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And then, without so much as a second thought as to where it might lead, Alice plunged head-first down the rabbit hole.
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Do you have a source that shows the contents of his thoughts?
I will wait with bated breath, marvelling at today's mind-reading technology.
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Meanwhile, there has been another leak, this time alleging that Trump planned to use the National Guard to round up illegal immigrants.
Ooooh, clever! Ignore the obvious reference to Alice in Wonderland and the content of the story for the sake of a cheap jab.
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"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle." - Thomas Jefferson, 208 years ago.
Trump is in good company I suppose.
Trump is in good company I suppose.
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*Waits for comment about Jefferson being a slave owner*
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"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter." - Thomas Jefferson, before he became President.
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No, that's not how that played out. The jab came from you, in an unsolicited post, based at least in part on something you cannot know. If I'm to believe that you don't universally manufacture false knowns, I'm left thinking that you must do it selectively. I don't give rat's about defending Trump, but I do care about defending against that sort of inconsistent trash.
Don't kid yourself. Don't fill yourself with the delusion of claims to the moral high ground. You are the attacker here, not me.
Seems he's lowered your defences with his approach. I don't know what goes on behind the clownish facade, but I know that some people don't mind at all being viewed as a clown if it leaves them freer to ply their covert trade for the greater "good".
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It's very hard to know what's really going on under that peculiar pompadour - you'd have to get to know him as a "person" to figure that one out. But my best guess is that he, himself, doesn't see his behaviour as "clownish" - in fact that characterization is clearly extremely offensive to him - that there's no "covert trade" & he has no real interest in the "greater good". I don't think there's any meaningful political agenda at work, no deeply felt belief system. It's not political calculation. I think (incredibly) that what you see is actually what he is: a man so oddly & reflexively narcissistic that it dictates everything he does & says.
How such a person could have persuaded a big chunk of the American electorate to vote for him is possibly the most astonishing thing to have occurred in international politics in my lifetime. The GOP has elected to go along for the ride, but I don't think this is going to end well for anyone.
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I dont think you understand how many Americans WANT our government turned upside down and shaken like a crying baby. Our government is broken and no longer works at all, let alone together. Somehow they have come to believe their job is to oppose the other "side" not come up with compromises. This is a first of many attempts (I hope) to right this sinking ship.
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I prefer his views when he was older, wiser and more experienced. Nice try though.
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The quote from PM stands in context though, yours was mined from a wider source that qualifies your quote with a slightly different meaning - and certainly a different meaning from Trump's ideas. Nice try though.
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It wasn't mined from any source, it was in the link provided. Nice try though.
Here's a quote from your wider source:
As for what is not true, you will always find abundance in the newspapers. - Thomas Jefferson
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Yeees....
...but that still doesn't mean that his view has changed... unless we share no common understanding of The King's English?
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In a way it is sort of weirdly reassuring to know that even the best of people seemingly against the forces of political spin can succumb to it themselves when, conveniently, people they like come to power instead of people they don't like. Like a check and balance on your own biases I guess.
Yes, such a noble and principled stance. Just a coincidence I'm sure that he only mentioned the bits of the press that don't say a lot of nice things about him, and left out the bits of the press that do.
What's frustrating about something like this is no doubt there will be kernels of truth buried amongst the place that are very much worthy of debate - but imo that worthiness sure as hell isn't because Trump will have said them. Nor does it legitimise the rest of the crap he comes out with, or his intentions behind it.
Yes, such a noble and principled stance. Just a coincidence I'm sure that he only mentioned the bits of the press that don't say a lot of nice things about him, and left out the bits of the press that do.
What's frustrating about something like this is no doubt there will be kernels of truth buried amongst the place that are very much worthy of debate - but imo that worthiness sure as hell isn't because Trump will have said them. Nor does it legitimise the rest of the crap he comes out with, or his intentions behind it.
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More news from the pussification front. 🤬 these students and their special snowflake feelings, honestly.
http://shanghaiist.com/2017/02/16/dalai_lama_ucsd_speech.php
http://shanghaiist.com/2017/02/16/dalai_lama_ucsd_speech.php
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I don't see that a self-absorbed narcissist is the appropriate figure to lead a movement to turn upside down the existing government order & I don't see Trump as a source of "compromise" at all. Rather I see him as a figure willing to introduce a host of tangential, polarizing issues into American politics - like the war on the media & lying about illegal voting.
Additionally, don't see much evidence, anywhere, of a willingness to compromise in American politics. Opinions of perhaps 35% of the American people on each side are so polarized that there is no possibility of meeting in the middle. And those opinions are formed by people following entirely distinct lines of narratives in the various media & social media, which further reinforces the divisions.
Finally, turning the government upside down may seen like an appealing prospect to some, but what is going to emerge is unlikely to be an improvement IMO. The USA may be far from perfect, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be far worse.
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If they don't want to hear what he has to say, they could just not attend. They are boo whooing over something frivolous really.
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I don't know when/where you passed your degree but I presume you took your graduation ceremony very seriously.
It would be one thing inviting the Dalai Lama to speak at the University as an attendance-optional event (I've heard him speak, he's intelligent and compelling), it's another to shoehorn his speech into a graduation ceremony. Students have two choices; be at the ceremony or don't. For Chinese students who don't recognise authority in the Dalai Lama or who don't want to hear him speak that does seem unfair.
The closest parallel I can think of is the British King or Queen being invited to speak at a graduation ceremony - I refuse to recognise a United Kingdom and so would be unable to bring myself to attend.
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Why do you have to "recognize" his authority as an attendee at your graduation ceremony? What authority does he have giving a speech? If they don't like it, and their feelings are going to be so hurt by listening to someone they disagree with, don't go. Feel free to tell everyone you aren't going to go. Shout it from the rooftops. But threatening further measures if you don't get your way...nah...
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If it's good enough for a presidential nominee threatening to challenge the results of an election if he doesn't win, it's good enough for the rest of us.
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Because it's the same thing right?
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In essence, yes. Both threatened further disruptions if they didn't get their way.Because it's the same thing right?
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