America - The Official Thread

[xyloscissor]

while most OSHA laws are left up to interpretation.

That is the gig, same thing I'm saying about the EPA, these guys are croney as it gets lol.

 

[Pako]

That is the gig, same thing I'm saying about the EPA, these guys are croney as it gets lol.

Yep!

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have no room for Jihad or Shiria law in my backyard thank you very much. Tell me how well it's working for the U.K., Switzerland and other counteries that have accepted with open arms? Yeah, generally, no thank you.

You can cross Switzerland off that list I think. Not part of the EU and quite a small number of refugees have gone there. They are also quite restrictive as to who they keep, who gets to stay etc. and they are also seizing assets to pay for upkeep.

 

[xyloscissor]

You can cross Switzerland off that list I think. Not part of the EU and quite a small number of refugees have gone there. They are also quite restrictive as to who they keep, who gets to stay etc. and they are also seizing assets to pay for upkeep.

Not just for you but you reminded of something another member posted some time ago that I really like, so without further ado I present to you Viktor. Great stuff well worth the read 👍

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/03/the-full-text-of-viktor-orbans-speech/

 

[Pako]

You can cross Switzerland off that list I think. Not part of the EU and quite a small number of refugees have gone there. They are also quite restrictive as to who they keep, who gets to stay etc. and they are also seizing assets to pay for upkeep.

Yet they have known hot zones of Muslim refugee areas that even authorities avoid. Sounds awesome. Can I have a dose of that here please?

 

[xyloscissor]

Yet they have known hot zones of Muslim refugee areas that even authorities avoid. Sounds awesome. Can I have a dose of that here please?

No you can't

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yet they have known hot zones of Muslim refugee areas that even authorities avoid. Sounds awesome. Can I have a dose of that here please?

I'm not saying it's perfect, just that they've allowed far fewer refugees proportionally, with many more restrictions and rules in place, leading to far fewer issues overall during this refugee crisis.

 

[Joey D]

I was talking about all of his decisions, not just this one. The whole pipeline thing from this morning is going to get ugly, you watch.

Which unfortunately is by people that know very little about what's actually going on. The Dakota Access Pipeline isn't on the Native American reservation, nor does it destroy anything deemed a culture resource. An archaeological team went in an did a massive study of the area. The water will also be protected since the pipeline is well beneath the ground and has emergency shut offs on either side of the river.

Also, the Native Americans didn't really seems to care when the DAPL was being discussed and didn't show up to meetings or hearings about the pipeline.

Despite the fact that these groups did not take part in the review process of the project, including three public hearings held in North Dakota by the Public Service Commission, there is now a halt to construction at the pipeline site crossing the Missouri River.

Source

And according to this article, many of the Natives in the area didn't even want the protesters there.

 

[xyloscissor]

Check this out and much thanks to the member who's name eludes me atm.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Which unfortunately is by people that know very little about what's actually going on. The Dakota Access Pipeline isn't on the Native American reservation, nor does it destroy anything deemed a culture resource. An archaeological team went in an did a massive study of the area. The water will also be protected since the pipeline is well beneath the ground and has emergency shut offs on either side of the river.

Also, the Native Americans didn't really seems to care when the DAPL was being discussed and didn't show up to meetings or hearings about the pipeline.


Source

And according to this article, many of the Natives in the area didn't even want the protesters there.

I think you should wait another 10 or 20 years and study this pipeline business. I mean, how do you know it's safe? Have these things been tested? Are there any other pipelines in the U.S.? Do any of them cross a river?

Apparently there are one or two already...

 

[prousonhairy]

Personal experience, OSHA director told their angencies in Montana to write fines and generate as much revenue as possible. A fine hits the companies Desk in weeks, but no joke, remediation reports don't show up for 18 months. In other words, your money is more important than the safety of your employees while most OSHA laws are left up to interpretation.

Ive heard of MSHA issuing $500 fines, for not having a working light bulb in a closet. But usually when you get fined by MSHA, it's 10k+. There's infractions that can go over 1 million.

Funny story, just two nights ago on midnight shift, me and another guy were cleaning in a compressor room. They are supposed to keep oil dry on the floor where there are oil leaks. There's 3 huge running compressors in this room, 10 foot long plus. We had to clean the concrete bases of these, and paint them. Covered in dirt and oil etc. We were told by our supervisor to use a Hotsy and spray what we could off with water(I actually thought this was a bad idea, if one of those compressors goes down it's very bad, moves our finished Portland cement to the silos). Anyways we swept up the oil dry and sprayed water, we got called off to do something else. We came back about 5am to clean up the water, and this old guy that puts the oil dry down every day was flipping out on us. He was so pissed we removed his oil dry, and wouldn't listen to us about what we were even doing. He told us it's an 850k dollar fine for not having oil dry down where there is leaking oil. I don't know if that's accurate or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

MSHA hits the small quarries hard, well they don't fine them any different, it's just that a few fines will put a small company out of business. That's the one thing about it, the company I works for the Kiln makes 72k dollars of clinker an hour. So they can handle fines way better then a small company.

https://bangordailynews.com/2011/01...ssessed-for-safety-violations/?ref=relatedBox

They are needed though, it doesn't take much if you're not being safe or using common sense, to get severely injured or killed around heavy machinery and equipment. It's just that it's hard to take it serious when you have an inspector who's in a bad mood so he's handing out fines left and right for insignificant things.

 

[xyloscissor]

I was talking about all of his decisions, not just this one. The whole pipeline thing from this morning is going to get ugly, you watch.

Do you have selective reading disorder? j/k, I addressed that at length not long ago, did you miss my posts?

 

[Pako]

Check this out and much thanks to the member who's name eludes me atm.

WOW!

 

[CodeRedR51]

Do you have selective reading disorder? j/k, I addressed that at length not long ago, did you miss my posts?

Nope, I avoid threads like this unless there's something to share.

 

[Biggles]

Not just for you but you reminded of something another member posted some time ago that I really like, so without further ado I present to you Viktor. Great stuff well worth the read 👍

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/03/the-full-text-of-viktor-orbans-speech/

Great stuff?

Viktor Orbán is a chilling exemplar of where all this could be heading. A nationalist leader with authoritarian, anti-free press tendencies who drastically altered the Hungarian constitution after gaining a large majority of parliamentary seats with a slim majority of the popular vote. Given the location of Hungary & its tortuous history of ethnic conflict, fascism, communism, anti-semitism, & nationalism, Orbán is stirring the pot in a dangerous way. It's ironic that Orbán's strongest suit is anti-immigrant populism, as more than 200,000 Hungarians refugees (including my own father) were taken in by other countries after 1956.

Nationalism led to decades of conflict in Europe culminating in two catastrophic global wars that left tens of millions dead & the continent devastated. Hungarians should know this better than anyone. International co-operation & global trade was the antidote to nationalism & shortsighted protectionism & has resulted in some 70 years of general peace, economic growth & unprecedented prosperity. Globalization may have its problems, but thinking that a world of "strong", nationalist, protectionist leaders each pursuing "me first" policies is going to work out well is naive in the extreme.

 

[prousonhairy]

Well here comes the plan for the Wall. I thought that was dropped? A wall isn't going to do any good unless it's 100 feet below ground as well.

http://usat.ly/2kqgbJy

 

[ryzno]

Well here comes the plan for the Wall. I thought that was dropped? A wall isn't going to do any good unless it's 100 feet below ground as well.

http://usat.ly/2kqgbJy

I didn't read the link but I joked with my friend, they probably quadrupled production of the tunnels when they saw he was gonna win.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Don't forget your gun.

Edit: Get ready for more protests.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38734450

Musket, you got to be specific.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I didn't read the link but I joked with my friend, they probably quadrupled production of the tunnels when they saw he was gonna win.

Yeah, wall will do no good when they just cross under ground.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What is Patriotic Devotion day and how is it different in celebrating the US to Independence Day?

Not enough Eagles?

I hope he goes after OSHA next to restore it back to an agency that is that to save lives not a head hunter agency who's sole purpose it to fine companies.

The way they save lives now (at least my instructor) is showing you a monthly list of all the deaths that could have been prevented if OSHA instructions were followed. And slides as well...of some graphic stuff.

@Joey D I love how the EPA says Coal Ash isn't a hazardous or toxic material and it's equates to a danger as big household garbage. Then you get issues where this low regulated material gets pumped out and then causes a major spill in Tennessee some years back when I first heard about it and the EPA says their hands are tied.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-waste-hazardous-standard-regulation/

 

[Johnnypenso]

Great stuff?

Viktor Orbán is a chilling exemplar of where all this could be heading. A nationalist leader with authoritarian, anti-free press tendencies who drastically altered the Hungarian constitution after gaining a large majority of parliamentary seats with a slim majority of the popular vote. Given the location of Hungary & its tortuous history of ethnic conflict, fascism, communism, anti-semitism, & nationalism, Orbán is stirring the pot in a dangerous way. It's ironic that Orbán's strongest suit is anti-immigrant populism, as more than 200,000 Hungarians refugees (including my own father) were taken in by other countries after 1956.

Nationalism led to decades of conflict in Europe culminating in two catastrophic global wars that left tens of millions dead & the continent devastated. Hungarians should know this better than anyone. International co-operation & global trade was the antidote to nationalism & shortsighted protectionism & has resulted in some 70 years of general peace, economic growth & unprecedented prosperity. Globalization may have its problems, but thinking that a world of "strong", nationalist, protectionist leaders each pursuing "me first" policies is going to work out well is naive in the extreme.

What is also naive is turning a blind eye to the everyday concerns and fears of the common man. The common man that feels that a monolithic, elitist, remote and gargantuan conglomerate of political and business elites are busy lining their own pockets and pursuing their expensive globalist agenda on the backs of those very same common men and women. Globalism has it's problems all right, the main one being the little guy is feeling left out, like everyone is benefiting except him. His wages seem awfully stagnant but his taxes keep going up and up, his energy is more and more expensive, the price of food is rising, he's regulated up the wazoo. Worst, he's told to shut the hell up, that he doesn't know what he's talking about, that those very same elites know what is best for him and that they way he thinks is wrong, outdated, born of some notion of privilege that he's neither earned or deserved, he was simply born with it.

Ignore the common man at your own peril. History tells us that sooner or later he's going to rise up. It's already happened with Brexit and Trump. It may continue and the EU might fall. Who knows where we'll end up.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'm tired of America haters coming to America.

They still can. I'm sure you can find "America haters" from all over the world.

 

[Pako]

Not enough Eagles?


The way they save lives now (at least my instructor) is showing you a monthly list of all the deaths that could have been prevented if OSHA instructions were followed. And slides as well...of some graphic stuff.

As recent as last year, in our industry, that approach was not used and would have been welcomed. I really do hope that is a preview of things to come.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

What is also naive is turning a blind eye to the everyday concerns and fears of the common man. The common man that feels that a monolithic, elitist, remote and gargantuan conglomerate of political and business elites are busy lining their own pockets and pursuing their expensive globalist agenda on the backs of those very same common men and women. Globalism has it's problems all right, the main one being the little guy is feeling left out, like everyone is benefiting except him. His wages seem awfully stagnant but his taxes keep going up and up, his energy is more and more expensive, the price of food is rising, he's regulated up the wazoo. Worst, he's told to shut the hell up, that he doesn't know what he's talking about, that those very same elites know what is best for him and that they way he thinks is wrong, outdated, born of some notion of privilege that he's neither earned or deserved, he was simply born with it.

Ignore the common man at your own peril. History tells us that sooner or later he's going to rise up. It's already happened with Brexit and Trump. It may continue and the EU might fall. Who knows where we'll end up.

Bolded part: So, Trump then?

"Common man" is a little misleading, if you're referring to middle-class, first-world citizens.

I make less than my father did at my age (even taking into account inflation) but I don't consider myself the "little guy", or that I'm "left out". The only real concern I have involving money is thanks to the red-hot Toronto real estate market.

I guess for some, it's really hard to differentiate: if you've had more privileges afforded to you for most of your life, other groups gaining access to those same privileges doesn't give you any less.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

As recent as last year, in our industry, that approach was not used and would have been welcomed. I really do hope that is a preview of things to come.

This was a few years back, I haven't had to renew my 10 hour

 

[TRGTspecialist]

It seems there is such a bias against Trump etc all on here.

Unless this is aimed at just certain members in particular, we've been reading very different forums.........

Where are the warnings for people posting gif's of trump's face with a Swastika on it ? Warnings for insinuating that trump protesters are KKK ?

Oh, I think I know the answer to this one - don't click or whine if you don't like it! Or something

Now before people's respective blood pressure shows a climb to higher altitude, I am not political and have never voted either here or in the U.K. The attempt at soliciting an emotional response with 'ra-ra right' serves only yourself.

Scaff, please delete my account. I no longer want to be part of biased moderation and dictatorship.

That escalated quickly............

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Does anyone else fear the EPA gag order is a sign of things to come? Republicans over the last decade have had the worst voting record on environment related bills.

Trump tweeted that "the concept of global warming is a fabrication created by and for the Chinese to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive".

 

[Scaff]

Scaff, please delete my account. I no longer want to be part of biased moderation and dictatorship.

Thank you.

We don't delete accounts on request, we do however expect members to follow the AUP they voluntarily agreed to on joining.

I have no room for Jihad or Shiria law in my backyard thank you very much. Tell me how well it's working for the U.K., Switzerland and other counteries that have accepted with open arms? Yeah, generally, no thank you.

Yet they have known hot zones of Muslim refugee areas that even authorities avoid. Sounds awesome. Can I have a dose of that here please?

Can you let me know the locations of these know UK Muslim refugee hit zones the police fear so much.

Trump tweeted that "the concept of global warming is a fabrication created by and for the Chinese to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive".

While getting some of his clothing line manufactured in China.

Has he threatened himself with a 35% border tax?

(A joke incase it needs pointing out.)

 

[niky]

Trump tweeted that "the concept of global warming is a fabrication created by and for the Chinese to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive".

The funny thing is, until China cornered the world market on solar panels, they had the exact same opinion of climate legislation, only with the words "Chinese" and "U.S." reversed.

The delicious irony.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

While getting some of his clothing line manufactured in China.

Speaking of China, our politicians are talking about the possibility of getting China in on the TPP. At the very least, we're going to try and go ahead with it. That may be a problem for Trump because a) it gives China the opportunity to exert more economic influence over the Asia-Pacific region, and b) Canada and Mexico are signatories to the TPP. If Trump pulls out of NAFTA, Canada and Mexico can align themselves with the TPP nations. Plus, Canada has close ties to the British Commonwealth, while Mexico will likely join Mercasor (if they haven't already).

Trump's economic policies - particularly the ones promoting isolation - amount to trying to undo globalisation. Even if he successfully moves to that position of isolation, it won't stop globalisation from continuing on. In the worst-case scenario, it could bring about a recession and even a depression to rival the Great Depression.