mean.
I didn't mean to make it sound religious, I'm not really religious myself. I meant to say that there are other planets where life even from here on Earth can live on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a planet that is completely water? Fish can survive on there.
 
I didn't mean to make it sound religious, I'm not really religious myself. I meant to say that there are other planets where life even from here on Earth can live on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a planet that is completely water? Fish can survive on there.

There's a general acceptance that one needs to find a hydrated carbonaceous surface within the "Goldilocks zone". Think of Earth. A couple of thousand miles north of me the habitat would be impossible for me to survive without mechanisation. The same is true of the habitat a few thousand miles south. Earth has to sit at exactly the right place, 92,000,000 miles from the sun for me to find a survivable zone (which has Chinese takeaways).

Statistically it's hugely unlikely that other such humanly-inhabitable zones don't exist. But it isn't a certainty and one can't claim it is.

It's also possible that life forms whose type/nature we cannot conceive of are existing in habitats that we haven't even considered. That seems much less likely of course, but can't be ruled out but nor can it be proved.

The fact is that we cannot say there is evidence other than a statistical likelihood. I wish we could :D
 
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We've found a few planets that could be in habitable zones (from what I read though many have some problem or another, like being a gas giant) but nothing with life. Even if a planet could support life, life needs to get there. Earth went through many steps, life formed in the ocean, but it was a very different ocean. Since then, the Sun has grown hotter, Earth has cooled, and the original forms of life oxygenated everything (in the process killing some of themselves off).

I'd be very surprised if Earth contained the only life in the universe (but on the upside, it makes overpopulation and universal heat death very, very, very, far off problems) but I can't say there's life out there. At the very least, I haven't seen any.
 
@Exorcet, I meant to say it's unlikely that such zones don't exist... a critical error on my part! :D
Oh, don't worry, I didn't even see your post. You posted it while I was writing mine.

I also like the idea of life as we don't know it residing in a few places. If we find examples of that, life may end up being literally everywhere. The last time we went a desolate lifeless abyss (sea trenches), we found abundant life.
 
Sure, no problem. I am biased against the ET explanation for UFOs and for the natural plasma explanation. That doesn't make me right or wrong, but puts me in a small corner with little support, as the majority either favor the ET hypothesis, or reject the notion of UFOs altogether. I concede there is almost certainly alien life somewhere in the universe, but will take the view its not here because of lack of solid evidence. I'm trying to steer a course that accepts the phenomenon of UAP/UFO, but does not take the final step to aliens. I'm willing to debate that some UFOs are or are not intelligent, but will take the view that it is a natural phenomenon, neither supernatural nor alien, but indigenous to Earth and older than mankind. I will consider and accept any good evidence and argument. My whimsy is probably due to advancing age and too much exposure to such a whimsical, elusive quarry as UFOs. I've been chasing them since the 60's.

Respectfully yours, and awaiting questions or challenges.
S

Edit: I must now be off to my fencing lessons, but will return a coupe of hours.

Sorry I didn't respond yet I've been busy with work stuff and school since this week is back to the grind. Anyways, I've seen hints of what you're talking about prior to me asking. Perhaps me using scoff was too strong of a word, so I apologize, but I do think you perhaps dismiss the idea for a potential that is more vague and at times seems more unlikely as well due to the notions of what is supernatural.

I'd say aliens or other life is no more supernatural than our own existence. To me giving that idea of aliens even those advanced enough to visit us at some point, as being some supernatural phenomenon makes them already seem as silly or impossible to people as ghosts or vampires or any other fairy tale like creature or event.

Just like explorers are curious about new frontiers to travel why wouldn't other life forms no matter how advance, for what ever reasons other than their own choosing. Now I'm not saying you say this but many times people seem to think that we're such an infinitesimal existence compared to that of life forms that can traverse space in what may be interstellar travel. I say why not though? Look at what we've created and we explore and look for new life forms here on are own planet and outside of it, even if it is nothing more than microbes that we tower above in existence a million times over...yet we still seek it.

My issue and why it's important it too many brilliant people come to give our travels and existence a humanistic quality all around to show a lack of importance. And other brilliant people come to a point where they believe it but are considered their more crazy years at times. I think Aliens exist in various capacity and perhaps have visited Earth once or multiple times because they could and have the ability, but I can't prove it anymore than I can disprove the existence of them to begin with.
 
My issue and why it's important it too many brilliant people come to give our travels and existence a humanistic quality all around to show a lack of importance. And other brilliant people come to a point where they believe it but are considered their more crazy years at times.

Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed post. It's logical and I agree with it. I quoted a small part that I don't quite understand and would ask you to elaborate on a little bit, please.

I would like to think that:
(a) Nothing is supernatural - it's merely that we lack sometimes understanding of a technology or natural process.
and (b) Extraterrestrial entities can and almost certainly do exist, but we have the major problem of lack of hard, unequivocal evidence.

In the current ambiguous situation where some doubt and mystery prevail, one has the freedom to explore a wide range of data potentially bearing upon the problem. This is where the fun begins.

Religion, mythology and folklore are a rich source of data on what could be termed supernatural events and beings, but which might have some basis in reality, or nature. The Djinn, believed in by Muslims, is a good example.

Equally, I believe the sciences of electromagnetism and plasma physics have great potential to explain many aspects of the UFO/UAP phenomena.

For me, the other major factor is the human factor, and the problems of consciousness, perception, experience and belief. We know drugs, other altered states, magnetic fields, etc. can and do powerfully influence this human factor.

Finally, I want agree with you about the fun and importance of exploring new frontiers. I would only add that we do it peacefully and humbly, and hope any aliens might see it that way, too. :)
 
As someone else has stated in this thread before, how could we be the only ones in this universe?

Very easily, actually.

What would be the point?

Why does there have to be a point?

That, to me, is evidence in itself.
That may be some sort of "evidence" I suppose, but it is not scientific evidence.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's extremely likely that life has evolved elsewhere in the universe. But there's quite a gap between "extremely likely" and "certainty".

As to whether or not intelligent has evolved elsewhere, I have no idea. It's certainly not impossible, nor is it inevitably true. I lack any information whatsoever to assign any kind of probability to it.
 
There's a general acceptance that one needs to find a hydrated carbonaceous surface within the "Goldilocks zone". Think of Earth. A couple of thousand miles north of me the habitat would be impossible for me to survive without mechanisation. The same is true of the habitat a few thousand miles south. Earth has to sit at exactly the right place, 92,000,000 miles from the sun for me to find a survivable zone (which has Chinese takeaways).

Statistically it's hugely unlikely that other such humanly-inhabitable zones don't exist. But it isn't a certainty and one can't claim it is.

It's also possible that life forms whose type/nature we cannot conceive of are existing in habitats that we haven't even considered. That seems much less likely of course, but can't be ruled out but nor can it be proved.

The fact is that we cannot say there is evidence other than a statistical likelihood. I wish we could :D
There is a newer hypothesis that life may be able to exist outside of the goldilocks zone, up to ten times further out actually. Link.
Also, it is further thought that earth is actually right on the inner edge of the goldilocks zone. Link.

I wish I could find the articles. but there was one recently about another signal much like the WOW signal. This time with light I believe. Well, I found this, but this isnt the article I had read.

Also saw a somewhere that there was an estimated 2000 exoplanets that may be habitable within like 10 light years. But I am not finding any info on that. At best I found a list for 21.

To say the least I completely agree there are aliens. And when I listen to Sam Harris's notions of free will, it makes me wonder if we are all not in fact in the third of Bostroms trilemma. Some simulation run by far advanced beings.
 
Is there extraterrestrial life?

No one knows for sure but in a universe which no one knows how big it is the possibility of there being no life has to be miniscual.
I have seen many ufo programmes and so called eye witnesses but am still a sceptic, I suppose it is the same as are ghosts real, I will believe when I see one same go's for aliens.
Alas I would wager I would see an alien before a ghost.
 
It is always someone else's fault. If it's not the fault of someone's neighbour and they can't explain it, they blame it on Aliens.

No wonder they are afraid to visit our planet.
 
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