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Concerning comments from the President in the last 24 hours.
President Donald Trump on Saturday once again suggested interest in serving three terms in office, claiming that he was "probably entitled" to an additional four years following a hypothetical second term at a campaign event in Nevada.

"And 52 days from now we're going to win Nevada, and we're gonna win four more years in the White House," Trump told the mostly maskless, non-socially distant crowd of his supporters on Saturday. "And then after that, we'll negotiate, right? Because we're probably — based on the way we were treated — we are probably entitled to another four after that."
"We are going to win four more years," Trump said last month, according to Yahoo News. "And then after that, we'll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years."

In November 2018, Trump told Fox News' Chris Wallace that he would not seek a constitutional amendment to permit him to serve more than two terms in office. He made the clarification after he had praised Chinese President Xi Jinping's abolishment of presidential term limits.

"He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great." Trump said in March 2018. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday."

"I think the eight-year limit is a good thing, not a bad thing," Trump later told Wallace in 2018, although he has continued to suggest he would seek a third term in the time that has followed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-negotiate-third-term-in-office-2020-9

Reinoehl had expressed support for the left-wing antifa and Black Lives Matter and was a suspect in the fatal shooting of far-right activist Aaron Danielson in an August 29 protest in the city, where rival groups of demonstrators clashed.

In the interview, Trump remarked: "This guy was a violent criminal, and the US Marshals killed him. And I'll tell you something -- that's the way it has to be. There has to be retribution."

Critics have accused the president of cheering extrajudicial violence by law enforcement.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-described-antifa-activist-killing-as-retribution-2020-9
 
President for Life is the complete antithesis of what the United States has always claimed it sought to break away from. Just go and start your own monarchy.

But hey, Trump bigging up another blood-thirsty tyrant is considered typical these days.
 
President for Life is the complete antithesis of what the United States has always claimed it sought to break away from. Just go and start your own monarchy.

But hey, Trump bigging up another blood-thirsty tyrant is considered typical these days.
To be fair, the Dems had a three-and-a-bit-term president so he may try to sell this as payback to the Republicans. Good luck repealing their own Amendment 22 though.
 
It is starting to make sense now. Trump can dissolve the congress, then declare unanimous consent to repeal the 22 amendment, and then get 2/3rds of the little Trumpy states to agree, then BQOM, President for life! :sly:

On a more racist note:

 
Blames the other side for indoctrination with propaganda.


Indoctrinates using propaganda.

What did they tell you was wrong with PragerU?
How about trying to file a lawsuit against a private company on the grounds of violating their First Amendment & getting it tossed faster than monkey poo for doing just that themselves.
Despite the fact that no precedent and no constitutional provision supports its claim, PragerU appealed the 2018 ruling to the 9th Circuit. And on Wednesday, the court made quick work of its preposterous argument. Twenty years ago, the 9th Circuit held that “a private entity hosting speech on the Internet is not a state actor.” Today, “that principle has not changed.” YouTube “does not perform a public function by inviting public discourse on its property,” and it is not a “public forum” subject to the First Amendment. Even before the internet, plenty of companies hosted “speech on a private platform”—comedy clubs, for instance—but their embrace of diverse expression did not transmogrify them into state actors. To the contrary, as the Electronic Frontier Foundation noted in a brief, private companies have their own First Amendment right not to publish content they dislike. If there is any censorship here, it is PragerU’s effort to suppress YouTube’s own freedom of speech.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/02/prageru-first-amendment-youtube.html
 

I've said it from the beginning that he would try to angle for President for life. His egomania is in such a state that I think he believes it's his destiny to always be the President.

He said back in 2018 that he admired China's President making himself President for life and said "maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday". He's not kidding about that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...maybe-well-have-give-shot-some-day/393545002/

I've also said that even after he hopefully loses in November, I guarantee he will run again in 2024.
 
I've said it from the beginning that he would try to angle for President for life. His egomania is in such a state that I think he believes it's his destiny to always be the President.

He said back in 2018 that he admired China's President making himself President for life and said "maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday". He's not kidding about that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...maybe-well-have-give-shot-some-day/393545002/

I've also said that even after he hopefully loses in November, I guarantee he will run again in 2024.
I think thankfully, he won't have a shot at a 2024 ballot. You know he will just flood Twitter with so much anger & hate if he loses this election, completely unhinging himself from any sane person that it would just get thrown back in his face.

It's ol' Jr. I think will probably make a run at it, looking to "avenge" his dad with a "spied on/cheated/whatever crackpot" theory to base his platform, ultimately marking that the apple doesn't fall far from the crazy tree.
 
Or think of it this way, you burn down your neighbors house he sues you so you need a lawyer. In the Libertarian world you’d have no way of knowing if the person knows the first thing about law.
Or surgery maybe you have a hernia and contract a disease during the operation.
Oh well guess you can sue him. Meanwhile the bad doctor is free to kill others by his malpractice.
I’m for freedom but all these examples just show why you need some regulation.

Why would you hire anyone without check their qualifications? In a Libertarian world (whatever that is) you'd hire someone just like you always do, you'd do your research, look at references, and pick the person that you think is best suited for the job. Also, really you're not going to check your doctor's qualifications? Nevermind that a health system always validates any new clinical person's schooling.

Also, it's not like libertarians don't believe in negligent homicide or manslaughter.

Without regulation industrial accidents would be commonplace. No company wants OSHA and lawyers getting into their pockets.

No, they wouldn't. If accidents were commonplace people wouldn't work in the industry, or if they did they'd demand much higher wages.

So with no licensing no regulation Joey decides to hire an unlicensed well driller to drill a well for the house his unlicensed electrician wired incorrectly.
Well driller hits high pressure has main serving the city. The gas is ignited and destroys more and kills more neighbors.

Licensed people do that all the time. I don't think you understand what goes into most licensing from the government. For most things, it's a pretty simple test and you need to pay a bunch of money. The real training comes before you even apply for your license. I'm licensed to do a handful of things and actually getting the piece of paper was worthless, however, the training was invaluable.

That’s what libertarians want tho.

It's not. All libertarians want is for the people to have personal freedoms while not violating the rights of others. They also, typically, want low taxes and small government too.
 
Who's they?
I don't know, you tell me.

You seem to think there is something wrong with PragerU videos. I mean, either you watched some PragerU videos, and decided they were bad, or someone told you they were bad. I just assumed the latter to be true. Maybe I was wrong.

The video isn't really a source for anything as you implied. It stands on its own. It is just an interview with a liberal couple. There is no condemnation of the couple. The woman even suggests reading White Fragility. It actually draws no conclusions at all. It leaves that up to the viewer.

Leftist want people to shield themselves from opposing views. I think everyone should expose themselves to all views and decide for themselves.
 
t's not. All libertarians want is for the people to have personal freedoms while not violating the rights of others

Well, that didn’t address any of my points.
As I showed that initially sounds good until you realize how INTERdependent society is.
My examples showed the problems inherent in thinking in that manner. You did not address them you just said...

No, they wouldn't

We can agree to disagree. :)

Why would you hire anyone without check their qualifications

How do I do that if there’s no such thing as licensing/certification...etc...
How do I do it? Internet reviews? Word of mouth?
Again we can agree to disagree and that’s cool. There is no direct rebuttal for the points I made from a libertarian, so disagreements fine.
No worries.
I’ll lay-off.
 
I don't know, you tell me.

You seem to think there is something wrong with PragerU videos. I mean, either you watched some PragerU videos, and decided they were bad, or someone told you they were bad. I just assumed the latter to be true. Maybe I was wrong.

The video isn't really a source for anything as you implied. It stands on its own. It is just an interview with a liberal couple. There is no condemnation of the couple. The woman even suggests reading White Fragility. It actually draws no conclusions at all. It leaves that up to the viewer.

Leftist want people to shield themselves from opposing views. I think everyone should expose themselves to all views and decide for themselves.
Chrunch continues to back a political source whose founder earlier this year, said it's "idiotic" you can't say the n-word.
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Leftist want people to shield themselves from opposing views. I think everyone should expose themselves to all views and decide for themselves

Brilliant and well put.

I watched the video.
Like. Like...like all people with white skin are like...like...
RACIST like you should like read this like book.
LMAO
Now Mcclaren s gone to attacking the like source like owner of Zprager or something because the like position of the like leftist is like untenable like you know like almost like stupid but like you don’t like wanna call a person stupid cuz that like might be like racist you know?
LOL
 
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How do I do that if there’s no such thing as licensing/certification...etc...
How do I do it? Internet reviews? Word of mouth?

You've applied for a job yes? I assume you've had to submit some form of proof that you have the education you say you do. Every job I've worked at since leaving college required me to submit a copy of my degree.

Again we can agree to disagree and that’s cool. There is no direct rebuttal for the points I made from a libertarian, so disagreements fine

You haven't shown that you understand what the libertarian platform is or what it stands for. You assume that libertarians want anarchy when really most just want to government to stay in their lane. If you're not interested in having a discussion and actually seeing what libertarianism is about before making assumptions, I guess we are done then.
 
I've said it from the beginning that he would try to angle for President for life. His egomania is in such a state that I think he believes it's his destiny to always be the President.

On the plus side, he is old. We can just wait for him to die.

And then find out that he's also organised a line of succession. All hail President Ivanka. It's not monarchy if you're called the President, that's just fake news spewed by the liberal left media out to destroy the country.

Leftist want people to shield themselves from opposing views. I think everyone should expose themselves to all views and decide for themselves.

As with all groups, there are some who just want to be in an echo chamber. But those people are dumb, regardless of whether they're leftists, rightists or upside down.

Everyone should have an informed opinion. That doesn't mean that just because someone hasn't come to the same conclusions as you that they're sticking their heads in the sand. Reasonable people can come to different conclusions about how they want their society to be, and that's OK.
 
. If you're not interested in having a discussion and actually seeing what libertarianism is

The rest of what you said, I let slide so you could save face.
I presented you with several of the common reasons that your ideology lacks popular support.
You lack any rebuttal, or even any argument at all besides saying “nu uh”
as was shown above. So don’t go there with the strawman attempt ok?
I addressed the philosophical underpinnings, and why I disagree with them, then showed multiple examples of why that platform is untenable.
I presented you with several extra examples such as your house catching fire and burning down your innocent neighbors house to which you replied sue me and burning someone’s house down isn’t the same as killing them.
I suggested you read Immanuel Kant and in particular suggested starting with the moral imperative.
Now honestly you have the gall to try a strawman like this?
There is no rebuttal from a libertarian position for the arguments I showed, neither you nor anyone here or in academia has ever rebutted those points. That’s why it’s such a poor platform, it’s kissing cousin of anarchy with a nice sprinkling of narcissism on top. Not good.
Strangely enough building codes exist, COLLEGES need accreditation engineers doctors lawyers electricians plumbers welders etc etc etc etc

Address my arguments, if you are able.
You have yet to do so.
 
Imagine unironicly watching PragerU then a few posts later wanting sources for something.
No sense of humor. you'd think the laughing emoji would show I was joking.

His post was pure opinion, Of course there is no source, of course he can't prove it.

Let me refresh your memory.

Leftist want people to shield themselves from opposing views. I think everyone should expose themselves to all views and decide for themselves.

Brilliant and well put.

It was neither.

Source? Prove it!!!:lol:
 
No sense of humor. you'd think the laughing emoji would show I was joking.

His post was pure opinion, Of course there is no source, of course he can't prove it.

Let me refresh your memory.
Given what you said about PragerU and the fact you have asked for sources before(this time I'm clearly not talking about the latest) it doesn't change my response.

I mean you still can't seperate ideas from people(Leftist? Who are you talking to??) and you expect me to not clearly see the sarcasm.

I saw the sarcasm alright and I raised you.
 
No sense of humor. you'd think the laughing emoji would show I was joking.
And yet you completely ignored the laughing emoji in my post...

His post was pure opinion, Of course there is no source, of course he can't prove it.
Except for the source quoted in one of his posts of course.

Here's a source for the other post @McLaren made.

https://www.newsweek.com/dennis-pra...not-say-n-word-blames-disgusting-left-1487284

And another:



Leftist want people to shield themselves from opposing views.

Not very brilliant or well put, after all how did he or the magazine get the quote if they didn't expose themselves to Prager's view? Of course, neither are leftist but that doesn't really have anything to do with it.

But thanks for admitting you intended to ask an impossible and misleading question, then whined when it was answered anyway. Unless you were joking about that too.
 
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As I showed that initially sounds good until you realize how INTERdependent society is.
You didn't show anything. You just spewed a stream of consciousness out about the Occupational Health and Safety Administration which seemed to leap from one thought to the next without any connections - just as you did when you decided a law to reduce penalties for consensual sex with a minor within 10 years of the offender's age would legalise paedophilia, and "defund the police" meant getting rid of all law enforcement.


If you want to actually show how a society that respects rights - allowing individuals to exercise their rights freely, with the responsibilities they confer (which is where your interdependence comes in) - is bad then please, by all means, draw up an example of how it is bad. How would me respecting your rights result in a violation of your rights?

While doing so, note that in your OSHA... hypothetical, several people would have violated contracts and be liable for any rights violations that occur as a result of doing so.
 
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Address my arguments, if you are able.
You have yet to do so.

I mean I have, more than once. But I'll sum it up again.

First, why would you ever hire anyone without checking their credentials? Just because someone has a license from the state doesn't mean they're good at what they do. My wife is a manager of a barbershop. She requires everyone she hires to demonstrate they can actually cut hair by having them perform a haircut on a person. She's not hired several people because they can't cut hair to save their soul, yet they have a piece of paper from the state of Utah saying they are licensed to do so. I wouldn't hire someone to wire my house without checking to make sure they knew what they were doing.

Still, even when you're licensed and trained, you can still make mistakes. No license from the government is going to prevent that because humans make mistakes. If that mistake causes property damage or physical harm, then you have civil courts to get compensated for your loss. If the mistake is due to negligence and leads to the death of someone, then that's manslaughter, which is already a crime.

You also brought up a doctor. There's only been a handful of instances where someone who isn't a doctor, nor is trained as a doctor, has performed actual clinical duties while posing as a doctor. Past that everyone who's hired by a health system to be a doctor (or any clinician for that matter) has to prove they have had the training to be in that position. Where I work we keep a record of every employee's education credentials and even I, the lowly analyst, have my college degree in that repository to show that I did, in fact, go to college like I said I did.

Still, all the licensing and all the training in the world isn't going to prevent malpractice. Malpractice costs doctors, health systems, and insurance hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Guess what happens when a doctor does end up performing malpractice? They're sued and the patient or the patient's family typically gets a massive sum of money.

So my reasoning against state and federal licensing is that it prevents precisely nothing and all it does is allow the state to collect money from people for doing their job. Anyone hiring anyone should require proof that the potential hiree has the training they say they do and, if applicable, have them demonstrate they know what they are doing. There are plenty of licenses I could go out and get by simply studying for the test and passing it. It doesn't mean I'd know how to actually do the job past what I was required to memorize and regurgitate on a test for the state.

Government regulations also don't stop people from making mistakes or doing a task poorly. As @ryzno points out, and I believe he has the correct experience since he works construction, OSHA is more or less a joke. If you can pay to make it go away, it goes away. It's not exactly in the business of keeping people safe at work, if it was it wouldn't be looking to just fine places that put employee's lives at risk. Even if OSHA was ultra-strict and watched every job site like a hawk, people would still make mistakes and employees would still be injured or killed on the job.

Are some regulations needed? In our current world, yes, some regulations are required and I think most libertarians understand that. It's not like libertarians live in this fantasy world where they don't understand how the current system is setup. What they want to do is work towards changing the system where there are fewer regulations, a smaller government, and less intrusion of the government into their lives. They still understand things are illegal, but they understand that making something a law doesn't automatically prevent something.

The best example of this is gun control. You can pass all the legislation you want on gun control, but all you're going to do is keep guns out of the hands of people who are mostly reasonable gun owners. The same goes for drugs. You can make every drug illegal (which for the most part they are) but it's not going to stop people from buying, selling, and using various drugs.

With regard to Kant, what should I specifically read? He has over 40 works and many are in German (which I can only read somewhat). Since you're suggesting I read his works, I assume you've done so. Which one did you find the most helpful and can you give me a summary of it? I also assume you've read his works in German too since those translated to English have probably lost some of his original points since things do get lost in translation, especially things that nearly 250 years old.

I did take a gander at his Wikipedia page though. Looking at his political philosophy and per his work Rechtsstaat it looks like he's in favour of having the government's power confined to law and to protect citizens from the arbitrary exercise of authority. It also appears he's heavily in favour of a government following the powers outlined in its constitution and is against a direct democracy since it neglects the rights of the minority. So what exactly is anti-libertarian about that? It seems like it's very much in the scope of the Libertarian Party's platform today, which is having the government stay in its own lane, which is to say, only do what the Constitution allows it to do. Am I missing something?
 

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