America - The Official Thread

[Johnnypenso]

Trump is the devil

The childish behavior is astonishing to say the least. It would not even matter if he banned large sodas for Christs sake. I wonder what is going to happen if he approves a drone strike.

Give me a break already.

We both know it doesn't matter what Trump did or does, he's still be hated just the same. Mitt Romney was about as palatable a candidate to the left as you can get on the Republican side and he was hated just the same. It doesn't matter who runs or wins for the GOP the feeling on the left will always be the same, so why not just forget about catering to them and move forward with whatever radical agenda you have? Seems like that's exactly what the people voted for and what Trump is doing. I didn't see Obama do a lot of consulting with the GOP on Obamacare (pass the bill and then you can read it) or on any of his executive orders so why would the Republicans do any different?

 

[Scaff]

Just because you want it to happen does not mean that it will, and it won't 👍

@Scaff

I don't think it is a good idea myself but I can see why it is happening. Hopefully it is not something that fuels the fire or continues on long term. Many times things like this are a 'feel good' sort of thing so I will give you an example.

Some years back a teacher at the school my kids attended was raped and killed by a janitor, ok that is awful of course. Every day for a few months after, there were two or three squad cars parked out front in the morning, just sitting there, they would leave after the bell rings right? They would return in the afternoon just before we all came back to pick the littles up.

Did it help? No. Did it give people confidence? Most likely. I thought it was a totally stupid thing but what do I know.

Your doing that when nothing has happened, while leaving places it has happened alone.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Just because you want it to happen does not mean that it will, and it won't 👍

Open your eyes and look around you. It's happening.

 

[McLaren]

Trump just handed ISIS a free kick - the immigration ban will make it that much easier for them to recruit fighters by pointing out that America doesn't want and doesn't trust Muslims.

So if he just endangered the United States, surely he should be stopped from travelling ...

One of the dumbest things I've read yet.

Oh wow, what a good idea: let's base policy around what terrorist fanatics are going to say about us--is that the policy of Germany and Merkel in a nutshell? Terrorist groups run anti-US propaganda 24/7, and children blown to pieces is better propaganda than a temporary ban on people from 7 countries. Stop being silly.

 

[xyloscissor]

Your doing that when nothing has happened, while leaving places it has happened alone.

But things have happened haven't they? I'm pretty sure I posted one already. There is this little country called Israel also.

The other part is oil, we both know that, let's see if the hippy crowd decides to allow us to collect our own in our own country, until that happens we shall be in bed with the ones you dislike.

 

[Dotini]

Your doing that when nothing has happened, while leaving places it has happened alone.

The subject countries are known sources of radical Islamic terrorism, as Europeans know all too well. There probably should be more on the list, and likely will be.

 

[McLaren]

The subject countries are known sources of radical Islamic terrorism, as Europeans know all too well. There probably should be more on the list, and likely will be.

I've read Pakistan is considered being added to the list of countries temporarily banned.

 

[Scaff]

But things have happened haven't they? I'm pretty sure I posted one already. There is this little country called Israel also.

The other part is oil, we both know that, let's see if the hippy crowd decides to allow us to collect our own in our own country, until that happens we shall be in bed with the ones you dislike.

Israel needs protection? Do you know how many nukes they have.

Also no things haven't happened, how many attacks have been carried out on US soil by immigrants from those countries?

By this measure the UK is more of a threat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid

The subject countries are known sources of radical Islamic terrorism, as Europeans know all too well. There probably should be more on the list, and likely will be.

hen you best place every country in Europe on that list, as the vast majority of attacks in Europe have been carried out by nationals of European countries, not by immigrants or refugees.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There is a reason we do not like Iran, well more than one actually because of Israel whom we will defend. But our memories are not as short as maybe they should be.

That was not cool at all, I remember seeing the people in the streets burning our flag. If a few bad apples sour the barrel so what, we don't need those people here.

Curious to note also that, during the Iran Hostage Crisis, President Carter banned all Iranians from entering the U.S., with nary a peep from the lefties. He also ordered 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration authorities to have their visa status checked and ordered the deportation of anyone found in violation.

 

[xyloscissor]

Also no things haven't happened, how many attacks have been carried out on US soil by immigrants from those countries?

They took us hostage did they not? The last time I checked an embassy was the soil of the country no? We can debate 911 until the cows come home but both of us know who did it and why. Did you not read the rest of my post?

It feels good, I thought liberals liked to feel good

 

[Dotini]

hen you best place every country in Europe on that list, as the vast majority of attacks in Europe have been carried out by nationals of European countries, not by immigrants or refugees.

Please have the courtesy to mention 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants and refugees. That they are not assimilating or socializing well may be laid at your doorstep, no?

 

[xyloscissor]

Is there some sort of law that I am not aware of that says a country cannot decide who they let in? I've missed the memo. According to @Scaff apparently we should shut England out.

It is our sovereignty to do with what we please.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Is there some sort of law that I am not aware of that says a country cannot decide who they let in? I've missed the memo. According to @Scaff apparently we should shut England out.

It is our sovereignty to do with what we please.

Would you like a hand moving those goalposts?

 

[Dotini]

Is there some sort of law that I am not aware of that says a country cannot decide who they let in? .

Yes! It is the radical, revolutionary "law" of multiculturalism and globalism with which neoliberals and others would like to supplant sovereign nation states and traditional families. Such change cannot come without the total destruction of the status quo. We call this culture war.

 

[mustafur]

They took us hostage did they not? The last time I checked an embassy was the soil of the country no? We can debate 911 until the cows come home but both of us know who did it and why. Did you not read the rest of my post?

It feels good, I thought liberals liked to feel good

I have never seen this level of Concentrated coolaid before, you must of loved the red scare days.

When you kick out a countries Democratically elected leader for a Authoritarian Puppet for your agenda and it backfires do you expect it to be all rosey?

 

[xyloscissor]

Would you like a hand moving those goalposts?

Yes I would because I didn't even realize I was trying to move them, let's move them all about shall we?

Yes! It is the radical, revolutionary "law" of multiculturalism and globalism with which neoliberals and others would like to supplant sovereign nation states and traditional families.

All too true.

People have no idea what it is they are asking for but as you know, to them it is a simple growing pain that will pass.

I have never seen this level of Concentrated coolaid before, you must of loved the red scare days.

When you kick out a countries Democratically elected leader for a Authoritarian Puppet for your agenda and it backfires do you expect it to be all rosey?

No I do not, it is what it is and I know what it is, not seeing your point. As far as coolaid is concerned, if it is the truth I guess I drink it. I really don't know what your post is supposed to mean.

 

[McLaren]

Curious to note also that, during the Iran Hostage Crisis, President Carter banned all Iranians from entering the U.S., with nary a peep from the lefties. He also ordered 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration authorities to have their visa status checked and ordered the deportation of anyone found in violation.

They're not interested in facts. If they (referring to protestors) were, they'd stop calling it a Muslim ban when Iran (6th) is the only place banned of the 10 most heavily populated Muslim areas in the world.

 

[Dotini]

When you kick out a countries Democratically elected leader for a Authoritarian Puppet for your agenda and it backfires do you expect it to be all rosey?

Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[Scaff]

They took us hostage did they not? The last time I checked an embassy was the soil of the country no? We can debate 911 until the cows come home but both of us know who did it and why. Did you not read the rest of my post?

It feels good, I thought liberals liked to feel good

You took the country over by proxy, I think if you want to go down that route you might find the balance doesn't fall in your favour.

Also I think trying to use an event from 1979 is absurd.

Please have the courtesy to mention 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants and refugees. That they are not assimilating or socializing well may be laid at your doorstep, no?

You interact with a lot of them do you?

You see that's quite a claim to make, please do back it up (not that it will change the fact that they are still British, so doesn't support a ban on the countries in question).

 

[mustafur]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Well after you take the Natural resources being jacked into account, the 2nd wrong is still by the same side.

 

[Dotini]

You see that's quite a claim to make, please do back it up (not that it will change the fact that they are still British, so doesn't support a ban on the countries in question).

I had in mind the 2nd and 3rd generations of refugees and immigrants in Belgium and France.

 

[Biggles]

There is a reason we do not like Iran, well more than one actually because of Israel whom we will defend. But our memories are not as short as maybe they should be.

Is there a reason Iranians might have to not like the US?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

The US orchestrated a coup to overthrow a democratically elected Iranian government & then helped prop up the Shah's dictatorial regime for years. I wonder how Americans would feel if a foreign country did that to the US? What has followed is a decades long vendetta against Iran, including supporting Saddam Hussein in a brutal war against Iran, a vendetta that has often made little geopolitical sense.

 

[doblocruiser]

I had in mind the 2nd and 3rd generations of refugees and immigrants in Belgium and France

It is terrible and that is all I want to say on the subject.

 

[mustafur]

Is there a reason Iranians might have to not like the US?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

The US orchestrated a coup to overthrow a democratically elected Iranian government & then helped prop up the Shah's dictatorial regime for years. I wonder how Americans would feel if a foreign country did that to the US? What has followed is a decades long vendetta against Iran, including supporting Saddam Hussein in a brutal war against Iran, a vendetta that has often made little geopolitical sense.

Well they where having a fit about the Russians supposedly hacking an election and adding sanctions without any idea if they actually did anything, so I would imagine WW3 is probably what we would be looking at.

 

[xyloscissor]

You took the country over by proxy, I think if you want to go down that route you might find the balance doesn't fall in your favour.

How is it not in favor of my stance? It very much is, I don't care who is right or wrong in the whole dealings, the truth is if we feel them a threat we don't let them in.

Is that hard to understand?

 

[ryzno]

Well they where having a fit about the Russians supposedly hacking an election and adding sanctions without any idea if they actually did anything, so I would imagine WW3 is probably what we would be looking at.

I doubt it, after Obama did that, Putin said he had nothing to say to the US till Trump became president. So far so good. Seems like you want a WW3.

 

[mustafur]

I doubt it, after Obama did that, Putin said he had nothing to say to the US till Trump became president. So far so good. Seems like you want a WW3.

Maybe read the context before replying.

 

[xyloscissor]

It is very true that liberals in the U.S. at this time are in favor of disaster if for no other reason, to prove themselves right.

It is such a silly stance to take but it is what it is.

 

[Stotty]

This thread is almost as hilarious as Trumps tweets

Is there a reason Iranians might have to not like the US?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

The US orchestrated a coup to overthrow a democratically elected Iranian government & then helped prop up the Shah's dictatorial regime for years. I wonder how Americans would feel if a foreign country did that to the US? What has followed is a decades long vendetta against Iran, including supporting Saddam Hussein in a brutal war against Iran, a vendetta that has often made little geopolitical sense.

Stop cluttering the thread up with the truth FFS... reading American paranoia is far more entertaining.

 

[ryzno]

Maybe read the context before replying.

I did, that's like the 4th time you've mentioned WW3 with various reasons. You act like Trump started all the conflicts you mentioned and it seems you want to blame him if it happens.

If they wanted WW3 they would have started a long time ago.