All Japan Club - Closed

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In my experience Tsukuba isn't a good place for testing because it's small and there isn't much to it. Accelerate for a bit, hairpin, accelerate for a bit, hairpin, most cars can do that about the same on such a short track. I've tested many cars there (in GT5) that were within a half second of each other but once you go to a real track with technical bits and long straights suddenly big discrepancies appear. Motegi East would be a good benchmark track, it has slow turns, medium speed turns, fast sweepers, a long straight and even some elevation change. If two cars are closely matched there then they will likely be closely matched at most tracks. 👍

Is there a certain era of Japanese cars we're aiming for? Considering there's umpteen trillion Japanese cars in the game I think it should be fairly easy to find 3 comparable cars, one slightly faster car and one slightly slower car as long as we're not trying to stick to the most modern models. Anything before the 90's probably won't fare well and sticking to FR would be best (though the Type-R seemed to hold up ok but it will lose off the starting line). I'd recommend against bringing any AWD into the mix, it will dominate off the line and then be difficult to pass (especially at Tsukuba).

Looking forward to this event, as was having some great racing with @BrandonW77 on our last outing...Although its clear now he has a faster car ;)

I won't be sticking with the RX-8 since it appears to be quite a bit faster than the others. I'm not fast enough to tackle the BRZ though so I'll have to reconsider my selection. I won't be able to do any testing tonight but will have plenty of time for drinking testing tomorrow evening. 👍
 
I think I have to choose one of the faster cars, since I'm usually at the back of the pack.

I think the problem I have is that I give up my position too easily. I'm afraid of braking at the wrong time while in front of a car and causing it to run into me (although it hasn't happened to me yet). With that, I find myself pulling out of corners a bit slower and having to swerve to the side to let the cars behind me overtake.
 
I think the problem I have is that I give up my position too easily. I'm afraid of braking at the wrong time while in front of a car and causing it to run into me (although it hasn't happened to me yet). With that, I find myself pulling out of corners a bit slower and having to swerve to the side to let the cars behind me overtake.

IMO that's a much better way to drive than trying to divebomb and block people through every turn. I have given up many a position just because I would rather lose a spot than risk an incident that angers somebody (because I cause enough of those anyway). 👍
 
I agree with Brandon, but would also add that if you 're in front, its your line, and the person behind has to anticipate that the car in front (you) will have a different (and probably slower) approach too/through/out the corner, and therefore must factor this in when looking for a pass.

A good driver will identify where they are faster, and make the pass there... in some cases it could be every corner, or it may only be a few.

Personally I would feel robbed if someone I had worked hard to catch, just pulls aside to let me through!

But, everyone races differently so don't let my opinion sway yours. As long as you race fair and clean, then you'll not go wrong.
 
I don't pull over and let them by, but if I think there's a chance one or both of us won't make it out alive then I'll relinquish the position and then apply heaps of pressure until they make a mistake and I get my spot back. :P
 
In my experience Tsukuba isn't a good place for testing because it's small and there isn't much to it.

Motegi East would be a good benchmark track, it has slow turns, medium speed turns, fast sweepers, a long straight and even some elevation change. If two cars are closely matched there then they will likely be closely matched at most tracks. 👍

I use Tsukuba as I am most familiar with the track. It has been my most favourite track for some casual laps for past time for some time. I am not that used to Motegi East, but will start driving there more for sure! :cheers:


Is there a certain era of Japanese cars we're aiming for? Considering there's umpteen trillion Japanese cars in the game I think it should be fairly easy to find 3 comparable cars, one slightly faster car and one slightly slower car as long as we're not trying to stick to the most modern models.

The idea for this Event for me came from some link I stumbled on about Real Life "Time Attack" in Tsukuba. They use highly tuned cars instead of standard cars but the fact that Skylines and S2000 compete from top laps with very different sector times was interesting to me. I wanted to recreate that feeling of cat and mouse in GT with the combination different levels of car characteristics and driver skills. With clean racing and no collisions if it can be prevented. I am truly happy to find people who enjoy the same thing in this game here at GTP :cheers:

So I would really enjoy if we could find cars that would have different strengths and weaknesses fighting cleanly on the track so there would be action for all drivers for pretty much for the duration of the race as long as you do not spin and burn :)

So to answer to the question. Any car is fine as long as it fits this ideal. The better it fits the more happy I am to see it in the list! :cheers: FR and FF only (maybe MR?)

I was planning to keep the following for the next phase but I think it might bring some ideas for guys testing cars. I have been thinking for the future All Japan Cup having a point system that would support choosing cars from lower performance. There would be some kind of bonus for choosing a weaker car. So finishing third on a BRZ might bring a good driver even more points than winning in a RX-8. And winning with BRZ would be a jackpot! So it would not be only about being polite but actually about strategy!

So the reasoning behind having a limited list from the gazillion of Japanese car is to find a nice set of cars that we can setup this point system on. I narrowed it around S2000 because that is the car I enjoy to drive but it does not have to remain that way :)

I have no details yet but this comparison data is very valuable for implementing that kind of bonus system :cheers:

I hope people form this Prelude will take part in planning the system :embarrassed:
 
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I think I have to choose one of the faster cars, since I'm usually at the back of the pack.

I think the problem I have is that I give up my position too easily. I'm afraid of braking at the wrong time while in front of a car and causing it to run into me (although it hasn't happened to me yet). With that, I find myself pulling out of corners a bit slower and having to swerve to the side to let the cars behind me overtake.

Yeah, I am the same sometimes... In the MX Event I did slow early to let Longbow pass. I did not know why he was behind me, I thought he had been pushed in the T1 after the start as there was some mayhem there... So I thought he would have more fun chasing Brandon than playing with me :) He did offer me nice slipstream for half a lap as thanks, which was much appreciated :D
 
Another car to be added to the list is Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX.

Can hobbsy and amar confirm was that the Shigeno version? Anyway it actually seemed faster than S2000 on the straights but slower on the curves. Which was surprising.
 
Yes it was the Shigeno version, for such a light car it was a struggle to improve on previous braking marks!

I did a couple of hot laps after we finished to see how far I was off on the timing, and it was under a second, I'm pretty sure that could be improved as I was pretty tired by then!

Good fun last night guys, I wanna retest some of the cars I used last night with my wheel. But that Type-R was fast even with all the oversteer.

I'll leave you with a some pics from last night.
 

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I thought we wanted to use only premium cars.

I don't recall that being a requirement but I might have missed it. Limiting it to only premiums would make finding balanced cars more difficult since probably 60-75% of them are standards. I prefer premie's but have nothing against standards.
 
I thought we wanted to use only premium cars.

Yes that was part of the original plan. But having balanced cars and fun racing is of higher priority 👍

edit: Updated the car list. I guess this is the list we will go with for this event. See you tomorrow all! Today will be a day off from GT6 for me.
 
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I have been formally invited to attend the "Midget Challenge" event, and It's happening at the exact same time as this event.

I'm stuck between choice, so is anyone here eager for me to participate with you guys, or will you be alright if I choose to go to the Midget event?
 
I have been formally invited to attend the "Midget Challenge" event, and It's happening at the exact same time as this event.

I'm stuck between choice, so is anyone here eager for me to participate with you guys, or will you be alright if I choose to go to the Midget event?

I'm eager for you to participate with us but understand if the call of the Midget is too strong to resist.
:cheers:
 
Sweet, triple post. :dunce:

Here's the results of my testing with the best time around Motegi East for each car along with their too speed at the end of the straight. The BRZ definitely doesn't stand a chance on long straights. The two cars with * by them aren't on the list but I tested them anyway just to see where they fit. I think the S2000 '00 could be a good replacement for the BRZ, it's slightly slower on the straight but should still keep up. I'll probably end up with the RX-7 or 06 S2K. Also, I think changing the slipstream to Weak might help balance everything and promote more overtaking and excitement. I normally use the Real setting but I think Weak could make the racing closer in this case. 👍


Fairlady Z Version S Z33 07: 1:40.193 125mph
Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP 07: 1:40.445 125mph
07 RX-8 Type S 1:40.468 120mph
S2000 06: 1:41.530 119mph
RX-7 Type R FD 91: 1:41.792 120mph
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex: 1:42.223 118mph
*S2000 00: 1:42.892 117mph
*300zx 2by2 Z32 98: 1:43.912 120mph
BRZ: 1:45.136 112mph
 
Alright, I'll be doing to Midget event, but I'll probably leave halfway through and join you guys for the remaining races.
How long will this event be running for?
 
Good info there, @BrandonW77 .

Wish I had noted the times me and @KingKlingeling were running the other night. I do remember he got the RX-8 down to a 1:39.1 (with a 1:38.xxx almost in sight), and I managed a 1:39.4. I seem to recall him running the BRZ down to a 1:41.9, too.

Did a few more practice runs with a few cars at Motegi East (abs 1 this time)

BRZ: 1:42.4, that seems to be all I can get out of it.
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (S. Shigeno Version): 1:41.0
efini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91: 1:40.5
S2000 '06: 1:41.1

S2000 run a bit compromised by getting tired, then I got disco'd from my own private solo test lobby. :banghead: Probably about the same speed as the RX-7, really. The half second difference in the laps I ran was pretty much all in the first set of esses (T2-3-4-5) where the RX-7's rotation and pointiness gives it an edge (though it's an edge you can fall off of really easily :dopey: ).

I'm leaning towards running the Sprinter Trueno at Motegi, at this point. Had thought about using the RX-7 at one point, but I found more speed in it than I was expecting to. I was hoping to magically find another second in the BRZ, because I like driving it more than the others -- but that's just not going to happen. Still using it at Tsukuba and Suzuka East, if we go there.

I'll have all the cars ready anyway, just in case I'm having a 'slow day' B)
 
I intend to have the server up at least 15min before the scheduled time. There will be short practice period before each new track for final car switching if needed. Let's also do that visibility test quickly before race. So lineup for some photoshoot at the start line :D

I originally thought the whole session would be over in an hour. But we have had practice sessions lasting over 2 hours so if people enjoy this as much as I do I am keeping the server up until people get tired :D
 
Fairlady Z Version S Z33 07: 1:40.193 125mph
Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP 07: 1:40.445 125mph
07 RX-8 Type S 1:40.468 120mph
S2000 06: 1:41.530 119mph
RX-7 Type R FD 91: 1:41.792 120mph
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex: 1:42.223 118mph
*S2000 00: 1:42.892 117mph
*300zx 2by2 Z32 98: 1:43.912 120mph

BRZ: 1:45.136 112mph

Good find, adding to first post!
 
Some great replies and test run results here :bowdown:
I think I'm pretty decent in the brz because of his superb handling , If a car is easy to drive you can put your focus to other things such as lines and brakepoints 👍
I'm really looking forward to this :cheers::cheers:
 
Here is a table where I collected times at Motegi East. I had Kings BRZ time rounded and bolded as he seems to have confirmed using that car. Please aim close to that time if possible :cheers:

Huge thanks for Brandon for that data!

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It takes a lot of laps to get accurate comparison. But I am sure this gives a rough idea where each car compares. Seems some cars fit better for some people and just get more laps because they just seem more fun. Not many have tried to FF cars for example :)

I think I will use S2K or RX-8 for Motegi East. I think my time at Motegi East was somewhere 1:43's but I plan to see some replays and practice 20 or so laps later before the event.
 
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you definitely have to keep these series alive after this event.
I love those timesheets , lots of respect for your effort you put in here :bowdown::bowdown:
and next time I'll spend some more time with testing and posting times to fill your wonderful comparson table:cheers:

ps: I love to get pushed by a car and not pulled ,thats why I avoid driving FF cars :lol:
 
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