America - The Official Thread

[Pillo-san]

How dare you question the story that America tells the world about itself without any objective evidence to support their claim? Obviously, you're an America-hater.

Hehe I wish I was an America Hater. But all those Sci-fi movies and all those muscle cars. It is hard to hate some thing that gives so much joy, but it is important to talk about the parts one do not think are that flattering

If I would dislike USA I would not even be talking about it, for example like with Saudi Arabia.

 

[Com Fox]

What is the greatest country on Earth then?

Honestly, this is rather subjective than an objective view as people have their own idea on the perfect country, that's why we have so many different Political ideas. If someone finds America to be the greatest country than their idea of a perfect country probably alligns with America right now more than any other country.

 

[andrea]

It is legitimately disgusting that green card holders are being denied entry into their country.

A green card holder is a lawful, legal permanent resident of the United States of America.

He is now denying people access to their homes, jobs and family. This was never one of his promises.

 

[Joey D]

I mean there is a difference between a great country for the individuals and a great country for companies.
Pretty much every country on earth is for free market, yet it seems you have no rights in USA as a worker and more like a do it or get out(slave). ie you have the freedom to leave if it is not up to snuff. If you get fired what will happen with your health insurance? How many days of do Americans get? How many days of for taking care of their children when they are ill or how many days can you be at home when you are a new parent with a new born?

Once again, you've never lived here so how could you possible know what it's like to work here? Quit making baseless assumptions.

Workers in the US are protected, if you lose your job you can still carry health insurance for 18 months with COBRA. It's the same coverage you had while you were working, you still have to pay for it but you have to pay for insurance even if it's a benefit from your company. I pay $170 a month for insurance through my employer and my coverage is excellent.

As for how many days do you get to take off? That depends on the company, I get 28 days plus 10 paid holidays a year. I can bank up to 600 hours of paid time off (75 days) and after that it just gets cashed out at 100%.

Some jobs do not have good benefits, but any company that wants quality employees in the US has to offer competitive benefits, which includes health insurance, vacation time, retirement, and any number of other perks. I get free public transportation, greatly reduced home and auto insurance, pet insurance, life insurance, the ability to work from home whenever I want, and a huge mobile phone discount.

 

[Pillo-san]

What is the greatest country on Earth then?

Honestly, this is rather subjective than an objective view as people have their own idea on the perfect country, that's why we have so many different Political ideas. If someone finds America to be the greatest country than their idea of a perfect country probably alligns with America right now more than any other country.

Subjective? well the country where you are most "happiest". Where you do not need to worry about food, health, education and does not feel like an outsider of the society and that without being wealthy.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Subjective? well the country where you are most "happiest"

Bhutan is the only country that tries to measure its citizens' happiness.

 

[Northstar]

Subjective? well the country where you are most "happiest". Where you do not need to worry about food, health, education and does not feel like an outsider of the society and that without being wealthy.

What are you basing this off of? Is it the same source of the "you can't go anywhere in your own country" claim?

If you are living here and have to worry about any of those things besides a good education (our system is terrible) you are doing something wrong.

 

[Pillo-san]

Once again, you've never lived here so how could you possible know what it's like to work here? Quit making baseless assumptions.

Workers in the US are protected, if you lose your job you can still carry health insurance for 18 months with COBRA. It's the same coverage you had while you were working, you still have to pay for it but you have to pay for insurance even if it's a benefit from your company. I pay $170 a month for insurance through my employer and my coverage is excellent.

As for how many days do you get to take off? That depends on the company, I get 28 days plus 10 paid holidays a year. I can bank up to 600 hours of paid time off (75 days) and after that it just gets cashed out at 100%.

Some jobs do not have good benefits, but any company that wants quality employees in the US has to offer competitive benefits, which includes health insurance, vacation time, retirement, and any number of other perks. I get free public transportation, greatly reduced home and auto insurance, pet insurance, life insurance, the ability to work from home whenever I want, and a huge mobile phone discount.

pretty good actually.

here it varrys but it is pretty much as follows:
two weeks at Christmas, a month in the summer. then all the "red days"(they vary depending on the year)
I can be ill pretty much how many times I want, or when my kid is sick. A parent with a newborn can be at home directly 10 days/child as a father. Per 1.5 year a parent can be away form work for 240days with the child.

You are insured to and from the work, and at the work without any extra cost. For about 60bucks you pay for the union if you want and the in that sum you have the insurance that if you get fired or something you will get paid 80% of a base sum of 1800bucks with ability to have 100% of your salary if you pay an extra fee.

@Northstar in US it seems you can not go anywhere if the woods/land is private. In some countries you can go pretty much where you want, even if someone owns the land. But of course you are not allowed to break stuff or make a mess. You leave the place as when you found the spot. It is pretty much based by mutual respect, if people would be jack asses this would not be allowed of course.

 

[Johnnypenso]

pretty good actually.

here it varrys but it is pretty much as follows:
two weeks at Christmas, a month in the summer. then all the "red days"(they vary depending on the year)
I can be ill pretty much how many times I want, or when my kid is sick. A parent with a newborn can be at home for directly 10 days/child as a father. Per 1.5 year a parent can be away form work for 240days with the child.

You are insured to and from the work, and at the work without any extra cost. For about 60bucks you pay for the union if you want and the in that you have the insurance that if you get fired or something you will get paid 80% of a base sum of 1800bucks with ability to have 100% of your salary if you pay an extra fee.

@Northstar in US it seems you can not go anywhere if the woods/land is private. In some countries you can go pretty much where you want, even if someone owns the land. But of course you are not allowed to break stuff or make a mess. You leave the place as when you found the spot. It is pretty much based by mutual respect, if people would be jack asses this would not be allowed of course.

In which countries are you allowed to encroach on private property so long as you don't break stuff and make a mess? Multiple sources please.

 

[Pillo-san]

In which countries are you allowed to encroach on private property so long as you don't break stuff and make a mess? Multiple sources please.

Just google it

Basically I could put up a tent in your backyard If I wanted.
The thing is you could simply say that I disturb you and I have to go away.
But if is big landmass/forest or whatever you can freely stroll or whatever as long as you respect the nature. Of course using motorised vehicles without permission.

 

[Joey D]

In which countries are you allowed to encroach on private property so long as you don't break stuff and make a mess? Multiple sources please.

I think it's called "freedom to roam" or something. I know the Scandinavian countries allow it along with Scotland. I'm sure there are other places that practice it as well but I'm not sure. I believe you still can't harvest any natural resources or hunt on private lands in those countries though, I think it really only applies to hikers.

 

[Dennisch]

Just google it

Basically I could put up a tent in your backyard If I wanted.
The thing is you could simply say that I disturb you and I have to go away.
But if is big landmass/woods or whatever you can freely stroll or whatever as long as you respect the nature.

You wouldn't be allowed to do that here in the Netherlands.

I can remove you with reasonable force from my land and you would still be the one arrested for trespassing.

 

[Pillo-san]

I think it's called "freedom to roam" or something. I know the Scandinavian countries allow it along with Scotland. I'm sure there are other places that practice it as well but I'm not sure. I believe you still can't harvest any natural resources or hunt on private lands in those countries though, I think it really only applies to hikers.

you can pick mushrooms and berries if you want.

But like I said, everything is based on mutual respect for nature.
There are like thousands of lakes, would be a shame if no one would be allowed to enjoy them.

 

[samurai8juice]

I can remove you with reasonable force from my land and you would still be the one arrested for trespassing.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just google it

Basically I could put up a tent in your backyard If I wanted.
The thing is you could simply say that I disturb you and I have to go away.
But if is big landmass/forest or whatever you can freely stroll or whatever as long as you respect the nature. Of course using motorised vehicles without permission.

I don't need to prove it because I didn't make the claim. I'm awaiting your sources from multiple countries as you suggested.

 

[Pillo-san]

I don't need to prove it because I didn't make the claim. I'm awaiting your sources from multiple countries as you suggested.

? google it... someone already beat you to it

It is a pity USA do not have those laws but I guess the country/continent is so large that the pre made/allowed walking paths are more then enough for people to see the nature.

 

[ryzno]

Because, the world watches USA.

It was red army that freed one of my home country...
The other has been "neutral"

Enough riddles... What country do you live in? You talk highly of it, but you won't tell us where, so we can compare.

 

[Northstar]

Enough riddles... What country do you live in? You talk highly of it, but you won't tell us where, so we can compare.

Sweden, at least that's what his profile page says.

 

[xyloscissor]

I can be ill pretty much how many times I want

I'm hoping this is a language barrier because if you want to be sick there is a problem. If you are speaking of sick days at work it varies from job to job and there is a difference between paid sick days and non paid sick days.

Here in america we never get sick anyway

In which countries are you allowed to encroach on private property so long as you don't break stuff and make a mess? Multiple sources please.

I believe the idea is taken directly from Marx.


Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists

 

[ryzno]

Here in america we never get sick anyway

Speak for yourself.

 

[05XR8]

There's protesting at one of the airports where it's snowing. I think I saw John McLane in the crowd. He'll sort it.

 

[andrea]

Federal court halts Trump's immigration ban

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-halts-trumps-immigration-ban

The federal court for the Eastern District of New York issued an emergency stay halting President Donald Trump’s executive order banning entry to the US from seven majority-Muslim countries tonight, following widespread protests at airports around the country.

The court ruled on a habeas corpus petition filed by the ACLU on behalf of Hameed Khalid Darweesh and Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, who were denied entry to the US upon landing at JFK airport in New York City and detained indefinitely by Customs and Border Patrol. Darweesh spent a decade working for the United States military in Iraq as an interpreter and engineer and had been granted an entry visa after background checks; Alshawi had been granted a visa in order to join his wife and son who are already permanent residents of the US after their similar service with the US military.

Trump’s executive order halts all immigration from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and Syria. The ban was issued late on Friday, leading to widespread confusion about how it would be implemented and enforced, chaos as those decisions were made quickly and without a great deal of transparency, and controversy as the essential legality of a ban that effectively targets Muslims was called into question.

Protests have erupted at airports around the country in response to the ban, and the tech industry has signaled significant opposition to it in tones ranging from measured to morally outraged.

The court’s stay is temporary; it’s clear that the White House will argue to have it reinstated as soon as possible.

Brilliant.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Brilliant.

I'll see your brilliant and raise you an ominous - Kellyanne Conway just Tweeted this:

Get used to it. @POTUS is a man of action and impact.
Promises made, promises kept.
Shock to the system.
And he's just getting started

 

[Parker]

Who appointed America as the greatest nation? America did. Hardly the most objective assessment, is it? It would be a bit like me going around declaring that I'm the greatest GTP member ever without a shred of evidence to prove it.

What are you talking about? You said, and I quote...

When Trump first announced his plans to "Make America Great Again", most of the people I know responded by asking "was America really all that great to begin with?" - and the answer was a resounding "no".

You said nothing about America being the greatest, you and your friends think America was never great. Something or someone can be great while another person or thing is greater. Cream is a fantastic band, Led Zeppelin is better, that doesn't mean Cream was never great.

 

[fatkrakr]

Federal court halts Trump's immigration ban

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-halts-trumps-immigration-ban


Brilliant.

It will be inconvenient for some for a few weeks till all the logistics are worked out. Sucks but life will go on regardless.

 

[andrea]

I'll see your brilliant and raise you an ominous - Kellyanne Conway just Tweeted this:

You mean the failed up stand up comedian, who is now a spokesperson for Donald Trump.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

You mean the failed up stand up comedian, who is now a spokesperson for Donald Trump?

I wouldn't call her a failed stand-up comedian. I fell out of my chair laughing when I heard about "alternative facts". It's easy but unwise to impugn her - we all did the same with Trump, and now we're stuck with him. His decision to bring about a blanket ban on all immigration from selected Muslim-majority countries was pretty extreme, so for Conway to promise that "he's just getting started" should send shivers down our spines.

 

[McLaren]

? google it... someone already beat you to it

It is a pity USA do not have those laws but I guess the country/continent is so large that the pre made/allowed walking paths are more then enough for people to see the nature.

That doesn't excuse the fact that if you're making the claim, it's your job to back it up, not ours to go hunting for it.

Regardless, much of what you keep complaining about is already done here. You're just arguing for the sake of it, purposely ignoring a lot of posts that have told you otherwise.

 

[xyloscissor]

now we're stuck with him.

Here is where the problem lies, do you live in the U.S.? Am I stuck with your PM? No.

 

[ryzno]

? google it... someone already beat you to it

It is a pity USA do not have those laws but I guess the country/continent is so large that the pre made/allowed walking paths are more then enough for people to see the nature.

Wow. We have crosswalks so people can safely cross busy streets.
As far as National Parks, you can go off trail at your own risk. If you go over a Do Not Pass sign you are Trespassing. Pretty simple.

Edit. The Do Not Pass signs are for your own safety.