America - The Official Thread

[mustafur]

I did, that's like the 4th time you've mentioned WW3 with various reasons. You act like Trump started all the conflicts you mentioned and it seems you want to blame him if it happens.

If they wanted WW3 they would have started a long time ago.

Nope, that's all your words.

Getting pretty sick of over paranoid and over defensive of Trump Americans accusing everyone else of being something they haven't even said.

 

[Biggles]

We both know it doesn't matter what Trump did or does, he's still be hated just the same. Mitt Romney was about as palatable a candidate to the left as you can get on the Republican side and he was hated just the same. It doesn't matter who runs or wins for the GOP the feeling on the left will always be the same, so why not just forget about catering to them and move forward with whatever radical agenda you have? Seems like that's exactly what the people voted for and what Trump is doing. I didn't see Obama do a lot of consulting with the GOP on Obamacare (pass the bill and then you can read it) or on any of his executive orders so why would the Republicans do any different?

"What the people voted for": only 26% of eligible voters voted for Trump, so it could hardly be considered a strong mandate. "The feeling on the left will always be the same?" Well, it wasn't someone on the left who made this comment on Trump:

Dishonesty is Donald Trump’s hallmark … His is not the temperament of a stable, thoughtful leader. His imagination must not be married to real power … Think of Donald Trump’s personal qualities, the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics.

Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. ... His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president. And his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.

 

[ryzno]

Nope, that's all your words.

Getting pretty sick of over paranoid and over defensive of Trump Americans accusing everyone else of being something they haven't even said.

I'm not over paranoid lol. That's how I interpreted your post. You could have said that's not what I meant and explain what you meant. All you did was turn it into a guessing game.

That said, why do you think America is on the brink of entering WW3?

 

[mustafur]

That said, why do you think America is on the brink of entering WW3?

I don't really, but you would of known that when I said WW3, it was in response to a Hypothetical.

Besides all the things that made WW1 such a terrible war in terms of why it started are just as bad if not worse now with NATO and the like Treatys, forcing a World War if anyone gets attacked.

 

[ryzno]

I was trying to edit that post.

I'm sorry I misread your post and accused you of something you didn't say.

When you kick out a countries Democratically elected leader for a Authoritarian Puppet for your agenda and it backfires do you expect it to be all rosey?

Well after you take the Natural resources being jacked into account, the 2nd wrong is still by the same side.

As I was trying to point out, these happened years ago under different presidents. Why would they wait till now to start a WW? Also considering that we got Gen. Mattis now, that would be stupid on their part.

Well they where having a fit about the Russians supposedly hacking an election and adding sanctions without any idea if they actually did anything, so I would imagine WW3 is probably what we would be looking at.

Why? I just told you Putin said he had nothing to say to America till Obama was out of office. Hes out and so far so good. You ignored my point cause I made a mistake.

 

[DK]

Are you really comparing him to a man that drugged women? Why not go for the hat-trick and compare him to Albert Fish while your at it?

Good lord the lengths some people will go to is actually comical in a sad way.

I compared the two because they're both celebrities with sexual assault allegations dating back a couple of decades that have only surfaced in the past couple of years, and one could argue that those accusations only re-surfaced as the accusers either felt they wouldn't have been taken seriously at the time of the alleged offences, or that they'd be facing an uphill battle in court against well-connected individuals with a ruthless legal team. That's all.

 

[PeterJB]

Affirmative action reigns supreme!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38793248

 

[McLaren]

Nope, that's all your words.

Getting pretty sick of over paranoid and over defensive of Trump Americans accusing everyone else of being something they haven't even said.

Welcome to the general Conservative feeling then, since the Left likes throw around -ist & -phobic anytime they get disagreed with.

 

[mustafur]

I was trying to edit that post.

I'm sorry I misread your post and accused you of something you didn't say.




As I was trying to point out, these happened years ago under different presidents. Why would they wait till now to start a WW? Also considering that we got Gen. Mattis now, that would be stupid on their part.
Why? I just told you Putin said he had nothing to say to America till Obama was out of office. Hes out and so far so good. You ignored my point cause I made a mistake.

God dammit, your completely out of context, it was a simple response to a hypothetical of what if another country tried to take out the American leader and replace them with someone more favourable to their regime and I replied to it.

I ignored your post about Putin because It was a general answer on how America response to threats.

Welcome to the general Conservative feeling then, since the Left likes throw around -ist & -phobic anytime they get disagreed with.

Good for them, I care little for Partisan viewpoints on either side, Politics really shouldn't be Football.

 

[ryzno]

Calm down...

 

[Azuremen]

Welcome to the general Conservative feeling then, since the Left likes throw around -ist & -phobic anytime they get disagreed with.

Implying the Right doesn't do the same thing. Just as hard, if not harder, to hold a conversation with someone that inherently disagrees with you because you don't believe this country will be saved by the Grace of God.

 

[McLaren]

Implying the Right doesn't do the same thing. Just as hard, if not harder, to hold a conversation with someone that inherently disagrees with you because you don't believe this country will be saved by the Grace of God.

The Right isn't the one given the stigma of being "tolerant" & "accepting", however. I'll agree both sides are far from innocent, though.

 

[mustafur]

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Trump says that the immigration ban didn't cause chaos at airports - rather, it was a series of computer glitches and the protesters (who must have been there for some completely unrelated):

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...ration-ban-to-blame-for-airport-chaos/8225196

 

[Azuremen]

The Right isn't the one given the stigma of being "tolerant" & "accepting", however. I'll agree both sides are far from innocent, though.

No, the Right just implies they are with the endless reminders about being Christian and the Jesus things.

Both parties sling a lot of mud, and the irony is generally lost on both of them. I'm just a bit salty because every literal conversation I've had with a Trump supporter very quickly devolves into them falling back on religion and/or trying to excuse racist rhetoric, along with talking about things Obama did that were "worse."

 

[ryzno]

Is she literally trying to argue Trump is following Hitler and claim this is the start of a repeat the Holocaust?

 

[Scaff]

Curious to note also that, during the Iran Hostage Crisis, President Carter banned all Iranians from entering the U.S., with nary a peep from the lefties. He also ordered 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration authorities to have their visa status checked and ordered the deportation of anyone found in violation.

Now aside from the fact that people at the time did object, which is exactly why it ended up in court, you seem to be wondering why people are not retrospectively decrying actions that occured before many were born (hell I'm an old fart and was only nine at the time)?

Was I supposed to make mental note to condemn something I wasn't even aware of at the time in case it was used as an attempt to dismiss a contemporary issue of the day?

Rather than assuming a position, why not discuss the apparent similarity and ask people what opinion they hold?

 

[Joel]

No, the Right just implies they are with the endless reminders about being Christian and the Jesus things.

And the whole "offended" bit too. As if filling your diaper because Starbucks and Walmart say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas isn't being offended.

 

[Dennisch]

I knew there would be problematic fun times ahead if Trump became President but boy, 10 days in and this is just, for better or worse, pure entertainment.

 

[Azuremen]

And the whole "offended" bit too. As if filling your diaper because Starbucks and Walmart say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas isn't being offended.

I completely forgot about whole mess over the red cup being an attack on Christian values.

How fragile your faith/psyche must be to feel threatened by the absence of Christmas decorations...

 

[Joel]

I completely forgot about whole mess over the red cup being an attack on Christian values.

How fragile your faith/psyche must be to feel threatened by the absence of Christmas decorations...

Best part was the response, buy a coffee and tell them your name is Merry Christmas. Basically a reverse boycott.

 

[xyloscissor]

I knew there would be problematic fun times ahead if Trump became President but boy, 10 days in and this is just, for better or worse, pure entertainment.

All we need now is a solid false flag to shake the left off of all the hate. Don't put it past us either

 

[eran0004]

why is it that all the criminal and noncriminal elements of Mexico feel such a need to exploit us?

Probably because you feel such a need to buy drugs from said criminals. Interestingly, the money spent on illegal drugs every year ($100 billion in 2013, ONDCP) could pay for the wall four times over.

The non-criminals probably just want a better life, much like most people who immigrated into the US in the past.

 

[DDastardly00]

I'm curious to see how well this Executive Action on Immigration holds up in the court. Washington State's Attorney General filed a lawsuit today.

"Ferguson argues that the Executive Order violates the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of Equal Protection and the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, infringes individuals’ constitutional right to Due Process and contravenes the federal Immigration and Nationality Act".

Executive Action may be established law but if the court rules that it is in violation of COTUS, then it will get tossed out on it's ear. The COTUS wins (almost) every time.

 

[xyloscissor]

I'm curious to see how well this Executive Action on Immigration holds up in the court. Washington State's Attorney General filed a lawsuit today.

I'm not sure I would hold my breath over The Supreme Court hearing a case on this tbh, you might want to be careful of what you ask for however.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/us/supreme-court-immigration-obama-dapa.html
Supreme Court Tie Blocks Obama Immigration Plan

It is odd to me that when a few states make some LGBT type laws many libs cry for a sweeping federal action, now that we have a sweeping federal action against illegal immigration all of the sudden state rights matter again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/us/supreme-court-immigration-obama-dapa.html

 

[polysmut]

Is she literally trying to argue Trump is following Hitler and claim this is the start of a repeat the Holocaust?

Naz Shah? The UK Member of Parliament for Bradford West? I'm guessing because she was speaking at the time your post was made & there was what appeared to be a link to a live feed from the House posted just above it.
I became distracted by her multiple references to the "President Elect" while referring to the sitting President & missed a lot of what she said. Also I was distracted by the dartboard at work.

 

[Joey D]

I think now days it's an American right of passage to be offended by something and then petition the government to do something about it. And it's equally as bad on both sides of the aisle. You have Liberals getting hurt over words and needing safe spaces in order to cope and you have Conservatives screaming that Christians are being oppressed and that we need to stuff America to the gills with some grade-A, genuine, bonafide Jesus.

The best solution to this is to be offended but respect that it's the other person's right to be an ass as long as they aren't trampling on your rights in the process...and opinions rarely trample on anyone's rights, it's actions that'll get you.

 

[xyloscissor]

petition the government to do something about it

We kinda do have that right though don't we? I mean not in a frivolous sense of course. I strongly believe that americans need to follow their heart, usually that is not at odds with our laws but sometimes it is. In that case you roll the dice or petition your grievances if they have merit.

My 1/2 cent.

 

[CodeRedR51]

You have Liberals getting hurt over words and needing safe spaces in order to cope

God I hate that line.