America - The Official Thread

[xyloscissor]

Like his wall idea, it will keep the masses entertained for a while, whilst he and his business cronies continue to make the really important decisions to protect their own business interests.

I honestly don't think that is true, while I dislike him a great deal I don't see anything he is doing simply to line his pockets. I simply do not see it that way. Being the POTUS is a royal pain in the ass, if he wanted to further his business and money the last thing he could do is be the POTUS because there are easier ways.

The way I see it, we've discussed it a bit already so I'll just say; if what he does is in his best interest so what as long as it is also in the countries best interest.

 

[Scaff]

There is a reason we do not like Iran, well more than one actually because of Israel whom we will defend. But our memories are not as short as maybe they should be.



That was not cool at all, I remember seeing the people in the streets burning our flag. If a few bad apples sour the barrel so what, we don't need those people here.

After all its not as if the US gave them any reason at all to be unhappy was it?

They didn't overthrow a democratically elected secular leader and install a puppet ruler who had a fine line in abuse, torture and repression, all so US and British business could get its hands on oil.

Oh wait yes we did.

You post as if this dislike for the US had no basis at all in any US actions, yet have the nerve to cite a 'long memory', when did Iran overthrow a US president and install a puppet regime?

 

[Dotini]

The way I see it, we've discussed it a bit already so I'll just say; if what he does is in his best interest so what as long as it is also in the countries best interest.

Trump is definitely not doing what is in his best interest. He is very likely to be shot, impeached or otherwise hated, vilified and destroyed. What he is doing is trying to implement his campaign promises: power to the people (populism), America first (nationalism), peace (no more foreign wars), prosperity (jobs, jobs, jobs) and safety (law and order).

 

[xyloscissor]

@Stotty

No, I do know why. All the more reason is it not? Pointing fingers is silly as it clearly is our fault, so we should let them in anyway? I don't think so, do you?

Oops that should have been tagged for @Scaff, sorry Chris

 

[CodeRedR51]

...while I dislike him a great deal...

With as much time as you spend in here defending him, you would think quite the opposite.

 

[Dotini]

With as much time as you spend in here defending him, you would think quite the opposite.

How could anyone like a rich, big-talking playboy from New York City, complete with big belly and Elvis hairdo?
NO, we don't like him for that. We like him for his bold actions to try to get us back to peace and prosperity.

 

[xyloscissor]

With as much time as you spend in here defending him, you would think quite the opposite.

what part of he is my president do you not understand? I don't know about you and whatever you feel is fine, I am an american and it bothered me just as much when others from either party where hammered. It is very true that I gave more crap to Obama than Trump so far, but I have been very critical of Bush Jr. for instance.

 

[Scaff]

@Stotty

No, I do know why. All the more reason is it not? Pointing fingers is silly as it clearly is our fault, so we should let them in anyway? I don't think so, do you?

Oops that should have been tagged for @Scaff, sorry Chris

Do you actually think that all Iranians (or even the majority) want to destroy the US?

Have you actually met any Iranians?

Are you aware that Iran has a large Jewish population?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

We left behind the corruption of Europe

Yep. America is corruption-free! Job done, there.

"And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy." ~ Donald J. Trump

Can we please toss this notion of Trump being a sexual predator into the same trash heap as Trump being Hitler?

Just so we're clear, when an alleged sexual assault happens, so long as the accused says they were given permission, there's no questioning whether its accurate or not?

Do you actually think that all Iranians (or even the majority) want to destroy the US?

Have you actually met any Iranians?

Are you aware that Iran has a large Jewish population?

It's a bit like judging all Americans based on the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[Dotini]

Are you aware that Iran has a large Jewish population?

There may even be a few Zoroastrians.

 

[xyloscissor]

Do you actually think that all Iranians (or even the majority) want to destroy the US?

Have you actually met any Iranians?

Are you aware that Iran has a large Jewish population?

I honestly believe that Iranians are a very good people, I do. Yes I have met some, some live close to me. Hopefully we can mend relations at some point but I was simply pointing out some history, you can take it as you will. Did you conveniently skip the part where I said our memory is too long?

I think you did.

Yep. America is corruption-free! Job done, there.

So we have our own corruption now, what I said is still true.

 

[Scaff]

I honestly believe that Iranians are a very good people, I do. Yes I have met some, some live close to me. Hopefully we can mend relations at some point but I was simply pointing out some history, you can take it as you will. Did you conveniently skip the part where I said our memory is too long?

I think you did.

I don't think I did, given that was the point behind my post that Iran has arguably good reason to have a longer memory, i.e. that's not a valid reason for the US to use for banning Iranian nationals.

 

[Dotini]

I don't think I did, given that was the point behind my post that Iran has arguably good reason to have a longer memory, i.e. that's not a valid reason for the US to use for banning Iranian nationals.

We make Iran a convenient whipping boy for no more reasons than Israel, Saudi Arabia and campaign rhetoric against Obama's (really not so bad) deal with them.

 

[CodeRedR51]

We like him for his bold actions to try to get us back to peace and prosperity.

Well he's done one hell of a job so far, hasn't he?

what part of he is my president do you not understand?

I really don't care to be honest.

 

[xyloscissor]

I don't think I did, given that was the point behind my post that Iran has arguably good reason to have a longer memory, i.e. that's not a valid reason for the US to use for banning Iranian nationals.

I disagree but I also disagree with the ban. You don't advocate peace by force do you? If the situation was not so heated at the moment it would be much easier to make peace with Iran, but there is ISIS and Syria, all the other stuff we have done in Iraq and Libya and so on. At the moment things are pretty tense don't you agree?

So, while I do not like the Muslim ban in any way I have to agree with it to an extent at this time.

Obama's (really not so bad) deal with them.

No, that was horrible in my mind.

 

[Blitz24]

Do you actually think that all Iranians (or even the majority) want to destroy the US?

Have you actually met any Iranians?

Are you aware that Iran has a large Jewish population?

I have met a few Iranians and they are not anti-US. Rather its the leadership that is.

As for a large Jewish population? Its the second largest in Asia (behind Israel and just ahead of Azerbaijan) as of 2012. Again its interesting because they don't have a problem with Jews but they have a problem with Israel existing.

 

[Dotini]

Well he's done one hell of a job so far, hasn't he?

If it were easy, someone else would have already done it. But the establishment of both parties has effed up, so we got impatient and elected an amateur outsider.

 

[Stotty]

I have met a few Iranians and they are not anti-US. Rather its the leadership that is.

As for a large Jewish population? Its the second largest in Asia (behind Israel and just ahead of Azerbaijan) as of 2012. Again its interesting because they don't have a problem with Jews but they have a problem with Israel existing.

Governments make war, not populations.

 

[xyloscissor]

If it were easy, someone else would have already done it. But the establishment of both parties has effed up, so we got impatient and elected an amateur outsider.

Don't worry, some people simply like to hate, it makes them happy.

Governments make war, not populations.

But but but Democracy or some sort lol. TBH I do think the people should be behind their government or they should ditch it, It might not be reality but why not?

It's like Americans saying they support their troops but not the war, I have to disagree.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have met a few Iranians and they are not anti-US. Rather its the leadership that is.

As for a large Jewish population? Its the second largest in Asia (behind Israel and just ahead of Azerbaijan) as of 2012. Again its interesting because they don't have a problem with Jews but they have a problem with Israel existing.

Your average German was probably a pretty good bloke 75 year ago as well. The guy in charge was a bit of a loon though and that didn't end well.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Don't worry, some people simply like to hate, it makes them happy.

I'm not sorry if I completely dislike our newly appointed leader. The guy is an idiot, he's already made horrible choices, and I encourage those out there that are standing up and refusing to comply to take a stand. If we're lucky, we'll oust him sooner rather than later. "Because he's my president" doesn't mean jack to me.

 

[xyloscissor]

Your average German was probably a pretty good bloke 75 year ago as well. The guy in charge was a bit of a loon though and that didn't end well.

Yet he was supported.

I'm not sorry if I completely dislike our newly appointed leader. The guy is an idiot, he's already made horrible choices, and I encourage those out there that are standing up and refusing to comply to take a stand. If we're lucky, we'll oust him sooner rather than later. "Because he's my president" doesn't mean jack to me.

Sour grapes.

 

[Joey D]

With as much time as you spend in here defending him, you would think quite the opposite.

I don't like Trump, I didn't vote for him either, but I can't stand the amount of misinformation about him which is what I'm against.

I admittedly didn't pay much attention to Obama, but I wish I would have since there was a massive amount of misinformation regarding him too.

I'm not sorry if I completely dislike our newly appointed leader. The guy is an idiot, he's already made horrible choices, and I encourage those out there that are standing up and refusing to comply to take a stand. If we're lucky, we'll oust him sooner rather than later. "Because he's my president" doesn't mean jack to me.

You do realize ousting Trump means we get President Pence right? As bad as anyone thinks Trump is, Pence is a whole other level of awful.

 

[Dotini]

I'm not sorry if I completely dislike our newly appointed leader. The guy is an idiot, he's already made horrible choices, and I encourage those out there that are standing up and refusing to comply to take a stand. If we're lucky, we'll oust him sooner rather than later. "Because he's my president" doesn't mean jack to me.

It should mean something. How would you like it if every president was shot down by the opposite party? We need to find a modus vivendi, a way to live together. America does not need another civil war or breakdown of society.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Sour grapes.

Boo hoo. Get over it.

It should mean something.

Nah.

America does not need another civil war or breakdown of society.

And it's happening.

 

[Scaff]

I disagree but I also disagree with the ban. You don't advocate peace by force do you? If the situation was not so heated at the moment it would be much easier to make peace with Iran, but there is ISIS and Syria, all the other stuff we have done in Iraq and Libya and so on. At the moment things are pretty tense don't you agree?

With Iran? Well things were getting better with them, up to the point that a certain ban was put in place.

So, while I do not like the Muslim ban in any way I have to agree with it to an extent at this time.

On what basis, the sum total of zero people from the banned locations who have moved the US and carried out attacks?

No basis for it exists at all, and if it was for its stated purpose the wrong countries have been picked.

 

[xyloscissor]

Trump is the devil

The childish behavior is astonishing to say the least. It would not even matter if he banned large sodas for Christs sake. I wonder what is going to happen if he approves a drone strike.

Give me a break already.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Give me a break already.

I think you should take one from this thread. You're practically in here 24/7 at the moment. Get some fresh air.

 

[xyloscissor]

And it's happening.

Just because you want it to happen does not mean that it will, and it won't 👍

@Scaff

I don't think it is a good idea myself but I can see why it is happening. Hopefully it is not something that fuels the fire or continues on long term. Many times things like this are a 'feel good' sort of thing so I will give you an example.

Some years back a teacher at the school my kids attended was raped and killed by a janitor, ok that is awful of course. Every day for a few months after, there were two or three squad cars parked out front in the morning, just sitting there, they would leave after the bell rings right? They would return in the afternoon just before we all came back to pick the littles up.

Did it help? No. Did it give people confidence? Most likely. I thought it was a totally stupid thing but what do I know.

 

[Scaff]

sake. I wonder what is going to happen if he approves a drone strike.

He has, along with a Special Forces raid. 14 members of IS killed, with claims of 10 women and children also killed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ildren-dead-a7553121.html?cmpid=facebook-post