America - The Official Thread

[xyloscissor]

What on Earth does that have to do with Trump possibly violating the Constitution?

Everything, look at who is bringing the suit.

If all else fails he'll simply place everything in a blind trust, big whoop De do.

Nearly all of the Trump Organization’s newly announced deals in recent years have come from international licensing arrangements with third-party condo or hotel developers, such as a Trump-branded condo tower in Manila. As part of the trust arrangement, no new foreign deals would take place, according to Trump attorney Sheri Dillon. And any profits made from foreign government officials staying at Mr. Trump’s hotels would be donated to the U.S. Treasury, she said.

 

[Scaff]

Probably not but these sorts of things are safeguarded against by everything from his money, lawyers, and even the GOP. There is no way it will stick.

I know that the idea is to get him impeached but guess what? The GOP runs the house and people should be careful what they ask for anyway. Don't they realize that Pence would come in if Trump can't hold office? Why it's as if they think Hillary can still sit on her throne.



Not going to happen, none of it, and he is the sort of guy that the distraction won't bother him one bit so there isn't even a disruption in his agenda. I'm not saying this as a Trump supporter because I'm not one, I'm saying it as I try to use some simple common sense.

So no then. Seems strange that you are so sure it's all ok.

Oh and it has nothing to do with Hillary.

What on Earth does that have to do with Trump possibly violating the Constitution?

Nothing, but it does seem to be the stock answer to any question.

 

[xyloscissor]

So no then. Seems strange that you are so sure it's all ok.

Oh and it has nothing to do with Hillary.



Nothing, but it does seem to be the stock answer to any question.

Didn't I just say that? I'm talking about common sense here and also the fact that I have followed U.S. politics for my whole life because it fascinates me, only time will tell if I am wrong but my opinion is mine and it comes with reason.

It's not the end of the world as we know it, Trump is not Hitler he is the President of the U.S. and as such he is granted limited power in a system of checks and balances. Who actually thinks he ran for president to get rich? That is laughable, he spent his own money to campaign and he'd make way more money not wasting his time on the office for the next 4 years.

Boooo, Hillary lost. I wonder if these same liberal watchdogs would be after her ass if she was in office, ya think? I don't know, so many bad things she has done

 

[SlipZtrEm]

and he is the sort of guy that the distraction won't bother him one bit

We're talking about the guy that goes on late night Twitter rants about a comedy show, and had a first press conference that amounted to little more than "nuh uh, you're wrong, I'm right!"?

Yeah, he seems like the sort of person that doesn't focus on trivial things. If we're to call a massive conflict of interest trivial, I suppose.

Though you raise a valid concern: Pence is arguably scarier.

 

[xyloscissor]

We're talking about the guy that goes on late night Twitter rants about a comedy show, and had a first press conference that amounted to little more than "nuh uh, you're wrong, I'm right!"?

Yeah, he seems like the sort of person that doesn't focus on trivial things. If we're to call a massive conflict of interest trivial, I suppose.

Though you raise a valid concern: Pence is arguably scarier.

He might be all those things, I'd guess he never sleeps and loves himself a bit too much. He wasted no time in ditching the TPP though did he? How long do you think it will be before he gets what he wants out of NAFTA or just ditches them too?

He is a man of action and you have to give him that much, he's probably been sued everyday of his life since his 20's

I do know that these groups were not raising fuss while Obama was drone killing americans, that is just one so simple reason to question the motives.

 

[Scaff]

Didn't I just say that? I'm talking about common sense here and also the fact that I have followed U.S. politics for my whole life because it fascinates me, only time will tell if I am wrong but my opinion is mine and it comes with reason.

It's not the end of the world as we know it, Trump is not Hitler he is the President of the U.S. and as such he is granted limited power in a system of checks and balances. Who actually thinks he ran for president to get rich? That is laughable, he spent his own money to campaign and he'd make way more money not wasting his time on the office for the next 4 years.

Boooo, Hillary lost. I wonder if these same liberal watchdogs would be after her ass if she was in office, ya think? I don't know, so many bad things she has done

Which still doesn't change the fact that no-one has seen any independent proof of his conflicts of interests being resolved.

Oh and the other person obsessed with Hillary Clinton seems to be you.

 

[huskeR32]

Everything, look at who is bringing the suit.

So from here on, the only possible motivation behind any action taken by any Democrat is Hillary?

That's idiotic.

 

[xyloscissor]

Which still doesn't change the fact that no-one has seen any independent proof of his conflicts of interests being resolved.

Oh and the other person obsessed with Hillary Clinton seems to be you.

We'll see, and no I am not the only one. If you cannot see what is happening than you do not understand U.S. partisan politics.

I'm telling you if it comes down to it all he needs to do is set up a blind trust, and that is exactly what he will do. Problem solved quite simply, it's most likely not even a fly bugging him at a bbq at this point.

 

[Scaff]

We'll see, and no I am not the only one. If you cannot see what is happening than you do not understand U.S. partisan politics.

I'm telling you if it comes down to it all he needs to do is set up a blind trust, and that is exactly what he will do. Problem solved quite simply, it's most likely not even a fly bugging him at a bbq at this point.

Setting up a blind trust on that scale is not simple or easy, and I'm well aware of how US partisan politics functions, but to try and assign everything to it is nonsense.

 

[xyloscissor]

Setting up a blind trust on that scale is not simple or easy, and I'm well aware of how US partisan politics functions, but to try and assign everything to it is nonsense.

You win, we have our president and that is what we have, he'll be forced out of office.

 

[huskeR32]

I'm telling you if it comes down to it all he needs to do is set up a blind trust, and that is exactly what he will do.

According to a lot of people who understand presidential ethics laws far better than you or I, it has already come down to it. And yet, he's done nothing.

Problem solved quite simply,

If it was simple, then why hasn't he done so already? There are a lot of political points to be scored here, and if it was truly simple to do so, he would.

it's most likely not even a fly bugging him at a bbq at this point.

Which just serves to show how little he cares about the American people and their thoughts. Polling shows that a lot of people are concerned about this stuff, and it's not a simple party-line divide either.

 

[xyloscissor]

According to a lot of people who understand presidential ethics laws far better than you or I, it has already come down to it. And yet, he's done nothing.

Because he doesn't feel the need, right or wrong.

If it was simple, then why hasn't he done so already? There are a lot of political points to be scored here, and if it was truly simple to do so, he would.

Because he doesn't feel the need, right or wrong.

Which just serves to show how little he cares about the American people and their thoughts. Polling shows that a lot of people are concerned about this stuff, and it's not a simple party-line divide either.

I strongly disagree with that, he does care, that is why he ran for office, he might not care about trivial things such as showing his tax return but he does care.

Just look at what he is doing and ask yourself why? He might fail miserably but his conviction is not in question, he's giving back to the U.S. and I respect that.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Trump signs executive order withdrawing from TPP:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-24/trump-withdraws-from-tpp/8206356

Meanwhile, the other signatories to the TPP are willing to push on without America.

 

[Scaff]

You win, we have our president and that is what we have, he'll be forced out of office.

I've not said he would be forced out of office. You stated that his conflicts of interest had been resolved by his legal team. I simply asked, the quite reasonable question of if that had actually been shown, independently, to be the case.

At which point you went off on some odd tangent about partisan politics and Hillary.

Which is odd because the rather simple answer is no, it hasn't been shown to be the case.

I strongly disagree with that, he does care, that is why he ran for office, he might not care about trivial things such as showing his tax return but he does care.

It's not a trivial thing however and also goes to potential conflict as well, not to mention that a majority of Americans think he should show it and the matter that the reason he gave for not doing so was also untrue (an audit doesn't stop you doing it, as the IRS themselves confirmed).

 

[ryzno]

You don't think it's relevant? We're having a discussion about freedom of the press and here we've got one of the most senior figures of Trump's cabinet accusing the media of deliberately manipulating images to present a view of the event in line with a predetermined agenda. I think it's highly relevant given that Trump seems to be unable to respond to criticism without going on the attack.

That question was never directed at me to begin with. Thus I didn't see the need to respond. So I never avoided any question. That said it is relevant and they handled it poorly. As someone in the thread said, who cares how many people showed up. I wouldn't have stood in that weather and I voted for him. Hell I hate working in that weather too.

Looks like the biggest complaint would come from someone being lazy, not want wanting to put in a bit of effort, and actually trying to work out the logic. Not defending it either, but I would guess there is a large lack of effort to understand the reasoning behind the differences. I understood your linked example with very little effort on my part. I do not know if that speaks highly of me or lowly of others for a lack of effort. I suspect the latter, but would also not rule out the former.



A calculator is a crutch at a young age. Fundamentals, especially at a younger age, are more important than the solution. More people need to understand the how and why behind something and not just the end product. It makes one more versatile and knowledgeable.

I thought back on that after someone pointed out, that is how we do it in our mind. Still I wsn't taught it like that. I figured it out. We have to let our children learn somethings on their own. If they are having problems with math then hey use a different method.
As someone said in this thread, I honestly hated doing 12 step division, I was able to figure out in 4 steps. Guess what we got it wrong cause we didn't write it the way they wanted. Not everyone needs it to be broken down for them and we shouldn't be punished just cause we are smarter.
I wasn't moved or even knew about AP classes till High School, by then I had lost all interest.

I about died from my coffee when I saw this on FB this morning!

 

[xyloscissor]

Which is odd because the rather simple answer is no, it hasn't been shown to be the case.

I gave that answer of no though, pardon me for explaining my thought process on the matter. I will stand by what I have already said.

 

[Scaff]

I gave that answer of no though, pardon me for explaining my thought process on the matter. I will stand by what I have already said.

Your thought process isn't the issue, it's the claim that his legal team has got it all sorted, when the actual answer is that we only have his word for it.

Now that might be enough for you, but based on his track record for decades I'm going to be a little more cynical until it's actually shown to be the case.

 

[Hun200kmh]

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[xyloscissor]

Your thought process isn't the issue, it's the claim that his legal team has got it all sorted, when the actual answer is that we only have his word for it.

Now that might be enough for you, but based on his track record for decades I'm going to be a little more cynical until it's actually shown to be the case.

I've already said you are right, what more do you want? The truth is time is the only thing that will tell, I'm very confident nothing will come of it. He doesn't have a conflict of interest because he is not using the position to make money, something people don't seem to get.

We have had politicians do it in the past sure and it is indeed worth looking at, he has no need for that so basically it is an attack on his integrity, it's postering, it's left wacko for no reason and it will simply go away. If it does not, yay Pence!

 

[MisterWhiskers]

What the Hell is Trump thinking moving the embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? This is only provoking and isn't a step towards peace.

 

[Scaff]

I've already said you are right, what more do you want? The truth is time is the only thing that will tell, I'm very confident nothing will come of it. He doesn't have a conflict of interest because he is not using the position to make money, something people don't seem to get.

We have had politicians do it in the past sure and it is indeed worth looking at, he has no need for that so basically it is an attack on his integrity, it's postering, it's left wacko for no reason and it will simply go away. If it does not, yay Pence!

Now apart from that's not how a conflict of interest works, you can't say he will not use his position to make money. You have absolutely no way of knowing that, no one but him does, which is exactly why it's a conflict.

You also have hit the nail on the head of why it's an issue, people have done it in the past, and I'm sure it wasn't considered an issue when they came into office. Just as people who voted for Nixon didn't know what he would do.

The very reason why you remove all doubt is to ensure this doesn't happen in the first place, and by failing to do so Trump opens himself up to questions of why.

It's not wacko, it's perfectly valid and reasonable questions.

 

[xyloscissor]

Now apart from that's not how a conflict of interest works, you can't say he will not use his position to make money. You have absolutely no way of knowing that, no one but him does, which is exactly why it's a conflict.

You also have hit the nail on the head of why it's an issue, people have done it in the past, and I'm sure it wasn't considered an issue when they came into office. Just as people who voted for Nixon didn't know what he would do.

The very reason why you remove all doubt is to ensure this doesn't happen in the first place, and by failing to do so Trump opens himself up to questions of why.

It's not wacko, it's perfectly valid and reasonable questions.

Like I keep saying, bring on Pence.

 

[andrea]

This is real and it's going to be officially announced tomorrow.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2017-01798.pdf

 

[xyloscissor]

Might as well have it all.

A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose. Freedom is the birthright of all Americans, and to preserve that freedom we must maintain faith in our sacred values and heritage. Our Constitution is written on parchment, but it lives in the hearts of the American people. There is no freedom where the people do not believe in it; no law where the people do not follow it; and no peace where the people do not pray for it. There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish. NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 20, 2017, as National Day of Patriotic Devotion, in order to strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country -- and to renew the duties of Government to the people. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand seventeen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-first.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Followed swiftly by the National Day of Don't You Dare Talk About Abortion.

 

[McLaren]

I about died from my coffee when I saw this on FB this morning!

Thank goodness we allow open carry in Texas now. Wouldn't want to have to conceal my partner when out in public unless danger appeared.

 

[andrea]

Followed swiftly by the National Day of Don't You Dare Talk About Abortion.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Thank goodness we allow open carry in Texas now. Wouldn't want to have to conceal my partner when out in public unless danger appeared.

Do you personally get all the rights that the gun you're carrying has or is the gun considered a separate person?

#GLM

 

[Com Fox]

I mean, I'm not that surprised that this is coming from Trumps presidency. Lack of experience is showing.

Also National Day for patrionism, isn't that what Independence day is for?

 

[catamount39]

I mean, I'm not that surprised that this is coming from Trumps presidency. Lack of experience is showing.

Also National Day for patrionism, isn't that what Independence day is for?

Clearly it wasn't enough.