Amazing sound mod find!

[Tyger]

In my opinion FM4 was made more for TV use than GT5. I did not mean it was only for TV audio. The FM4 team took in to consideration that everybody doesn't own a quality SS. For GT to fully get the experience you must play on a surround system or the sound from your TV will be trash. It doesn't even sound like the same game.

I agree with you here to an extent, but I think it can be simplified, you can still get a good experience out of GT5 with a *decent* sound set-up or at least one that effectively covers the full dynamic range of the sound, It just happens that yours is a full SS set up which is better still.

For the most part, TV speakers are just not up to the job unless all sound effects are pushed through mid or upper (treble) range, as above. This is simply not realistic and has the same effect as radio, which typically ignores the full dynamic range of music in favour of something that sounds relatively OK on any crappy old radio.

More expensive TVs have OK sound but it seems to be a given nowadays that you have something separate for sound, whether it be for movies or realistic video games

 

[Terronium-12]

In my opinion FM4 was made more for TV use than GT5. I did not mean it was only for TV audio. The FM4 team took in to consideration that everybody doesn't own a quality SS. For GT to fully get the experience you must play on a surround system or the sound from your TV will be trash. It doesn't even sound like the same game.

So we went from statements under the guise of facts, to 'in your opinion' in no time at all?

 

[JDMKING13]

So we went from statements under the guise of facts, to 'in your opinion' in no time at all?

Damn dude why are you riding me It wasn't like a gunning FM down All I was saying FM4 audio was made for you to enjoy it with your TV speakers GT wasn't you wanna dissect my post more power to you but don't act like I'm switching up my argument, far from the case I forgot to say in my opinion i'm sorry boss.

I agree with you here to an extent, but I think it can be simplified, you can still get a good experience out of GT5 with a *decent* sound set-up or at least one that effectively covers the full dynamic range of the sound, It just happens that yours is a full SS set up which is better still.

For the most part, TV speakers are just not up to the job unless all sound effects are pushed through mid or upper (treble) range, as above. This is simply not realistic and has the same effect as radio, which typically ignores the full dynamic range of music in favour of something that sounds relatively OK on any crappy old radio.

More expensive TVs have OK sound but it seems to be a given nowadays that you have something separate for sound, whether it be for movies or realistic video games

Exactly that's all I'm saying The FM team made their game so you can really enjoy audio from your TV or SS GT5 is a lot more complicated making the full potential sound come out with the SS.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

No, just, no. That sound is clearly taken from the 1999 Subaru Impreza Rally Car from GT4! Albiet with a slightly more throaty noise at lower revs. Still not realistic though:



And yes, you record from the inside of a car for engine noise, otherwise you'll just be getting exhaust noise, which most of the time is different sounding.

Well its not THAT "clear" because they sound totally different to me.Pre 2.04? I think interior didnt have much engine noise and that video was pre 2.04( pre 1.XX really ) .The best view to get engine noise was with chase cam at that time.But that wasnt even my point.My point was he was comparing car sounds from different views.

 

[1241Penguin]

They sound different because they have different exhausts on.

 

[calico]

Exactly that's all I'm saying The FM team made their game so you can really enjoy audio from your TV or SS GT5 is a lot more complicated making the full potential sound come out with the SS.

If you have not spoken to the "FM TEAM" this is just your opinion and not fact and i didnt need to read all of your posts to see that you were trying to be condisending or thats how it came across my brother owns a 2.2 accord v-tec with induction kit and in my opinion the sound when the v-tec cuts in is horrid its not a nice rumble like a V8 nor is it anything like the induction roar of my VR6 i admit it is a quick car though and hats off to Honda for producing what is a nice reliable engine.

 

[Terronium-12]

Damn dude why are you riding me It wasn't like a gunning FM down All I was saying FM4 audio was made for you to enjoy it with your TV speakers GT wasn't you wanna dissect my post more power to you but don't act like I'm switching up my argument, far from the case I forgot to say in my opinion i'm sorry boss.

Why am I riding you? I wasn't aware that people were made available for public transportation.

I wasn't going to bother indulging in the rest of your nonsense, but since I'm here would you care to take a stab at explaining to me why, when playing through TV speakers, which FM4 was apparently made more for, you're unable to hear things as clearly as you would with a surround setup? Or why Nick bothered to point out that surround sound users would get more "bang" than those using TV speakers?

 

[JDMKING13]

Why am I riding you? I wasn't aware that people were made available for public transportation.

I wasn't going to bother indulging in the rest of your nonsense, but since I'm here would you care to take a stab at explaining to me why, when playing through TV speakers, which FM4 was apparently made more for, you're unable to hear things as clearly as you would with a surround setup? Or why Nick bothered to point out that surround sound users would get more "bang" than those using TV speakers?

You have no clue what your talking bout right now. So please re read what I wrote. I am not backing up from what I said. When playing FM4 in my opinion the sound team took in consideration that everybody will not play the game with a SS. This is why on TV speakers FM4 sounds good. This is not the case for GT5 I can't play the game with my regular speakers for 5 min the audio sounds bad. When I hook up my 7.1 the audio experience is extremely different. FM4 on a SS sounds way better then TV speakers, but the stock TV speakers still do the game justice sounds wise in my opinion.

 

[1241Penguin]

I think I understand what you're saying. You're saying that the sound for GT5 is more dynamic in the sense that you actually feel like you're driving around in a car. Well, with surround sound, more like driving around in a vacuum cleaner, but never mind that for now. On the other hand, while Forza's engine sounds are better, with surround sound, you feel like you're just sitting in your living room in the middle of some speakers, and not like driving around in a car.

 

[JDMKING13]

I think I understand what you're saying. You're saying that the sound for GT5 is more dynamic in the sense that you actually feel like you're driving around in a car. Well, with surround sound, more like driving around in a vacuum cleaner, but never mind that for now. On the other hand, while Forza's engine sounds are better, with surround sound, you feel like you're just sitting in your living room in the middle of some speakers, and not like driving around in a car.

Its not really even like that dude it's just say one day I want to chill on the couch and play FM4, and paint some cars up, and test drive them to see how they look I don't have to turn on my SS. FM4 sounds are really loud and good on my TV speakers this is a very beneficial! I will never play GT5 on my TV speakers period I cant do it. This is why I said FM4 was made for TV speakers GT5 was not. They even have living room small theater and large theater settings stating if you want to experience the true sounds put it on the theater settings.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Its not really even like that dude it's just say one day I want to chill on the couch and play FM4, and paint some cars up, and test drive them to see how they look I don't have to turn on my SS. FM4 sounds are really loud and good on my TV speakers this is a very beneficial! I will never play GT5 on my TV speakers period I cant do it. This is why I said FM4 was made for TV speakers GT5 was not. They even have living room small theater and large theater settings stating if you want to experience the true sounds put it on the theater settings.

It depends on your tv speakers. Most of Samsung's tv speakers sound like tin cans. The speaker bar on my Kuro sounds nice. Having a sub woofer output is a big plus as well.

My av receiver died and I was forced to use my tv speakers. I was astonished how well the Kuro speaker bar sounded. I never used it until that time. I found myself checking to make sure the av receiver was not on. Pioneer did a great job simulating surround sound out of the front firing speaker bar.

The speakers on my Sammy LCD are crap!!!

 

[XEPEGTP]

Since LCDTV, built in speakers have been WEAKER on the low end, because those screens cant take all that vibration so they stick to "human voice range" and mid-Hi's.

Since my LCD crapped out ive been playing on a tube Toshiba flat screen and the speakers are pretty good for a TV and AMAZING compared to my deceased LCD, it gets the floor shaking with bass enhancement (sounds dry without it tho).

There was just more room for the sound to dissipate in CRTs and the screens and their electronics were more solid, now, makers assume we have our own HT systems and the vibration issue, so they dont bother spending the money equipping decent audio, to pass the savings on, imagine an LCD with amazing sound a 42" would cost like 700$.

 

[Samus]

Did anyone know that JDMKING13 had a 7.1 surround sound system? I think I've seen him reference it once or seventy four times.

Sarcasm aside, what you're saying is GT sounds worse in stereo than surround sound and that's why so many people have a problem with the sound, because most people don't have a surround sound set up. Maybe you should start a poll actually, see what most people use, 2.0, 2.1, 5.1 or 7.1. I'd put a large wager more than 50% are 2.0 and 2.1. If that is true then it shows PD need to focus on their stereo output, because it's no good if you're only making a small percentage of your players happy.

Oh and by the way you keep saying they made FM4 for 'TV' speakers, what you actually mean is stereo speakers. You do realise people have better quality external speakers but still stereo, right?

 

[Tornado]

You have no clue what your talking bout right now. So please re read what I wrote. I am not backing up from what I said.

Then I honestly have no idea what your point was in your initial post:

Umm exactly.... I will say it again FM4 was made for TV speakers and GT5 was made for SS yes it suck but this is true. I can play FM4 on my regular TV and enjoy the sounds all day When I play with my SS it's to loud and annoying and makes my speakers crackle.

FM4 on a SS sounds way better then TV speakers, but the stock TV speakers still do the game justice sounds wise in my opinion.

Because it wasn't just that Forza sounded better in Stereo than GT5 does.

 

[XEPEGTP]

I play GT5 on my crt TV (smh) for now and i STILL get good sound (nothing like a Stereo or Surround) , BUT on my LCD I GOT CRAP sound, in which case i used my old Pioneer amp to some stereo 8" speakers which was decent.

Large Theatre is the KEY. It mixes down to Stereo depending on what you have plugged in.

Small theatre is crap, its balanced and stuff but crap, LR forget it.

You CAN get good sound on CRT TV's (with a bass boost function) but not MOST LCDs (which cant handle ANY bass whatsoever let alone hours of it)

And of course the best option is a Surround system or at the least a Stereo system.

 

[Griffith500]

Did anyone know that JDMKING13 had a 7.1 surround sound system? I think I've seen him reference it once or seventy four times.

Sarcasm aside, what you're saying is GT sounds worse in stereo than surround sound and that's why so many people have a problem with the sound, because most people don't have a surround sound set up. Maybe you should start a poll actually, see what most people use, 2.0, 2.1, 5.1 or 7.1. I'd put a large wager more than 50% are 2.0 and 2.1. If that is true then it shows PD need to focus on their stereo output, because it's no good if you're only making a small percentage of your players happy.

Oh and by the way you keep saying they made FM4 for 'TV' speakers, what you actually mean is stereo speakers. You do realise people have better quality external speakers but still stereo, right?

I don't think you're quite right, actually. I mean, yes, the stereo mix has been a weak point for GT5, still is despite two recent tweaks, but that's not what the point is. Plug in some decent stereo speakers and a sub and it'll be quite a bit better than your average modern TV speakers will manage. Obviously it won't change the samples, so that needn't be said; let's not conflate separate issues.

T10 have clearly taken steps to ensure the game sounds "OK" on low-quality hardware (mostly "thanks" to all that distortion, and probably other tricks, so maybe it's just a side-effect), PD didn't. That's all it is. The sounds in GT5 are awful if all you're getting are choppy mids and highs; add some decent bass, balanced against a nice flat upper-register, and it does add a bit of body and crispness. Again, it doesn't make up for other mistakes, let's be clear on that.

Other posters have already stated that the hardware need not be anywhere near top-of-the-line, it just needs to be some way off the bottom. So we can move on from any accusations of hardware snobbery (at least that's how I'm interpreting all the unnecessary defensiveness.)

 

[TheDabbinDave]

The sound bar on my Kuro is a detachable unit that mounts to the bottom of the frame or the wall.

 

[JDMKING13]

I don't think you're quite right, actually. I mean, yes, the stereo mix has been a weak point for GT5, still is despite two recent tweaks, but that's not what the point is. Plug in some decent stereo speakers and a sub and it'll be quite a bit better than your average modern TV speakers will manage. Obviously it won't change the samples, so that needn't be said; let's not conflate separate issues.

T10 have clearly taken steps to ensure the game sounds "OK" on low-quality hardware (mostly "thanks" to all that distortion, and probably other tricks, so maybe it's just a side-effect), PD didn't. That's all it is. The sounds in GT5 are awful if all you're getting are choppy mids and highs; add some decent bass, balanced against a nice flat upper-register, and it does add a bit of body and crispness. Again, it doesn't make up for other mistakes, let's be clear on that.

Other posters have already stated that the hardware need not be anywhere near top-of-the-line, it just needs to be some way off the bottom. So we can move on from any accusations of hardware snobbery (at least that's how I'm interpreting all the unnecessary defensiveness.)

Thank you griff thats's all I'm saying! If you talk about FM it strikes a bone on certain folks.

Then I honestly have no idea what your point was in your initial post:


Because it wasn't just that Forza sounded better in Stereo than GT5 does.

What I said is true and you know it, If you have a SS system. The FM4 sounds make your speakers crackle and it sounds terrible I hate it and this is why I cannot play the game loud on my SS. Even still the sounds are better on the SS then the TV speakers, but the extreme loudness and speaker cracking is annoying.

It depends on your tv speakers. Most of Samsung's tv speakers sound like tin cans. The speaker bar on my Kuro sounds nice. Having a sub woofer output is a big plus as well.

My av receiver died and I was forced to use my tv speakers. I was astonished how well the Kuro speaker bar sounded. I never used it until that time. I found myself checking to make sure the av receiver was not on. Pioneer did a great job simulating surround sound out of the front firing speaker bar.

The speakers on my Sammy LCD are crap!!!

I agree with you buddy the sub woofer is very important I even stated it earlier

Umm exactly.... I will say it again FM4 was made for TV speakers and GT5 was made for SS yes it suck but this is true. I can play FM4 on my regular TV and enjoy the sounds all day When I play with my SS it's to loud and annoying and makes my speakers crackle. GT5 I will never play on my TV speakers, If you don't have a decent subwoofer good luck enjoying the audio. When I play with my 7.1 it's a whole new ball game. Engine sounds come out of the 3 front speakers and Exhaust from the back two. The subwoofer brings out the true deep sounds GT5 needs dearly. My surround speakers play a huge role bring out the small faint sounds and making them very noticeable. I have played FM since the 1st I am not making this up.

@Simon I will not waste my time we will just argue because In my respectful opinion your are super negative around here and all we will do is argue.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I know this is slightly off topic, how should I wire the stereo sound bar to be used as a center channel? Some google results say "serial" others say "parallel". I'm not worried about matching voice coils. My system is mixed as it is. Yamaha's YPAO system does a decent job with adjusting for this.

 

[masterrawad]

I know this is slightly off topic, how should I wire the stereo sound bar to be used as a center channel? Some google results say "serial" others say "parallel". I'm not worried about matching voice coils. My system is mixed as it is. Yamaha's YPAO system does a decent job with adjusting for this.

one step: kick the bass (100Hz) up a few notches. It seems to get rid of the vacuum-like sound that is apparent.

 

[Ganondorf]

That's rubbish. It sounds the same but with loads of distortion. Not really any good.