Anyone else tired of this?

[ItsHim]

You'll get Nascar and ovals, doesn't that make you happy?

KZ said they had even to rework AI because of the complicated rules of Nascar.

Still not happy?

 

[nist7]

Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market) Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade. And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.
there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time. They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?
Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

EDIT:
Forgot to add, GT5 for PSP (or whatever it's called) is now FREE for anyone that lives anywhere other than NA. Now, is that because of packaging/shipping/whatever else?

"Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market) Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?"

You're pissed that a game made and developed by the Japanese is being released to the Japanese players first? You serious?

"Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game?"

LOLOLOL Yes. That's right. It's racist to release a game, developed by your own country's company, to your own country's people first. Wow not like this happens to every other video game.

"Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade."

Yes that's right. Screw a good game, I just want a game that has in its title a number that's higher than the previous one in a short amount of time. Btw GT has released 3 games in first decade (GT3, GT4, GT5), four if you count GT2 since it was released in late december of 1999/jan 2000 to EU.

"And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally."

LOL. Yeah how dare they release it to their own people before ME! Racism I tell you!

"Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.
there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time. They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)"

It's easier to ship discs in your own country instead of having to cargo plane millions to other countries, setup promotional items, manage store inventory in foreign countries than to....just do it in your own country first. Although i do agree that game develoeprs should try to release games at relatively the same week or at least month. But since we have no definitive date for NA/EU or even a Japanese release that's still up in the air.

I also forgot, one more thing.
Now, we've all discussed the amount of Skyline's, Evo's, etc to death.
However, since we now have every make and model and variant ever built, why are we not seeing every variant of American or European cars ever built?
I've heard everyone say, "oh well, all they had to do was click this and that, and they have the next variant".
Ok, well I ask, if variants are so easy, why just a 2001 Z06, and not also a 2002? (up 20 hp - that's it)
How about a non-Z06 Vette?
We had a Roush Mustang, but no GT, Regular SVT Cobra, no V6. Same with Camaro's, etc, etc, etc, etc.
I don't know as in-depth about all the EU cars, but I'm sure there were plenty of variants they could "so easily" add, but never did.

I bring this up because, even now, for GT5, with all the cars I see on the list, and the expected amount of total cars, there simply isn't enough to mean that they finally did this.

And when they first implemented all those variants, they ignored the rest of the worlds cars, and it seems the will continue to do so, other than the obligatory "hot new ones".

So basically, what I'm trying to say is, PD and Sony have teamed up to provide the WORST service to us, other than making at times, a seemingly realistic racing game.

While I agree with you that there does need to be more cars (but official GT5 car list isn't out yet so we'll see) there is simply no point in adding a 2002 Z06, while there is a very good point in adding the 2003/2004 Terminator. Oh and GT4 has tons of old and classic and european/Japanese/NA cars so I'm not sure where you get the idea that they ignore the rest of the world and only focus on exciting ones.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I'm just curious, maybe there's been threads asking this before, hard to tell with a search function like that.

Anyway, I've been progressively getting more and more upset, at Sony and PD.
Aside from the horrendously long wait, between GT4 and whenever they feel like getting GT5 out for us Americans (the largest market for them) and Europeans (second largest market) Isn't anyone else just flat out pissed off, and insulted that they always release GT games to Japan first?

The largest market nowadays is Europe, get your facts right-

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade. And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

Then stop whining and buy one.
And GT3, GT Concept, GT4: Prologue, GT4, TT, GTHD Concept, GT5: Prologue & GT PSP are a bit more than 2 games in a decade right?

Now, I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "well, they need to make x number of copies" - Sorry, downloads exist now.
there is absolutely NO REASON that they cannot release it all at the same time. They've had MORE than enough time to test everything, from in-game glitches, to internet play. (something else they lagged in BIG TIME)

Oh, you know what theyve done in the whole development and where they are now? Cool.

So is it just me, or don't these things make any of you guys just want to say * PD, * Sony, I'll buy Another brand?
Would you take this crap if you went to a store, and they served everyone from another country or race before you without reason? Why do we accept this for a video game? I understand it's great, but holy hell, you can only slap me in the face so many times before I tell you to go..... love yourself.

God i love that i dont care for brands.

EDIT:
Forgot to add, GT5 for PSP (or whatever it's called) is now FREE for anyone that lives anywhere other than NA. Now, is that because of packaging/shipping/whatever else?

No, its because North America is not the biggest market for the PlayStation and Gran Turismo. And god damn, we already pay way too much for hard- and software, we got games ages later than the US in so many cases, now we get one or two bonuses and you start to cry.

 

[Wools]

Honestly, what this makes me want to do, is go out, buy an XBOX, Forza 3, and a wheel for XBOX. Maybe the games aren't quite as good, or in-depth, but for Christ's sake, at least they can make more than two per decade. And they don't release their games to other people before me intentionally.

I currently own a 360 and enjoy it immensely with all the available games for it, including Forza 3. I brought a PS3 last year when GT5 Prologue was released, however after I completed Prologue I sold the PS3 as there were not many games out for the system that I enjoyed.

Now we’re into the last hurdle with Gran Turismo 5 imminent, I will pick up a PS3 Slim the weekend Polyphony’s masterpiece is released. Although Forza 3 is brilliant, I always understand why Polyphony take so long as their racing series is in a class of its own!

You don't have to align yourself with one console manufacturer or another, why don’t you either just hold off in till GT5 is out or pick up a 360 this weekend and enjoy Forza 3 till then?

Both are great systems, don’t limit yourself to one or the other.

 

[nist7]

And how many of their games get released to America 3 months before Europe or Japan?

we don't know official release dates yet. it is only a "he said she said" thing where some blog was at some sony conference and some guy mentioned something.

Maybe you're right, I could live without any passion, roll over, take it in the rear, and never stand for anything. Enjoy
Seriously, you're not a fanatic about anything? Why are you posting on a GT website when a game hasn't been released in 6 years, and won't be for at least another half year? I smell fanatic.

I agree with you in the sense that we shouldn't just lap up the corporate PR anytime any news, good or bad, comes out of a topic/company/issue that we love. And criticism should be voiced when it's appropriate. While I agree with some of you opinions, I disagree with others.

Do you have a right to games first then? What about the rights of the people who don't get the games first, are they less important than your need to play the game first? That is such a shallow and selfish comment, I cringed when I read it.

Eh. It's a privilege, not a right. While it sucks that some regions will get games later date than other regions (like almost all other games) that's just how life goes. But usually its within a month or so. We should feel privileged that there is such a great game as GT, BUT at the same time this does not mean we should praise everything they do and not criticize PD/Sony. The fact that you are so passionate and angry is a good thing...even if I disagree with some of what you say I think you do care about GT and that matters the most. 👍

Ok, so NOW you're thinking of the "vast majority of the market"?
I'll download it. Granted, it'd take me about 5 hours, but I'll have to ask, "is 5 hours, or even 10 hours, LESS than 3 months"?
So what if the "vast majority" won't download it. That's their choice, it's not the company disrespecting their customers.
Oh that's right, you think this is what they should be doing, marketing, packaging, blah blah.

Downloading is an option. Although you have to factor in how long it takes (im guessing double sided bluray which means around 50GB). And IIRC a 50GB download will take up to a week. So depending on your connection it may or may not take a while. Of course this is not as big of a deal as the fact that you are losing out on a physical disc. And not to mention if the download is interrupted for some reason or it is corrupt.

You're right. But they did, that's what made GT in the first place. everyday cars. And then they had almost everything Japanese you could ask for, and they just.....stopped.
Sure, they added some big names, Buick GNX, blah blah, but they didn't add crap as far as daily drivers in America go.
These are people who took the time (little as it may be) to add a seperate Skyline just a different color, nothing else different, and in 2004 couldn't be bothered to have a 2002 Z06. let alone an 05 cobalt or corvette. But they did have an 06 eclipse.
I don't care about your opinion any more than you do mine, but whether you choose to ignore it, or just don't understand it, that's ignoring some cars, while paying extra attention to others.
And to further answer your question, yes, If a game comes out with mostly American cars, that irritates me as well. this isn't a one-way "I hate Japanese cars" thing, this is a "stop shoving me to the back of the line" thing.

I do agree with you here. And this is a genuine criticism for GT4. And hopefully GT5 will be better. But since GT is Japanese origined, we still have to keep in mind that they prolly will have more Japanese cars.

From what I first read of what you posted, Trievel, I have begun to believe that you really love GT and what to see it get better. Which I think is awesome. And we all do. We all want a shorter time between release with more cars and better options of getting the game (ie, download). Of course at the same time we should remember that it is a privilege that KY and his crew have built such a good game compared to the other lesser driving simulators out there!

 

[Wools]

I currently own a 360 and enjoy it immensely with all the available games for it, including Forza 3. I brought a PS3 last year when GT5 Prologue was released, however after I completed Prologue I sold the PS3 as there were not many games out for the system that I enjoyed.

Now we’re into the last hurdle with Gran Turismo 5 imminent, I will pick up a PS3 Slim the weekend Polyphony’s masterpiece is released. Although Forza 3 is brilliant, I always understand why Polyphony take so long as their racing series is in a class of its own!

You don't have to align yourself with one console manufacturer or another, why don’t you either just hold off in till GT5 is out or pick up a 360 this weekend and enjoy Forza 3 till then?

Both are great systems, don’t limit yourself to one or the other.

 

[TokyoDrift]

I guess the poll told you eh TrievelA7X?!

As for PSP Go and GT being free for all but NA, it's because the PSP Go is an absolute rip-off everywhere else compared to the 3000.

 

[cletus 669]

After reading this thread it seems to me that the long wait for GT5 has truely sent this gent off his rocker! Can someone get him a "CHILL PILL" cause I think he is going to have an anurism or something. 👍


AND @ TokyoDrift, true so true. Let this FOOL go buy an Xbox and FM3 and see just how incomplete the game is and I bet that when GT5 is released he, even after this little rant, will still go buy it and love it.

 

[hardvibes]

I bought the elite+fm3 bundle.... just for this game, even if I can't hook up my dfgt and even if I hate this system.
Sony is making fun of us. Sorry but I'm sick of this:censored:.
At least I'm having fun...

 

[nist7]

I'm not even sure where you are getting this "3 months" idea from. Sony doesn't even know exactly when they are going to release it. The destructoid article says:


Without getting too specific, he then revealed that Sony was eyeing a vague "Summer 2010" release

It's not like Sony said we will release on this exact date. They are "eyeing" a "vauge" "summer 2010" release. So to already conclude that Japan will get the game 3 months before everyone else is a bit premature.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

I bought the elite+fm3 bundle.... just for this game, even if I can't hook up my dfgt and even if I hate this system.
Sony is making fun of us. Sorry but I'm sick of this:censored:.
At least I'm having fun...

Could've bought Toca Race Driver 3 & a PS2 .I bought TRD3, Dirt 2 & Ferrari F355 Challenge ( that's a game without a sense of speed ) yesterday.

 

[cletus 669]

Could've bought Toca Race Driver 3 & a PS2 .I bought TRD3, Dirt 2 & Ferrari F355 Challenge ( that's a game without a sense of speed ) yesterday.

How is TRD3? I played 2 a couple of years ago and liked it quite a lot.

 

[hardvibes]

I did try dirt2...I wont pay full price for that. Actually I bought shift (there was no demo in september and I desperately needed something) but I sold it after a month for obvious reasons.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

I paid £20 at the local Gamestation shop.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Let this FOOL go buy an Xbox and FM3 and see just how incomplete the game is and I bet that when GT5 is released he, even after this little rant, will still go buy it and love it.

Yep, such is the mindset of an impatient, indecisive perfectionist. Never has the ability to wait, and is never happy with what they do get - always a compromise, always something better out there. End result = buyers remorse. So yes, even if he did get FM3, he'd also get GT5 when it releases, regardless of when that is.

I did try dirt2...I wont pay full price for that. Actually I bought shift (there was no demo in september and I desperately needed something) but I sold it after a month.

I just finished putting upwards of 20 hours into DiRT 2 - fantastic arcade rally racer.

 

[Mermadium]

Nothing has been announced yet, but if is going to be released some time later maybe there are some issues we users don't know about regarding server fine tuning or localization ,etc, that makes sense for their business.

 

[RAVELLRON]

for me is a strategy of sony... more time passed by to the release of the game, more people will spend money for other kind of game, cuz my idea is that when gt5 will be release, no one will play any other kind of game... gt5 will kill other game company....

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Voted "no". I got many other things to be offended and/or pissed about! Life's too short. It wouldn't even occur to me to be mad about the fact GT games always get released first to Japan. It's probably a hell of a lot more convenient to work out marketing & shipping details by getting it towards PD"s home market first.

No offense, OP, but you sound like a whiney "me first" type of American. Typical.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

We already get them and have had them in every full version of Gran Turismo to date unless GT3 didn't have any but I camn't remember if it did or didn't, but regardless, we have had plenty of games with non-Z06 Vettes. Infact GT1 didn't have a Z06 Vette at all, it had the C5 though.

Actually, GT1 had several Vettes, none of them from the C5 generation. There was the infamous '67 C2 vette (Arcade mode only unless you 'Shark it out from there), and there was the Grand Sport and base coupe, both from the C4 generation (1984-1996).

GT3 had a Grand Sport (C4) as well as the Z06.

 

[G.T.Ace]

GT1:

Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray '67 (Arcade Mode only)
Chevrolet Corvette '96 Coupe
Chevrolet Corvette '96 Grand Sport

GT2:

Corvette Sting Ray '67
Drive train : FR
Aspiration : N
Tuned min : 463hp
NA max : 630hp
Mod weight : 3020lb
Race weight : 2899lb
P/W ratio : 4.60


Corvette 427 Stingray '69
Drive train : FR
Aspiration : N
Tuned min : 460hp
NA max : 617hp
Mod weight : 2888lb
Race weight : 2771lb
P/W ratio : 4.49


Corvette Stingray '82
Drive train : FR
Aspiration : N
Tuned min : 233hp
NA max : 395hp
Mod weight : 2974lb
Race weight : 2854lb
P/W ratio : 7.23


Corvette ZR1 '95
Drive train : FR
Aspiration : N
Tuned min : 425hp
NA max : 642hp
Mod weight : 3119lb
Race weight : 2993lb
P/W ratio : 4.66


Corvette Coupe '96
Drive train : FR
Aspiration : N
Tuned min : 351hp
NA max : 667hp
Mod weight : 2934lb
Race weight : 2815lb
P/W ratio : 4.22


Corvette Grand Sport '96
Drive train : FR
Aspiration : N
Tuned min : 351hp
NA max : 667hp
Mod weight : 2934lb
Race weight : 2815lb
P/W ratio : 4.22

GT3:

Chevrolet Corvette C5R '00
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport '96
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 '00

GT4:

Chevrolet Corvette C5R (C5) 2000
Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (C1) 1954
Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) 1963
Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) 1996
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) 1969
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car 1963
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) 2000
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) 1990

https://www.gtplanet.net/guides/index.php/Game_Guides

 

[Dave A]

Yeah your right, but my point was just that the Z06 isn't and has never been the only type of Vette in a full GT game. Thanks for the clairifaction though, I was going to type C4 but my Vette timeline isn't brilliant and I thought the C4's had ended and C5 started earlier than that.

 

[kikie]

Plain and simple:



NOPE

 

[McLaren]

Europe is the biggest market ( more countries = more people ), yet the 360 is Microsoft and American.

Europe is the biggest market for GT, but your reason isn't why.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Sorry, because there are fans of Nascar in Europe ( likely not as many fans as in America ) & the WRC comes from the middle earth too.The same can be said, in your country except Nascar is more popular.However the WRC is a wide range kind of sport, meaning it's in many countries.

 

[McLaren]

Sorry, because there are fans of Nascar in Europe ( likely not as many fans as in America ) & the WRC comes from the middle earth too.The same can be said, in your country except Nascar is more popular.However the WRC is a wide range kind of sport, meaning it's in many countries.

That's not why your reasoning is wrong. More countries does not equal more people.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Correct, North America is more than just the United States and definitely has more gamers. Doesnt change that Europe is GTs core market.

 

[evilfoxhound]

Europe is actually Gran Turismo's biggest market, OP. Know your history.

As for a summer release. Meh, not too bad as there are tonnes of other games released in March. And i'm still into Forza 3.

 

[myke6699]

I sincerely don't want a rush job the way T10 did with their driving game. If I'm desperate enough, I'll import the game and buy the NA version when it's release here. That way I can at least contribute in making Greenberg's prediction wrong.

 

[Dravonic]

Wow, talk about an inflated ego...

No, not a problem at all. The game is Japanese, I would be surprised if it was released anywhere before Japan. This reminds of people complaining how "the game has a bias towards Japanese cars". I go like "WTF? Of course! How can that be surprising?".

It could be a simultaneous release though. Dunno why they don't do that. Doesn't seems to be PD's decision anyway.

 

[McLaren]

Correct, North America is more than just the United States and definitely has more gamers. Doesnt change that Europe is GTs core market.

I don't know if there is a way to determine who exactly has more gamers, butwhat his reasoning forgot was the fact that while Asia has 3 countries less than Europe, it boasts a much larger population.
When you also divide the number of people per country, you'll find N.A. is around 23 million for its 23 countries compared to EU's 14.6 million per 50.

However, I don't find either statistics relevant at all in figuring out why GT sales are higher in Europe as each continent has its own personal situation.