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Sure, but at least the country/society can try and help you getting as normal life as possible even with out have money.
People are people for with all the faults and all.
If you saw when I quoted Anthony is that it seemed like life is life, rich can get poor and poor can get rich.. And it seemed like this only could happen in USA.. So I just pointed out that in pretty much every country a person can succeed.
Take me for example, instead of buying a real estate like my friend I bought lots of toys for the track. I am not rich but I am fast
Dont take my post as Hate posts of USA. I love USA as it is crazy but if you guys just copied some things we have here is Europe you would be Great again
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It's a societal issue and I haven't seen anything to convince me the rest of the world is any more welcoming than what I've experienced here. Sure there are plenty of nice people, but to the majority you might as well be a leper.
I guess it's one of those things you have to have gone through to understand.
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Dont take my post as Hate posts of USA. I love USA as it is crazy but if you guys just copied some things we have here is Europe you would be Great again
The problem with the US trying to be more like Europe is population difference. We have nearly 320 million people, while Germany, the most populist country in Europe has 84 million. Even if you consider Russia as part of Europe, they only have something like 150 million people. Having a population in excess of 300 million is much harder to govern then one of 80 million.
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You just said that we need to do a better job of taking care of those that are not as well off as others, so I point out that even poor people can become successful if they work hard enough instead of taking benefits for granted and you reply with it's "nothing special" because it happens in other places? Nice logic there. It happening elsewhere has no relevance to the situation because you said people can't do it here and I proved that it does.
Am I supposed to help someone who deliberately chooses to work less hours even though they can because those hours would take them off government assistance? What about the people who beg professionally for money despite the fact that they don't need to beg in the first place? How am I supposed to know if someone will go home to sleep in a tent or go to a Mercedes and drive home to their fancy house? Or the people who choose not to work because they get more from unemployment than they would working for entry wages despite the fact that working long term will make them more money in the future with raises? All you've done is act as if we're a bunch of narcissistic asses that only care about ourselves, but there's only so much we can do when people refuse to help themselves first.
You said someone was trolling for saying that you don't know about how we operate here and then turned around and called one of the most important documents in the US of all time gibberish. Someone proved that Americans do care about our fellow man and then danced around it was proven that we do care about others. You said we don't give enough healthcare but ignored the fact that hospitals by law have to give care regardless of income. Hell, you completely ignored the posts of people who use EBTs to buy junk food instead of healthier food. Like I just said a paragraph ago, we do what we can, but it's on people to better themselves first. Hell, I'm unemployed right now myself. Are you going to blame America for that, or will you blame me? I can say with a straight face that my lack of a job is on my end, but seeing your posts, I wouldn't be shocked if you somehow try to make a point of blaming America for that.
xyloscissor
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you are over exagarting what i was trying to say. I just pointed out that it is as easy to succeed in other parts of the world as in USA as long as you work for it too.
And I called the declaration of independace as gibberish but only for him, as he did think it was only ok to think about himself and not others. With out thinking of your fellow citizen and his wellbeing you stop have a country.
For me it is also gibberish as I cant understand how words can help anyone when noone is willing to lift a finger for anybody else. The words loose its meaning. Dont you agree?
If trump becomes crazy with power and send the feds on a place and noone cares because they only think about themselves how will the declaration help them? somebody needs to think about the citizens that are in need, dont you think?
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xyloscissor
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False, but keep on thinking that if it makes you happy. I've already proven your premise completely off base. I only care for myself? wrong. I'll tell you something I hope you will understand, I am not a libertarian, I am not a republican either. Figure it out, less government, the constitution is important, there is a term for that.
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What? so the words themselves will defend the citizens from the government if no one is willing/ignoring those getting abused by the government?
If people are like you caring only for themselves who will help them?
Someone needs to do it...
that is why I said that the declaration is gibberish for you, ie means nothing.
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Again, you just said that we don't take care of our poor. Deflecting the fact that our poor still have the same opportunities as those who are better off means that we are doing pretty well at taking care of the poor.
The guy that you said the Declaration of Independence was gibberish for also just said that he gave someone a chance to better themselves and allowed a man down on his luck to sleep in his house. So how does it lose its meaning when @xyloscissor did what those words say?
Trump can't become that power hungry without being shut down by Congress or the Supreme Court. If he became that power crazy, they could impeach him if they think that he is a threat to democracy. In fact, Trump would need to consult Chicago and Illinois governments before even bringing in the Feds, and their power itself is limited as well.
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Some people will never understand what it means to be an american, I'm convinced of that and I'll tell you why. They have hardened hearts, they know they would do wrong if there was not a government to keep them in check. Thank God we are not that people, government does not define a populus, the people do.
Some people will never understand what it means to be an american, I'm convinced of that and I'll tell you why. They have hardened hearts, they know they would do wrong if there was not a government to keep them in check. Thank God we are not that people, government does not define a populus, the people do.
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How can somebody poor succeed if he has no money to study to become something. He must work hard or his parents have double jobs so they can send him of. In here everyone that has the brain can be what ever he wants without paying for the education as everyone has about the same chance. Rich or poor and healthy or handicapped.
That is fair in my book even if you are less fortunate.
I hope Trump does a good job, as I like his outspokeness but who knows maybe he will crown himself emperor of America
What is different between an American and somebody else ie a non American? Nothing...
But we do not need to pay for our medical bills when we are badly ill or injured.
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xyloscissor
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The smartest people here like anywhere else get scholarships that cut school payments by a set amount. The best of the best and student-athletes get full-rides that mean they don't pay a dime for their education. Ben Carson went to Yale on a full-ride. I chose the college I went to because it gave a good education at a very good price. I still have a lot of debt to pay off, but I know others with $1,000 monthly payments. It's the one issue that I did agree with that Bernie brought up because that is an issue.How can somebody poor succeed if he has no money to study to become something. He must work hard or his parents have double jobs so they can send him of. In here everyone that has the brain can be what ever he wants without paying for the education as everyone has about the same chance. Rich or poor and healthy or handicapped.
That is fair in my book even if you are less fortunate.
I hope Trump does a good job, as I like his outspokeness but who knows maybe he will crown himself emperor of America
What is different between an American and somebody else? Nothing...
But we do not need to pay for our medical bills when we are badly ill or injured.
My dad always taught me to try to help when you can because he himself was once down on his luck. But I still can't ignore the fact that I never know if the person begging actually needs help or if they are exploiting hearts to make money.
I hope he does too even though I didn't vote for him. I knew my candidate probably wouldn't win, but I always hope that our president does well regardless of what I think of them.
ACA (Obamacare) was a crack at a more European style system. It did help get more people insured, but many with insurance already are either paying more than they were before or are paying the same amount with less coverage than they had before. It also fines people that don't have coverage which makes some people even worse off than they were before. I know that for a fact because it is one of the things that my brother-in-law often complains about. Like @Joey D said, there are some things that will never work here even though they do in Europe simply due to the population, and healthcare happens to be one of them.
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It was not a question you needed to answer if you read my post correctly, I know English is my first language but please...I gave you a very simple not open for debate example how
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So hospitals are constructed of free materials and everyone donates their labour? Doctors, nurses and all the support staff work for free? All the medical supplies, drugs etc. are donated for free?
FYI, regarding the public/private land split, if you took all the Federal land and formed a county with it, it would be the 10th largest country in the entire world, bigger than Mexico and bigger than every country in Europe by several multiples.
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You do not even know what that is to be fair.
I have talked with an Older American here, and he laughed about the whole obama care. He complained that it was doomed to fail form the start as the insurance companies were responsible for the assignment so to speak. Of course the premieres would sky rocket. If they would actually want to make it a real free health care for all then it would be based on the taxation of the country and the insurances would still be as they are. for example if I hur myself I get free healthcare but because I have two extra insurances I or may family money too.
Tax my friends, tax... doctors and nurses are getting their salary form the taxes of the people.
like infrastructure and military, healthcare is funded by taxation.
just for 25-33% of your salary your soul belongs to the state
I have talked with an Older American here, and he laughed about the whole obama care. He complained that it was doomed to fail form the start as the insurance companies were responsible for the assignment so to speak. Of course the premieres would sky rocket. If they would actually want to make it a real free health care for all then it would be based on the taxation of the country and the insurances would still be as they are. for example if I hur myself I get free healthcare but because I have two extra insurances I or may family money too.
Tax my friends, tax... doctors and nurses are getting their salary form the taxes of the people.
like infrastructure and military, healthcare is funded by taxation.
just for 25-33% of your salary your soul belongs to the state
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xyloscissor
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You do not even know what that is to be fair.
I have talked with an Older American here, and he laughed about the whole obama care. He complained that it was doomed to fail form the start as the insurance companies were responsible for the assignment so to speak. Of course the premieres would sky rocket. If they would actually want to make it a real free health care for all then it would be based on the taxation of the country and the insurances would still be as they are. for example if I hur myself I get free healthcare but because I have two extra insurances I or may family money too.
Tax my friends, tax... doctors and nurses are getting their salary form the taxes of the people.
like infrastructure and military healthcare is funded by taxation.
just for 25-33% of your salary your soul belongs to the state
So you are saying he was correct? It's good to see that you recognise that. I'm still asking were you live and it's not a bait question as I'm already thinking your country has benefited from our great republic, is that not true? Do tell.
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Tax my friends, tax... doctors and nurses are getting their salary form the taxes of the people.
like infrastructure and military, healthcare is funded by taxation.
just for 25-33% of your salary your soul belongs to the state
Thing is though, a hospital and a health system is way more than just doctors and nurses. Even if taxes just paid them, what would the rest of us do? I work on a team of 30 people that just manages the registration and scheduling end of the clinics for the health system I work for. There are something like 400 people in total that manage all of the technical aspects of day-to-day operations of the hospital.
A healthcare system is a huge operation that requires a massive amount of support staff to keep running.
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Socialism? hehe man we are pretty much as capitalistic as you are, as we even capitalise on the "socialism" part.
We have probably same treatments as you have, Astrazeneca is one of the providers for example. Like I said, all we dont have is the fat bills that you get..
Dont think that a country that some of your Republican politicians describe as socialistic is not free or have nothing.. we have all you have and we are as capitalistic as you are.
A western country is still a western country after all.
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Who appointed America as the greatest nation? America did. Hardly the most objective assessment, is it? It would be a bit like me going around declaring that I'm the greatest GTP member ever without a shred of evidence to prove it.I genuinely laughed out loud at this, thank you. The last time I heard that was at a Black Lives Matter "rally" I had to work.
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You are describing socialism first off, and I noticed you did not answer my question. I know that many countries have a mix of both socialism and capitalism and it works well, there is no disputing that. Care to answer my question?
There might be some evidence against it however.
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The Trump effect. Posted yesterday about a FedEx driver that interrupted a flag burning by some left-wing radicals by ripping the flag out of their hands. Instead of getting fired, he remains an employee and FedEx has no plans to alter his employment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/2...ideo-saving-old-glory-from-being-torched.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/2...ideo-saving-old-glory-from-being-torched.html
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All European countries have that to some extent. Even USA have it to some degree.
Astrazeneca, have you heard of it? two companies got together. guess from which countries?
And because most of the companies are American does not mean people working in them are mostly American.
To be fair, small countries have come up with a lot of tech too, if you compare it by bnp I think they even outperform mighty USA. It is not a we are better then USA post, but USA should take some lessons from some of the other first world countries. And yes, more socialism as you call it would not be that bad, Bernie is like a normal politician here. And he was not that bad wasn't he?
Or do you think he is the boogie man himself?
Astrazeneca, have you heard of it? two companies got together. guess from which countries?
And because most of the companies are American does not mean people working in them are mostly American.
To be fair, small countries have come up with a lot of tech too, if you compare it by bnp I think they even outperform mighty USA. It is not a we are better then USA post, but USA should take some lessons from some of the other first world countries. And yes, more socialism as you call it would not be that bad, Bernie is like a normal politician here. And he was not that bad wasn't he?
Or do you think he is the boogie man himself?
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I don't hate you at all. I just don't think that you're as great as you claim you are. Your health and education systems are deeply flawed at best, your country is hopelessly divided on every social issue, you have massive problems with social inequality, and you seem to accept some things that should be horrifying (I'm thinking of school shootings) as being completely normal.
If this is "greatness", you've set the bar pretty low.
That's not the point I'm trying to make, and you know it.
