Anyone else tired of this?

[TrievelA7X]

I'm just curious, maybe there's been threads asking this before, hard to tell with a search function like that.

Anyway, I've been progressively getting more and more upset, at Sony and PD.
Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market) Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade. And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.
there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time. They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?
Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

EDIT:
Forgot to add, GT5 for PSP (or whatever it's called) is now FREE for anyone that lives anywhere other than NA. Now, is that because of packaging/shipping/whatever else?

 

[TrievelA7X]

I also forgot, one more thing.
Now, we've all discussed the amount of Skyline's, Evo's, etc to death.
However, since we now have every make and model and variant ever built, why are we not seeing every variant of American or European cars ever built?
I've heard everyone say, "oh well, all they had to do was click this and that, and they have the next variant".
Ok, well I ask, if variants are so easy, why just a 2001 Z06, and not also a 2002? (up 20 hp - that's it)
How about a non-Z06 Vette?
We had a Roush Mustang, but no GT, Regular SVT Cobra, no V6. Same with Camaro's, etc, etc, etc, etc.
I don't know as in-depth about all the EU cars, but I'm sure there were plenty of variants they could "so easily" add, but never did.

I bring this up because, even now, for GT5, with all the cars I see on the list, and the expected amount of total cars, there simply isn't enough to mean that they finally did this.

And when they first implemented all those variants, they ignored the rest of the worlds cars, and it seems the will continue to do so, other than the obligatory "hot new ones".

So basically, what I'm trying to say is, PD and Sony have teamed up to provide the WORST service to us, other than making at times, a seemingly realistic racing game.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

The release date for Japan actually doesn't bother me.There is PDs first port of call anyway.I think the reason it's getting released in March is because Asian people aren't really involved in Nascar/WRC.If for UK it's released a few weeks before or after March, it doesn't bother me that much.I would sooner they take longer, if they have more ideas to make it more fun.I wouldn't be suprised if UK & U.S vers. of GT5, were to be released on the same day.

 

[TrievelA7X]

The release date for Japan actually doesn't bother me.There is PDs first port of call anyway.I think the reason it's getting released in March is because Asian people aren't really involved in Nascar/WRC.If for UK it's released a few weeks before or after March, it doesn't bother me that much.I wouldn't be suprised if UK & U.S vers. of GT5, to be released on the same day.

Neither would I.
But summer doesn't start till June 21.
March-31st to June 21st, to me = Slap in the face, how many games in a row now?

 

[Kusogaki]

Europe is GT land.

They are japanese, localizing comes after that, that's why.

Downloads? People whiny about Siren having a couple GB's of data to be downloaded, you want them to try and sell to you a Dual-Layer Blu-ray game? Presuming they are not going to fill the disk, that still clocks ar around 30Gb of data.

Btw, no one is holding you back. Go out and buy FM3, it is not a bad game.

About the cars... who knows. Look at GT1 and GT2, it had many cars, yes, many models. But things start to get more complex and the quantity drops, but quality goes up. I would say: logistics, but that's just my guess.

To answer your question, yes I'm tired of this, tired of all of this whining.

 

[TBR 427]

Anyway, I've been progressively getting more and more upset, at Sony and PD.
Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market) Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?

Yes. *** the game companies that prioritize their home market, right? How dare them show a bit of patriotism! I mean, what are you going to do? Complain that there isn't enough american cars? Really, who would do that? Jesus H. Christ.

Oh, by the way, it's fairly well agreed upon that GT4 has had the longest life and the most replayability out of any racing game EVER. Heck, years later they're re-releasing it for hand-helds and it's flying off the shelves.

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade. And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

Yeah, unfortunately they didn't release it to other people before you ACCIDENTALLY. That would have just been a disaster.
Are you honestly even CONTEMPLATING spending hundreds of dollars buying things just because one company, out of hundreds for the PS3 (and dozens that develop racing games) isn't doing something right? And that has nothing to do with quality or anything important, but because that ONE company is 4 months away from what will possibly be THE BIGGEST racing game launch in history?

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.

What on earth are you implying here?

there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time. They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

Yes, they actually have several reasons. Firstly, localization of game content. It may surprise you, but they're located in Japan, and EVERYTHING (and that's going to be a lot based on Prologue) has to be translated, checked, adjusted and modified so that the countries who haven't yet achieved the use of SI units (aka YOU) can figure out what's going on. Secondly, it may clash with other game releases. They are a business, and they don't want to do that.

Thirdly, what in the hell makes you think they've tested everything in their latest build to perfection? You obviously don't know a THING about collission detection, physics, actually, anything else in the game either. There is ALWAYS more testing to be done. As of 2009, if the game launches with 50 bugs, it's considered brilliant quality. Yes, moth of them should be unnoticeable, but that's all due to the level of complexity expected in a 2009/2010 release.

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?

No, and if they are you're a brand-whoring fool. fool who hasn't quite realized that there are other games out there for everyone, and that a game not being released 4 months away where they live and 3 months where they don't is a piss-poor excuse for buying a new console, game, wheel and internet because of that is absolutely one of the dumbest things I've heard.

Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

No, I go into a LOCAL store expecting they sell me their LOCAL product before they call the guy in america back. And that's exactly what they're doing, and if you put some thought into your post before you hit the submit button, you'd have realised that's what you want and would expect as well.


Really, quit whining.


Mods, could you come clean up this poor excuse for a thread?

 

[Ardius]

I'm just curious, maybe there's been threads asking this before, hard to tell with a search function like that.

Anyway, I've been progressively getting more and more upset, at Sony and PD.
Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market) Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?

Actually, Europe is their biggest market. And its pretty damn obvious why its out in Japan first.

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade. And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

Why don't you do that? Everyone else normally plays other games while they wait, you don't get loyalty points you know.
There's also an obvious reason why Forza is released more often - would you say the quality is the same?

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.
there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time. They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

Not everyone downloads, not everyone can. I'd expect the majority of their sales to be to people who have no internet connection or do not know or do not want to download the game.
So they have to supply those people fairly, would it be fair to offer the download globally before they can supply the disk versions?

I'm just curious, maybe there's been threads asking this before, hard to tell with a search function like that.

Anyway, I've been progressively getting more and more upset, at Sony and PD.

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?
Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

I'm not sure why you are getting so upset about it and taking it like a personal insult and a racial thing.
Its quite simply a problem of money, logistics and time. When they finish the game, it is quicker to produce the disks and manuals in Japan because no translation needs to be done and the distances are far shorter. So its just common sense that they release it as soon as possible and that happens to be earlier in Japan.
For other countries, they have to translate the game, produce new manuals and produce enough initial stock of disks and deliver them to the shops in time. So they have to give a realistic deadline for all this to happen. Sure, producing one disk plus the translations and then delivering it to one shop may take far less time than they estimate - but they have to take into account large batches to mulitple chains of shops.

Your analogy isn't a particularly good one. Firstly the "shop" in question is located in Japan - is it really that surprising that the customers who are closer get served first? Secondly, its more a case of having to produce the right amount of product and deliver it for several different regions and then having to estimate a release date for it.
Not to mention unforeseen problems like bugs that need to be fixed at the last minute and patched before release.

Its only a few months away, go purchase and enjoy other games while you wait or play the demo coming soon.

This isn't some Sony-specific problem - it happens in all industries. Shall I complain about US films being released so many months ahead before Europe?

 

[Gaz Vonhammer]

for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market)

I though the EU was GT's biggest market.

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.

You know that it will probably be filling a 50gb bluray.

there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time.

True bit in your case it's Sony Computer Entertainment America who decide,not PD.

They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

That's why it's out in march.

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?

Not really no,because it's just video game.

Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

But that's why it's a global thing and not just conform with TrievelA7X need's:tup:

I do understand why you'd get annoyed,I was a hardcore nintendo fan the EU was so late in getting games but I almost enjoyed the fact it was just around the corner.
These days I don't care,more important things that need worrying about.







Edit
Ardius you stole my format.

 

[Adam41]

I disagree with most of what you are saying. However, I would like to see more variants of different cars in GT5. Like you said, they've given us lots of different NSX's and skylines and have so for many years. Isn't it about time to start releasing variants for other types of cars; particularly American and European models?

 

[Rash-182]

TBR 427: KY said that all versions will be finished at the same time

 

[GeeTeeR]

lets have a quick comparison between the American cars in NFS Carbon(NFS is fairly American Biased game,carbon was the first to have classic muscle cars) and GT4.

The American cars in NFS Carbon are as follows:

Tier 1

* 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS
We have 2 classic camaro's and even new ones
* 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454
Got this
* 2005 Chrysler 300C SRT-8
Got this too

Tier 2

* 1971 Dodge Challenger**
Nope sadly
* 1969 Dodge Charger R/T
1970 model in
* 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8
Not out at GT4's release
* 2006 Ford Mustang GT
In
* 1969 Plymouth Road Runner
nope sadly
* 2006 Pontiac GTO
In
* 2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR
Holden Monaro count?Maybe yes,maybe no.
Tier 3

* 2006 Chevrolet Camaro Concept*
Not out at GT4's release
* 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
C5 corvette's in,and classic one's too
* 2008 Dodge Challenger
Not out at GT4's release
* 2006 Dodge Viper SRT-10
Close,GTS version in too
* 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500
1965 Shelby Gt350 kinda makes up
* 2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500
Not out at GT4's release
* 1970 Plymouth Barracuda
Hemi Cuda is in
* 2005 Ford GT
3 different versions in,and 2 race cars

Note that GT4 also has cars like the Buick GNX and Special,The Saleen S7,The Callaway C12,The Shelby Cobra and Series 1,and Jay Leno Tank Car(?)

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Wrong GT1 had classic American muscle cars before Carbon.

 

[Dave A]

I'm just curious, maybe there's been threads asking this before, hard to tell with a search function like that.

Anyway, I've been progressively getting more and more upset, at Sony and PD.
Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them)

Nope.

and Europeans (second largest market)

Nope.

Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?

Nope. First off, as has already been said US is not the largest market, Europe is. Secondly PD is a Japanese games division owned by a Japanese company that is based in Japan and run by a Japanese workforce. You seeing a trend here. It's perfectly acceptable for them to release a Japanese product in Japan first. We don't have a divine right to get the game early just because we bought more copies of the game, it's still a Japanese product. I'd be more irked if I was Japanese and heared that the game was being released in Europe 3 months before Japan.

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade.

Then do that, I own a 360 and a PS3 and I can tell you that I use the PS3 more than the 360. I can tell you that I prefer GT5 to Forza 3 in terms of the driving and that it's blatantly obvious why Forza 3 took two years to complete. I can't speak for anyone else, ther are certainly people who feel the opposite way, but there's no reason you can't or shouldn't buy a 360 and Forza 3 if you want to, you can always buy GT5 when it's out 💡.

And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

Do you have a right to games first then? What about the rights of the people who don't get the games first, are they less important than your need to play the game first? That is such a shallow and selfish comment, I cringed when I read it.

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.

No, you don't download a 40Gb game, that's unheared of and isn't practical for the vast majority, even thoes with large enough HDD's would still require a huge and impractical ammount of time just for the download.

there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time.

Yes there is. Translation, production, packaging, shipping, storage. Preperation to shop. And that's just a handfull of many. It's not impossible to do a simultanious global release, but it means a sacrifice somewhere, usually that whoever would have been first to get the game get's it a little later. There's still the same ammount of work involved if not more so in a simultanious release but someone still loses out because instead of Japan (for example) getting GT5 in March, they'd get it in May (agai for example) with the rest of us.

They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

How do you know, because according to Kaz they are still working ont he game, correct me if I'm wrong but you don't bug test until the game is finished. You don't bug test and then release when the game is 70% done, well you can, but you'd end up with a lot of really annoyed buyers and potential ex-fans.

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?

It's you and your very narrowmindedness.

Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason?

Exactley, which is exactley why what PD are doing and is what you have just identified is right, they are serving THEIR OWN COUNTRY first.

Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

We arn't, your own illustration above identifies that the right thing is to server your own country first, which is what PD and Sony are doing.

I also forgot, one more thing.
Now, we've all discussed the amount of Skyline's, Evo's, etc to death.
However, since we now have every make and model and variant ever built, why are we not seeing every variant of American or European cars ever built?
I've heard everyone say, "oh well, all they had to do was click this and that, and they have the next variant".
Ok, well I ask, if variants are so easy, why just a 2001 Z06, and not also a 2002? (up 20 hp - that's it)

I agree with this, but it's not essential. The way I look at it is that the variants don't take much time to do, they don't replace other cars from the car list so they're simply a bonus. As long as we get a base model of that car then any slight variations are a bonus. Big variations would be nice though.

How about a non-Z06 Vette?

We already get them and have had them in every full version of Gran Turismo to date unless GT3 didn't have any but I camn't remember if it did or didn't, but regardless, we have had plenty of games with non-Z06 Vettes. Infact GT1 didn't have a Z06 Vette at all, it had the C5 though.

We had a Roush Mustang, but no GT, Regular SVT Cobra, no V6. Same with Camaro's, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I don't know as in-depth about all the EU cars, but I'm sure there were plenty of variants they could "so easily" add, but never did.

As I said, variants are nice as a bonus, but the important thing is for the car to be represented. At the end of the day with or without 10 variations of Mustang, GT games have in general far surassed the car lists for any other game. GT4 in particular, for all it's variations still had something like 500 unique cars. Show me a game that competes with that?

I bring this up because, even now, for GT5, with all the cars I see on the list, and the expected amount of total cars, there simply isn't enough to mean that they finally did this.

But is it a real problem or with what I've just posted above in mind are you making a problem out of nothing? GT could offer no variations of any car almost like Forza does barring the odd model, and no one would complain, that's the really odd thing about this. But because some cars get a variation and others don't, peope kick off about it. At the end of the day you're still getting far more than other games in the car selection department.

So basically, what I'm trying to say is, PD and Sony have teamed up to provide the WORST service to us, other than making at times, a seemingly realistic racing game.

If you say so. Although myself and plenty of others who've posted before me all seem to dissagree.

 

[BroncosXR8]

Get used to it mate, I live in Australia and I got used to the fact that I will get things after other countries, its got nothing to do with PD not liking you or your country in particular. Just because your American doesnt mean that you get first pick at everything.

 

[skazz]

I think the OP's sig sums up nicely. Anyone who calls themselves a "fanatic" desperately needs to get a life.

Go for the Xbox360 and Forza 3, or the PC and our vast array of really good race sims. More than enough to be getting on with until GT5 turns up.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Europe is the biggest market ( more countries = more people ), yet the 360 is Microsoft and American.

 

[TrievelA7X]

Europe is the biggest market ( more countries = more people ), yet the 360 is Microsoft and American.

And how many of their games get released to America 3 months before Europe or Japan?

I think the OP's sig sums up nicely. Anyone who calls themselves a "fanatic" desperately needs to get a life.

Maybe you're right, I could live without any passion, roll over, take it in the rear, and never stand for anything. Enjoy
Seriously, you're not a fanatic about anything? Why are you posting on a GT website when a game hasn't been released in 6 years, and won't be for at least another half year? I smell fanatic.

Do you have a right to games first then? What about the rights of the people who don't get the games first, are they less important than your need to play the game first? That is such a shallow and selfish comment, I cringed when I read it.Did I ever say any of that? No, you're trying to be cool and condescending. There are many choice words for that.
I never said I have any rights in the op, So I'd suggest you read it again if you're that mislead.💡

No, you don't download a 40Gb game, that's unheared of and isn't practical for the vast majority, even thoes with large enough HDD's would still require a huge and impractical ammount of time just for the download.

Ok, so NOW you're thinking of the "vast majority of the market"?
I'll download it. Granted, it'd take me about 5 hours, but I'll have to ask, "is 5 hours, or even 10 hours, LESS than 3 months"?
So what if the "vast majority" won't download it. That's their choice, it's not the company disrespecting their customers.
Oh that's right, you think this is what they should be doing, marketing, packaging, blah blah.
So why can't I download GT5 PSP for free? The largest market can (EU, I know) and so can.... everybody 'cept NA. How about that.
Can I participate in the upcoming GT Acadamy? No? Why not?
(just for you, DaveA, I'll clarify: None of this means I have a right to anything)
But as a dedicated customer and longtime supporter, I'd like to be treated better. But nobody cares about customer service anymore, because (insert your name here) are afraid your voice won't matter.
We shouldn't vote either, 'tis a waste 'O time.

We arn't, your own illustration above identifies that the right thing is to server your own country first, which is what PD and Sony are doing.

What illustration? My asking for a worldwide release? Where could I have possibly lead you to believe I thought any company should serve anything other than their largest markets equally to their home market?

But is it a real problem or with what I've jsut posted abnove in mind are you making a problem out of nothing? GT could off no variations of any car almost like Forza does, and no one would complain, that's the really odd thing about this. But because some cars get a variation and other don't peope kick off about it. At the end of the day you're still getting far more than other games in the car selection department.

You're right. But they did, that's what made GT in the first place. everyday cars. And then they had almost everything Japanese you could ask for, and they just.....stopped.
Sure, they added some big names, Buick GNX, blah blah, but they didn't add crap as far as daily drivers in America go.
These are people who took the time (little as it may be) to add a seperate Skyline just a different color, nothing else different, and in 2004 couldn't be bothered to have a 2002 Z06. let alone an 05 cobalt or corvette. But they did have an 06 eclipse.
I don't care about your opinion any more than you do mine, but whether you choose to ignore it, or just don't understand it, that's ignoring some cars, while paying extra attention to others.
And to further answer your question, yes, If a game comes out with mostly American cars, that irritates me as well. this isn't a one-way "I hate Japanese cars" thing, this is a "stop shoving me to the back of the line" thing.

It's you and your very narrowmindedness.

You mean I don't sit quietly in my corner waiting for my turn? you mean I speak out when people are rude to me? Or that I simply don't like being treated as less than anyone else?
If I recall, an entire race of people in this country said that a couple decades ago, and demanded to be treated better, seems to be working out for them.
Stop. No that's doesn't mean this game is of epic proportions, it means nobody actually stops buying stuff/shopping places anymore when they get irritated with the service there. everybody just sucks it up like a useless wetbag, and I for one can't understand at all why.

I understand you may disagree, or simply think it's not important enough to care, that's up to you, but it doesn't make me "narrow minded" or the other choice words you thought in your head.

 

[finnracer]

Europe is GT's largest market not America which is the second largest. Also how can you expect GT to have an even amount of cars per region when it is a Japenese game made by a Japenese company who are part of another Japenese company. Also you complain about the lack of various models look at Forza 3 which only has the best of each different models.

 

[TrievelA7X]

Europe is GT's largest market not America which is the second largest.

We covered that.
Unless that changes something, I think it's inconsequential. Don't you? Or do you know something about the release dates nobody else does?
Perhaps you could answer me why then EU is getting free GT PSP downloads, and North America is not?

 

[Smoke&Slide]

"And how many of their games get released to America 3 months before Europe or Japan ?".

They aren't leaving you in the poop are they.Where is the problem ?.

 

[Micdog49]

Honestly, quit your whinging. As BroncosXR8 said. We live in Australia and we get EVERYTHING that isn't Australian made lightyears after you, and then we have to pay more. Compare this for example, a brand new Porsche 911 costs around AU$90,000 in the US. In the land of Aus they start at well over AU$200,000. - Then we get put on a waiting list depending on how many yanks bought cars first. It is the same with GT. When your finally at 15% and have gotten over how "late" it was. I will probably be opening my case. And closing this one.

 

[skazz]

Maybe you're right, I could live without any passion, roll over, take it in the rear, and never stand for anything. Enjoy
Seriously, you're not a fanatic about anything? Why are you posting on a GT website when a game hasn't been released in 6 years, and won't be for at least another half year? I smell fanatic.

I'll bite:

Definition of "fanatic":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fanatic (A U.S. dictionary, not a British one)
"marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion"

Definition of "fan":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fan
"1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>"

I'm a fan, not a fanatic. And happy to be so.
Enjoy

 

[TrievelA7X]

Honestly, quit your whinging. As BroncosXR8 said. We live in Australia and we get EVERYTHING that isn't Australian made lightyears after you, and then we have to pay more. Compare this for example, a brand new Porsche 911 costs around AU$90,000 in the US. In the land of Aus they start at well over AU$200,000. - Then we get put on a waiting list depending on how many yanks bought cars first. It is the same with GT. When your finally at 15% and have gotten over how "late" it was. I will probably be opening my case. And closing this one.

Well my question for you would be why?
I know in your example, Porsche has to ship their cars halfway (literally) around the world to get them there, and they don't send that many. Whereas America, they send a lot to, and if need be, they can ship them with the loads of other cars.
But you're right, if you're saying they should have a worldwide release.

There are other things against the game too.
Like the total lack of online play when other games had it, for some time.
Like the simply awful online gaming that is even currently available.

Now, in a nutshell, one could argue that between june-december of next year (yes I said december) Will essentially be the first time GT goes online. Obviously not in the truest sense, because of GT5P, etc, (and GT4's BS lan crap) but it will be the first full GT game EVER to be able to be played online like regular games have been doing for.... how many years is it now?
AI that can't drive a racing line? I know GT5P has the same exact horrible AI drivers as before.

come to think of it, the things I liked about GT were this:
Graphics.
driving physics (some)
being able to take a bone stock something I might be able to drive around tracks.

graphics are better than ever +1
physics better than ever +2
Internet finally +3
car selection - about the same. (maybe I'll get lucky and they'll include the fast Cobalts, with 270HP, and get to try and figure out how to relate that to a 150hp version)
But have no fear, the kid over there, you know, the one who bought a "drifter" car, meaning a 130HP 200 SX, for way to much just to look cool? He's covered.

I'll bite:

Definition of "fanatic":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fanatic (A U.S. dictionary, not a British one)
"marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion"

Definition of "fan":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fan
"1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>"

I'm a fan, not a fanatic. And happy to be so.
Enjoy

You answered your own question then, didn't you?
guess I'm not a fanatic after all.

"And how many of their games get released to America 3 months before Europe or Japan ?".

They aren't leaving you in the poop are they.Where is the problem ?.

What?
You didn't answer how many.
So I'll ask it again, because I really don't know, How many XBOX games get released 3 months in advance to America over Japan, or EU?

 

[TrievelA7X]

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[Smoke&Slide]

Well there is alot of 360 games, if you seriously want to know look on Wikipedia or something.

 

[Dave A]

Maybe you're right, I could live without any passion, roll over, take it in the rear, and never stand for anything. Enjoy
Seriously, you're not a fanatic about anything? Why are you posting on a GT website when a game hasn't been released in 6 years, and won't be for at least another half year? I smell fanatic.

There's a difference between a fan and a fanatic, I'm on here and I'm only a fan, I find it very hard to get fanatical about things because when you're fanatical your judgment usualy goes out the window. I'm not knocking your enthusiasm though, you arn't alone in that, but a fanatical viewpoint is never as good as a balanced one. And without wishing to offend, this is coming across in your posts now.

Do you have a right to games first then? What about the rights of the people who don't get the games first, are they less important than your need to play the game first? That is such a shallow and selfish comment, I cringed when I read it.Did I ever say any of that? No, you're trying to be cool and condescending. There are many choice words for that.
I never said I have any rights in the op, So I'd suggest you read it again if you're that mislead.💡

You implied, and don't try to say you didn't. Your words were "they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.". Either you've put what you meant very badly, or you are implying that it's important that you recieve the games first.

Ok, so NOW you're thinking of the "vast majority of the market"?
I'll download it. Granted, it'd take me about 5 hours, but I'll have to ask, "is 5 hours, or even 10 hours, LESS than 3 months"?

You know that even if they did offer the game as a download (which they won't since the maximum file limit is way below 40Gig) that you will get the game early. You won't. The DL version wouldn't be available online until the day the game officially goes on sale anyway. That's marketing and it's sensible.

Oh that's right, you think this is what they should be doing, marketing, packaging, blah blah.

It's important, very important. You wouldn't make a good business man I can you that now. Like I said at the start of this post, a fanatical view is a flawed view. And your view is full of fantaicism.

So why can't I download GT5 PSP for free? The largest market can (EU, I know) and so can.... everybody 'cept NA. How about that.

It's not technically free, you had to buy the PSP first. It's nothing more than a twis on the console + game bundles you see all over the palce.

Can I participate in the upcoming GT Acadamy? No? Why not?

You're kidding right? Beucase it's not being run in America. GT Academy is not a cheap venture, it's costing Sony a lot of money. You have your own scheme, winning tickets to the Indy 500, we arn't getting tickets to the Silverstone GP. Sure you might prefer one over other but at least you have something. GT Academy is being from Europe, that's why the entrants are here. If you were that bothered you could always create UK PSN account and DL the GT Acedmy trial and if you win fly over to the UK for the next stage. I don't think they'd be bothere if you made your own way here.

What illustration? My asking for a worldwide release? Where could I have possibly lead you to believe I thought any company should serve anything other than their largest markets equally to their home market?

In other words, you would rather the Japanese release was held back to match the EU and US relsease rather than Japan get the game when it's ready for them.

You're right. But they did, that's what made GT in the first place. everyday cars. And then they had almost everything Japanese you could ask for, and they just.....stopped.
Sure, they added some big names, Buick GNX, blah blah, but they didn't add crap as far as daily drivers in America go.
These are people who took the time (little as it may be) to add a seperate Skyline just a different color, nothing else different, and in 2004 couldn't be bothered to have a 2002 Z06. let alone an 05 cobalt or corvette. But they did have an 06 eclipse.
I don't care about your opinion any more than you do mine, but whether you choose to ignore it, or just don't understand it, that's ignoring some cars, while paying extra attention to others.
And to further answer your question, yes, If a game comes out with mostly American cars, that irritates me as well. this isn't a one-way "I hate Japanese cars" thing, this is a "stop shoving me to the back of the line" thing.

You'll never get that ideal balance because the ideal is different for each and every one of us. There are more American cars in GT4 than there are American cars in Forza 3, there are more European cars in GT4 than there are European cars in Forza 3. Regardless of GT4 having a Japanese bias, it's not like we're limited to a puny few cars from other regions.

You mean I don't sit quietly in my corner waiting for my turn? you mean I speak out when people are rude to me? Or that I simply don't like being treated as less than anyone else?
If I recall, an entire race of people in this country said that a couple decades ago, and demanded to be treated better, seems to be working out for them.
Stop. No that's doesn't mean this game is of epic proportions, it means nobody actually stops buying stuff/shopping places anymore when they get irritated with the service there. everybody just sucks it up like a useless wetbag, and I for one can't understand at all why.

This isn't close to racial discrimination, it lacks both the importantce and the ethics. This is business, simple as that. The game is in production, it's being made by a Japanese company, based in Japan, by a Japanese workforce. The first iteration of the game is Japanese, so why hold that one back when there's no conflict for release until they have the US and EU versions ready? Global launches can and do happen, but there's still just as much work involved in making the game as staggered releases if not more so in terms of coordination. So a global release isn't giving you the game early, it's giving the Japanese the game late. I don't see any reason to do that. If it really bothers you that much simply import the game.

I understand you may disagree, or simply think it's not important enough to care, that's up to you, but it doesn't make me "narrow minded" or the other choice words you thought in your head.

It does because you arn't seeing the bigger picture. You've admited that you're fanatical but you so far failed to see how this is creating a huge overreaction from yourself.

 

[Sele1981]

Unfortunately we must buy the game... Even if they play with us and do whatever they want... No matter what happens, when the game comes out, every fan will run to the store and buy it... Even if they bring it in 2011 (I think it´s a possible thing)...

 

[Micdog49]

You'll get what your given and you'll damn well eat it!

 

[GeeTeeR]

Wrong GT1 had classic American muscle cars before Carbon.

I was referring to Carbon being the first NFS to have classic muscles

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Oh sorry .