Amazing sound mod find!
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Yeah sure you need a 7.1 System to hear a VTEC Kick in
Made my day. Probably never driven a VTEC Honda then. I know my car and I know the hair Dryer Civic in GT5 which don't change in any way on a 2.1 or 7.1 System. And if other racing games do it well even on TV speakers then something is mad wrong here huh?! đź’ˇ
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- jdmking13
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Yeah sure you need a 7.1 System to hear a VTEC Kick in
Made my day. Probably never driven a VTEC Honda then. I know my car and I know the hair Dryer Civic in GT5 which don't change in any way on a 2.1 or 7.1 System. And if other racing games do it well even on TV speakers then something is mad wrong here huh?! đź’ˇ
Aaaah I'm loving this froum..
So how does it make you feel that I own an 07 Honda SI How does it make you feel that I never said it changes the sample but brings out the real sounds for GT5 and how does it make you feel that you act as an 8 years old, and it's people like you who give the Honda enthusiast bad name... VTEC YO... I mean come on. Maybe you need to re read the post before you write non sense.
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I was never reffering to one of those things you marked. I was reffering to VTEC Sounds which I said not only once. You gave me not even one little response to that except "crappy Youtube Videos". The only thing you did, was coming up with sound systems which makes GT5 sounds alive. So no wonder that I feel like to react this way. I don't want here any arguments or something. I just state my opinion, if people question them I'd like to get facts which proofs me wrong thats all. And thats what you haven't done. end of story..
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I'm pretty sure you said that I have never driven a Vetc which sounds ridiculous. Zonda what have you proven though? You come into this thread with your immature remarks and that's all. Where is your proof? So everybody has to take your word that only the Integra type R is the only accurate Honda? Please dude..
Just as you said your opinion. You haven't done anything more than I have.
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So if you have driven a VTEC, then please tell me a car in GT5 which sounds to you like a proper VTEC sound with Kick in? I do not know any, and I am pretty sure anyone else here can neither. And I am sorry if I was offensive towards you, that was the last thing I want. If it was that way I apologize for that! Nobody has to take my word. But in this case. Then what would be your opinion? You still didn't say anything in addition to the VTEC Topic. If you name me cars in GT5 which does have that sound I will be happily to try them out. But I guess I tried them all and there is none! If you know any please let me know 
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I will concur that the VTEC crossover isn't audible (not all VTECs do this at any rate), but you can still hear "the VTEC", since it's inherent in the sound of the engine!
Below 6k ish, depending, you get the low duration, low lift cams - that'll be reflected in the samples; above that, you get the high duration, high lift cams, also represented in the samples recorded in that rpm range.
The problem is that the transition in any game, as far as I am aware, is gradual (because of the nature of multi-sampling, without adding an extra set of samples for the crossover-type VTEC-like engines), whereas in real life it's very abrupt, which highlights the change in sound (because of the change in cam profiles and timing) more markedly than it does in a continuous system, like BMW's Valvetronic. Hence all the emotion.
Below 6k ish, depending, you get the low duration, low lift cams - that'll be reflected in the samples; above that, you get the high duration, high lift cams, also represented in the samples recorded in that rpm range.
The problem is that the transition in any game, as far as I am aware, is gradual (because of the nature of multi-sampling, without adding an extra set of samples for the crossover-type VTEC-like engines), whereas in real life it's very abrupt, which highlights the change in sound (because of the change in cam profiles and timing) more markedly than it does in a continuous system, like BMW's Valvetronic. Hence all the emotion.
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Thank you Griff I cannot explain it like you but I was trying to tell him that all my Honda's sound like Honda's. It just frustrating to hear they sound like hair dryers when it's not the case. This is why I asked him what surround was he using. If I cant play GT5 with surround I will not play it. I tell my uncle every time I go over there to buy a SS. When he comes over he is always blown away how GT5 sound so good on my surround VS his TV speakers.
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Well, it's not perfect; the B-series engines in particular are famed for their intake sound, but that's mostly missing in GT5, unfortunately.
And, yes, that crossover in FM4 is fairly abrupt. I guess the sound artists worked it out at last!
Still comical sounding, with all that distortion, though (which is mostly on the intake, of course; the B-series signature).
Come on PD, add intake sounds properly, and then we wouldn't need silly "mods" like this.
And, yes, that crossover in FM4 is fairly abrupt. I guess the sound artists worked it out at last!
Still comical sounding, with all that distortion, though (which is mostly on the intake, of course; the B-series signature).
Come on PD, add intake sounds properly, and then we wouldn't need silly "mods" like this.
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You are right in some terms, I agree!
But the crossover is possible in games, our rival did it really well!
compare the EK9 of this! to the one in GT5
Do you understand now my hair dryer complain, JDM ?
I understand what your trying to say dude, but again with these youtube video's they are not represent the true sound from what comes from my 7.1 or any body with a decent surround. The video ou posted sounds as if its from TV speakers. FM4 was made for TV speakers GT5 was not. It burns me I cannot show you this ughhh With the FM4 yes I can clearly here it. đź‘Ť
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Yup, and the video comparison was obviously not fair FM4 is in chase came where you can hear all the sounds while the GT5 is in the interior view with music on.
I hate YouTube video but I will post my own Civic R from my own TV and my own SS. People get YouTube videos and cannot tell you what set up they are using etc ughhh.
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My TV can project sound rather nicely. GT5 sounds pretty good, but other games sound better. There is always room for improvement. Try fiddling around with your tv sound and see what sound concoction you can come up with. I changed my sound settings on my tv from 'small room' to theater and there was a significant difference.
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At a time, I once had my audio set to Large Theatre, but the imbalance was intolerable. You can barely hear the menu SFX, so you would have to turn the volume up. Then you'll get the scare of your life when you hear your car's noise blasting through the speakers. As a result, I changed back to Small Theatre.
The audio when set to Large Theatre does have a slightly more bassy noise than other settings.
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Umm exactly.... I will say it again FM4 was made for TV speakers and GT5 was made for SS yes it suck but this is true. I can play FM4 on my regular TV and enjoy the sounds all day When I play with my SS it's to loud and annoying and makes my speakers crackle. GT5 I will never play on my TV speakers, If you don't have a decent subwoofer good luck enjoying the audio. When I play with my 7.1 it's a whole new ball game. Engine sounds come out of the 3 front speakers and Exhaust from the back two. The subwoofer brings out the true deep sounds GT5 needs dearly. My surround speakers play a huge role bring out the small faint sounds and making them very noticeable. I have played FM since the 1st I am not making this up.
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I guess it depends on your tv? I put mine to small theater as well, but I fine tuned the sound (clear voice option, 100Hz sound set in the upper quartile, truSurround)
I tell ya, you can come out with some very good sounds if you experiment.
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Honda V-tec sound is absolutely horrid and why would any of your post make anybody feel anything "oh look at me i can afford an 07 Honda" bad attitude if your trying to make people Jealous at least buy an expensive car that others cannot afford and you say others are acting like 8 year olds. lol And none of this is relevant to the thread.
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TV Speakers are designed to accentuate and prioritize the FREQRANGE of the human voice, thats why you wouldn't listen to music (if you know anything about proper sound) on a TV, youd get a SS with a Transparent (does not alter sound or focus on a certain FREQRANGE like TVspks) character to handle ALL Freqs evenly then use EQ to accentuate certain FREQs, hence why you have multiple settings for Music, Movies, Games.
GT5 was made for SS/HT bc any setting other than LT is just a compromise for inferior systems (TVspkr).
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Here we go again... So did you actually read the whole conversation? I'm guessing not, I will help you out though
Yeah sure you need a 7.1 System to hear a VTEC Kick in
Made my day. Probably never driven a VTEC Honda then. I know my car and I know the hair Dryer Civic in GT5 which don't change in any way on a 2.1 or 7.1 System. And if other racing games do it well even on TV speakers then something is mad wrong here huh?! đź’ˇ
Aaaah I'm loving this froum..
See when you come at somebody who you do not know and tell them what they have not done before that is disrespectful. We are talking about GT5 and he goes off talking about I never drove "Vetc" That was un called for, so I just let him no Not only have I driven Vtec I own Vtec.. I am JDMking, I grew up on Hondas Here is my article I did on my EG6, my frist car ever! So I dont need him or you telling me anything period. Before you try to defend somebody look at the whole conversation. đź‘Ž Nobody writes an article like this who doesn't like Honda's/Vtec.
I have always been a Honda guy ever since I was young. They were cheap, fun, and a car you could work on to obtain better mechanic skills. I would like to introduce myself to everyone, Hi my name is Anthony Miller and I am a proud owner of an EG6 Honda Civic.
Bio
• Height: 5’11
• Weight: 170
• Hometown: Edison NJ
• Car: Honda Civic Si hatch
I have always loved the EG6 Honda hatchback ever since I was young. As soon as I saved enough money I bought a 91 Honda Civic Si. I was so excited to drive it home from the private owner, and even though the car had a single vetec with little power it was mine. As I was driving home I already made my mind up on mods, I was going to upgrade my eg to give it more character. The first to go was the stock D16Z6, and to be honest even though the car had vetec it was only on the intake side, resulting in a whopping 125 horse power. I think to myself all the time “why does Japan get all the stuff.” I mean they get B16A2 with 160HP, and to add more gasoline to the fire, there is a B16A with 168HP. This might seem like I’m crying over small horsepower, but back in the day having a D16 resulted in people laughing at the sound of the stock motor.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49394180@N08/6868311447/ http://www.flickr.com/people/49394180@N08/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49394180@N08/6868311499/ http://www.flickr.com/people/49394180@N08/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49394180@N08/6868413773/ http://www.flickr.com/people/49394180@N08/Honda Civic Si Specs
Engine
Type: 1.6L I4 SOHC 16V FI Engine
Displacement cu in (cc): 1.6L
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 125 hp @ 6600 RPM
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: Torque: 106 ft-lbs. @ 5200 RPM
Redline at RPM: 7200 rpm
Fuel tank capacity: 11.9 gal
Drivetrain
Layout Front Engine, FWD
Transmission 5-Speed Manual Transmission
Chassis
Wheels (F) 14 Inch steel Wheels
Wheels (R) 14 Inch steel Wheels
Tires Front Yokohama A520
Tires Rear Yokohama A520
Safety & Security
None
Vehicle Regulation
• Weight 2326 lbs
• Comfort Hard tires
• Brake balance 1(F) 0(R)
• No TCS
• No ASM
• No ABS
As I said I ditched the D16, and found a Type R (B18C5) motor for sell on JHPUSA. The guys there where friendly and informative they explained to me everything I needed to know to run the eg at its highest horsepower output at an reliable manner. I also got some other goodies including a Recaro bucket seat with Takata belt, BBS wheels and some Buddy Club N spec coilovers. With these upgrades installed on my bubble, It feels as my EG is starting to obtain a personality. Stay tuned to my future updates.
Tuning Menu
1991 Honda Civic Si hatch.
Owner Ant Miller
Hometown Edison NJ
Occupation Honda Mechanic
Engine B18C5, Blox intake manifold, Mugen twin loop sports exhaust, Mugen 4-1 header, Samco radiator hose, JDM Honda radiator cap
Drivetrain JDM ITR transmission
Engine Management Chipped ecu Apexi vtec controller
Wheels & Tires 16 x8.5 BBS RS wheels 205/45R16 Yokohama Advan Neova (Comfort Soft)
Exterior Honda front lip
Interior Recaro Profi seat, Takata racing belts
Vehicle Regulation(slightly tuned)
•Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 207 hp @ 7900 RPM
•Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: Torque: 150 ft-lbs. @ 7300 RPM
•Weight 2275 lbs
•Comfort Soft tires
•Brake balance 1(F) 0(R)
•No TCS
•No ASM
•No ABS
•Chipped ECU(allows full gains for for small upgrades)
•Engine Motor upgrade 3 (B18C5 swap 195hp)
•Sports exhaust(6hp)(3tq) Sports exhaust manifold (6hp)(4tq)
•Full race suspension Spring rate F: 4.5kgf R: 4.0kgf
•1 weight reduction (Recaro 18.8lb Stock 32lb)( BBS RS 18lb Stock 18lb) (Yoko AD08 21lb Stock 18lb) (Striped out back seats and spare tire and carpeting 36lb) (Mugen twin loop sports exhaust 8lb Stock 12lb)
Sorry for off topic back on topic for me.
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Regarding your first point, I suspect it's a matter of taste. I happen to think a stock DC2 Type-R is pure aural bliss. But that's just me; I'm not saying it's the only thing I enjoy, either.
I think we should all ignore your second "point".
Anyway, as a quick experiment, I messed around with the software / driver-level "bass-boost" on my PC, and it makes quite a difference to GT's sound, as there is usually some underlying bass texture to many cars that can enhance the sound (at least until you recognise what sample that layer was mixed in from...), or in other cases be quite irritating. But then there are a lot of cars in this game. I use headphones.
Thinking on it more, I remember I used to boost the bass on the poor TV back in the days of GT2, so I guess it's just a GT thing.
A sub-woofer is ideal, since you're getting the bass mix PD actually intended in a dedicated channel, but careful equalising should be fine, especially if you don't listen to music when you race.
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No not just him, many people. As remarked further down, many games nowadays are designed for basic sound systems, eg. TV speakers, and are therefore all about the midrange, with often very crummy bass response. Easiest way around this to make the cars sound really gnarly is thrown in a lot of white noise or EQ'd distortion to make that midrange sound seem "rougher" and your car sound more cool.
The Youtube effect is also similar...the recording means used is often blown and creates artifical distortion. If anyone used a really good mic it would sound crappy on your iphone but all kinds of awesome on your home cinema system with the volume way up. This is also how it would sound in "real life"...damn loud with a full frequency range.
This synthesised distortion is a well-known practice by games developers (and also a shortcut of sorts) and is also quite understandable (I have nothing against Forza and other driving games, I play and enjoy many of them) but is it realistic? Of course it isn't.
To bring this back to basics, I have a cheap 23" LCD TV in my room which is just fine for playing games, but frankly the sound sucks ass. Since the advent of slim LCD/LED TVs you really have to pay big bucks for a TV with decent integrated speakers/sound. It's so bad that when the revs drop in GT5 I actually can't hear the engine at all, whereas my old Panasonic CRT TV I used for many years sounded awesome when I played GT4.
Cheap solution - I bought a set of PC speakers with a subwoofer, and I simply plugged it right in to the headphone socket of the TV. The headphone output gives the full range of sound and is not maimed by the limitations of tiny speakers.
The result isn't realistic either, but it does significantly increase the low-end/bass in a home scenario, without being heard in the next street. And the cars in GT5, to a large extent, sound good. If they don't, well often that's cause they don't in "real life" either. But bolt on a sports exhaust with mostly any car and it sounds lovely.
My point is that this is still a compromise, I am artificially boosting the bass but this is still tons more realistic than when game producers introduce distortion, to ensure the cars sound kinda filthy and rough even on the crappiest of TVs. It's a very cost-effective compromise though, and whilst not on a par with an expensive bespoke sound set-up it at least means you don't have to blow the roof off to get something akin to the real experience.
So kinda in summary, to all of those who keep posting random Youtube videos of the real cars and their sounds, that's just fine, now put that Mustang Boss in your living room and give it the beans for the same effect. I'm sure your family and neighbours will be ok with that. We are after all talking about a video game replicating a car, not having the real thing in our house.
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You are right in some terms, I agree!
But the crossover is possible in games, our rival did it really well!
compare the EK9 of this! to the one in GT5
Do you understand now my hair dryer complain, JDM ?
You use video of interior to make a point about engine sound ?
I think thats the only car with that vtec sound.
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In my opinion FM4 was made more for TV use than GT5. I did not mean it was only for TV audio. The FM4 team took in to consideration that everybody doesn't own a quality SS. For GT to fully get the experience you must play on a surround system or the sound from your TV will be trash. It doesn't even sound like the same game.
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No, just, no. That sound is clearly taken from the 1999 Subaru Impreza Rally Car from GT4! Albiet with a slightly more throaty noise at lower revs. Still not realistic though:
And yes, you record from the inside of a car for engine noise, otherwise you'll just be getting exhaust noise, which most of the time is different sounding.
