Arab spring uprises Tunisia/Egypt/Libya/Syria

[Vince_Fiero]

I will just have to correct that there is no Pro Mubarak party.Most of those are secret Militia and Police that remain in hiding who were appointed by bussines men and former Parlman memmbers.

Although this is a feeling I have too, we should have this confirmed by a neutral source. Meaning I believe you, let neutral observers do their work on this.

However:
* yesterday a first french jounalist was obducted in the morning and accused of spying.
* in the rest of the day, almost all journalists seem to say they are put under pressure, were accused of spying and/or had their material confiscated.

So I have lost faith in a neutral solution internally, too many signs people want to hide and manipulate the facts that are released.
We have reached a state where I would expect some international force to ask to go in. 1 to observe neutrally and 2 to protect any none Egyptian people that might become collateral damage. I still feel it is an internal matter, but the current state of violence seems to make that people outside of the conflict are in too much danger.

 

[spiker]

So I have lost faith in a neutral solution internally, too many signs people want to hide and manipulate the facts that are released.
We have reached a state where I would expect some international force to ask to go in. 1 to observe neutrally and 2 to protect any none Egyptian people that might become collateral damage. I still feel it is an internal matter, but the current state of violence seems to make that people outside of the conflict are in too much danger.

There's an easier solution then sending an international force to protect neutral outsiders and it's pretty simple. The outsiders should leave if they don't want to be caught in the middle of it. There's no reason to throw more outsiders into the mix and the people who are there and want to stay should understand the risk of walking into the flames, so to speak.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Although this is a feeling I have too, we should have this confirmed by a neutral source. Meaning I believe you, let neutral observers do their work on this.

However:
* yesterday a first french jounalist was obducted in the morning and accused of spying.
* in the rest of the day, almost all journalists seem to say they are put under pressure, were accused of spying and/or had their material confiscated.

So I have lost faith in a neutral solution internally, too many signs people want to hide and manipulate the facts that are released.
We have reached a state where I would expect some international force to ask to go in. 1 to observe neutrally and 2 to protect any none Egyptian people that might become collateral damage. I still feel it is an internal matter, but the current state of violence seems to make that people outside of the conflict are in too much danger.

Well The proof is there Pro democracy or Anti Mubarak Protesters did capture alot of these Molotov cocktail throwers and they found Police I.D's and an Investigation against the Government will be filled.

There's an easier solution then sending an international force to protect neutral outsiders and it's pretty simple. The outsiders should leave if they don't want to be caught in the middle of it. There's no reason to throw more outsiders into the mix and the people who are there and want to stay should understand the risk of walking into the flames, so to speak.

Well Foreign Countries did ask their people to leave to you might have a point that those who didn't are asking for trouble but it's not easy for some to just pack and go.

 

[Dotini]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/us-plan-replace-mubarak/

The US is apparently more than ready to replace Mubarak with Suleiman.

 

[Omnis]

Michael Scheuer weighs in: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4525942/a-terrorist-hunter-weighs-in-on-egypt/

 

[spiker]

CNN was reporting breaking news that Mubarak has resigned not even 30 minutes ago and now I can't find anything about it on their website.

 

[blaaah]

That news came out yesterday about him resigning. Trying to work out how to do it is what they are working out I think.

 

[Dotini]

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/02/06/caught-in-the-headlights/
From the column "Behind the Headlines", by the articulate gay Libertarian editor of Antiwar.com, Justin Raimondo:

The Obama administration has veered all over the map when it comes to the Egyptian uprising, beginning with Vice President Joe Biden declaring his fulsome support for his dear friend Hosni Mubarak, and refusing to characterize him as a dictator. That Obama’s crew were asleep at the wheel – delegating their response to a figure whom no one in Washington takes very seriously – was painfully apparent as the Cairo revolt showed every sign of becoming a full-scale nationwide revolution...

....The Obama administration pretends to sympathize with the Egyptian people and the protesters in the streets, but in reality they are appalled – and frightened. The sight of masses of people upending a government friendly to the US has them shaking in their boots. What scares them the most is that they never saw it coming – just as they won’t see it approaching if and when it happens closer to home. They think the repressive apparatus of the State is invincible, and imagine their fortress of power to be impregnable – but so did Mubarak.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

My goodness was I ignorant about this country:

From wikipedia

Egypt
Main article: Emergency law in Egypt

Egyptians have been living under an Emergency Law (Law No. 162 of 1958)[9] since 1967, except for an 18-month break in 1980. The emergency was imposed during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, and reimposed following the assassination of President Anwar Sadat. The law has been continuously extended every three years since 1981. Under the law, police powers are extended, constitutional rights suspended and censorship is legalized.[10] The law sharply circumscribes any non-governmental political activity: street demonstrations, non-approved political organizations, and unregistered financial donations are formally banned. Some 17,000 people are detained under the law, and estimates of political prisoners run as high as 30,000.[11]

This sounds more like a

chronic disease
As an adjective, chronic can refer to a persistent and lasting medical condition. Chronicity is usually applied to a condition that lasts more than three months.

then a governmental issue.

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@ Dotini

The sight of masses of people upending a government friendly to the US has them shaking in their boots. What scares them the most is that they never saw it coming – just as they won’t see it approaching if and when it happens closer to home.

I was @ a speach of a member of the European Parliament yesterday.
He clearly was stating that there are some time bombs:
* youth unemployment in Spain
* china's poverty and billionairs
* ....

All this might lead to global unstability.

I believe the person was trying to scare people into voting for his party, but I do believe the world leaders are fearing for local revolutions.

 

[blaaah]

Taking a turn for the worse in Egypt. Egyptian military have detained hundred or thousands or protesters and some have been tortured.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-army-detentions-torture-accused

 

[lbsf1]

BREAKING NEWS.

President Mubarak is to adress the nation shortly, hundreds of thousands have gathered in Tahrir square, the bbc are speaking to many leading activists over the phone as they can't get into the capital because of the amount of trafic trying to get to the protests.

I can't help but feel this is a massive turning point in history.

 

[Apok]

There is a live stream of it on Youtube I think.

http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish?feature=ticker

 

[lbsf1]

He hasn't resigned he just said he will transfer some power over to his vice president.

I see a mass riot about to happen.

 

[sems4arsenal]

How on earth can he be such a Cold hearted Animal,I am actually going to the Square tomorrow

 

[Vince_Fiero]

I am actually going to the Square tomorrow

I wish you and the Egyptian people there the best outcome possible.

It is scary for you and for the government in place, keep the heads cool, but get your point across and keep hope up. Hope is what makes the future great and there is always hope where there is life.

 

[Touring Mars]

I wish you and the Egyptian people there the best outcome possible.

Me too...

...although, I just hope that the protesters, with all their legitimate and understandable frustration at Mubarak's apparent defiance, do not run out of patience and resort to violence to get their way. Unfortunately, while the world is clearly behind the movement to get rid of Mubarak, Mubarak still holds two ace cards - the support of the army (insomuch as the army seem willing to abide by his wishes and stay in power until elections in September) and, perhaps more importantly, the fact that a power vacuum could jepardize the stability of country as well as the entire region... this latter point is presumably why the army accept that Mubarak should stay in power until there is a possibility of an 'orderly transition'.

Mubarak may have these ace cards that could keep him in power for a while yet - but the protesters have already succeeded in their principal aim, which is to ensure that Mubarak is replaced eventually... perhaps they will fail in their attempts to get rid of him immediately, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[DKLion3s]

Yes, that void you speak of TM, can generate some serious setbacks for the country should democratic platform for voters faulter, that can last for years.

By the way: jepardize = jeopardize.

 

[GTPorsche]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12433045

Mubarak has resigned.

 

[Denur]

I just heard it, wow, amazing.

Which regime will follow, after Tunisia and Egypt?
And what does it mean for the stability in that region?

 

[Furinkazen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12433045

Mubarak has resigned.

The people are jubilant. Watching on bbc news 24...

 

[spiker]

Good for the people of Egypt.

 

[Keef]

I'm not about to call this a good thing for Egypt until we find out who or what takes his place...

 

[Denur]

Good for the people of Egypt.

Yes, for most of them anyway. But it's kinda tricky for the rest of the (western) world. Mubarak's regime was good friends with the USA and recognized Israel. But also, the Suez canal was in good hands with Mubarak and the goods traffic between East and West was secure. While the Egyptian people can at last get a taste of freedom, the region and the rest of the world enter a time of insecurity regarding peace and trade. Will the military really allow for free elections? And what role will the Muslim Brotherhood play? If Egypt turns into a fundamental Muslim state like Iran, than we're in for some hot times.

 

[Dotini]

I'm pretty sure Egypt will continue on as a conservative, authoritarian military oligarchy.

Suleiman is in his seventies, and I imagine the Revolution will go on until they get someone in their sixties as "President".

Elections will ensue, and a mixed bureaucracy of generally younger but still conservative secular and religious leaders will emerge, I think.

It would surprise me if the sclerotic Muslim Brotherhood succeeded into any high position of power. The youth movement has perhaps left them behind.

Hopefully submitted,
Dotini

 

[sems4arsenal]

OMGGGG Finally Unbelivable really .I didn't go to the Square I decided to Man up and go to Presidential Palace and some remarkable stories Today I witnessed .Just glad that all the People are watching to see how with a Good Will and with a voice you can change 👍

 

[DKLion3s]

^... Good luck!

 

[DK]

I genuinely hope Ahmadinejad is the next lunatic in that region to quit.

 

[lbsf1]

Wow, a country considered very stable only a couple of months ago has now been overturned. Very worrying for any other country.

I am actually going to the Square tomorrow

How did it go?

 

[sems4arsenal]

Wow, a country considered very stable only a couple of months ago has now been overturned. Very worrying for any other country.



How did it go?

Hey Mate,I was going but decided to go to a more important Place,I went to the Presidential Palace and It was an experience I will never forget,We were the first to know that something was going to happen because an hour before the Resignition announcement the Army Tanks that were Pointing at us Turned away and Pointed in the other direction and Covered the Tank with the Egyptian Flag then all of us shouted "the Army and The people One hand ".But I have to say Kudos to the army although Blocking the street with Barbed wire and Tanks the soldiers looked like they wanted to join us and they kept throwing food and water to us as a sign of good faith.It really was an Epic day one of the best of my Life a Huge victory to all People that feel injustice around the world.I could go on and on but I am running on empty at the moment but felt I had to say this and shout a Huge thanks to all of you guys here .

Here's to a brighter Future Hopefully

 

[Omnis]

Sems, that is fantastic. I will pray for you and for a peaceful and free egypt.