Assetto corsa coming to PS4 and Xbox one

[dopedog]

Interessant reading... And maybe make people more comprehensive with game developers.

http://kotaku.com/five-things-i-did...edium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Kotaku_twitter

For the rest.... Kunos With 3 guys did a port of their sim on console, with the complete physics engine, driving and FFB on a solid basis..

They said and repeated plenty of times that they see the 1.0 assetto from console like the 1.0 assetto PC version time ago.
A basis to begin improving and building.

So why some people don't stop whining and go to the support threads of kunos to help with bug and issue reports, or give them suggestions!

Assetto first at all is a "game" that don't even want to compete with forza..GT or even project cars.. It just want to go on his own, and the principal feature of Assetto and what them maked "famous" are their physics, driving and FFB together with the most accurated tracks on a "game".

It's all about driving.

Sure some people will love it (like me) and others want more fun and normal like videgame.

For the rest, hive the little studio the time to improve their game.

I do play it, its pretty robust physics (though i feel there's hidden speed sensitivity at play on my wheel)
I take issue with the "more fun and normal video game " as this is the most normal video game i've ever played, its bare bones normal and tells you at every stage "YOUR PLAYING A GAME!!!".
It's so gamey in its approach and so gamey in the design choices.

 

[BrandonW77]

All I've said is that i believe Kunos saw the money in consoles and saw what SMS did and thought "Go for it", with that they clearly left a lot on the shelf, not little things but big things, the whole race end is borked and so jarring that i'm embarrassed witnessing it sat on my own so God knows how Kunos can live with releasing it like that.

Again, you act like this is something set in stone that can never be fixed, and leap to the conclusion that this means they are only doing it for a cash grab. You know the game can be patched/updated, right? AC on PC has received countless improvements and additions during its life on the PC but it started in a very basic form. Why would you expect that none of these things are going to be addressed and act like it's the end of the world because you have to sit in the pits for a couple minutes at the end of the race?

They went for the money, i get that and nothing wrong with that its business and the money and rewards in console sales is night and day to only shifting stuff to PC.
But they have to take criticisms, i'm sure they do, its just people like you that can't for ome reason?

Yes, businesses usually do things in order to make money. Not sure why that's such a surprise? But they've said all along that they know AC won't be wildly popular on console and don't expect to make a huge fortune off of it. But if they see it as an untapped sim market why not take a stab at it?

Also, I have no problems criticizing Kunos and have done so on many, many, many occasions. There's a whole list of things I can and do criticize AC for. It's your attitude and wild accusations I have a problem with, despite several of us offering you explanations for why things are the way they are and making clear that you can expect improvements you insist on throwing about the claim that this was all just a big cash grab to screw console users and the game will never be fixed, and that is demonstrably false.

You also keep banging on about how you hotlap and tinker like you and Kunos and AC all invented this
I've been doing that since ToCA 1 on PS1, heck Forza 1 started out and people were private lobbying Nordschleife and doing make shift drag races! the whole drift scene in forza was organic and created by people 'tinkering'.
There's literally LOADS of games that you can go off and do your own thing, tread your own path and any sand box driving game will be the same, arguably in fact there's a lot more to do in say PCars than AC in that respect and stupid amounts more to do in say a Forza/horizon or say a Seb Loeb Rally Evo.
Hot lapping with no way to compare your times to other people or even your own times?! lol.

Yeah, my point was that there is still fun to be had even if some things aren't quite working correctly. I don't care about comparing my times to other people or even my own times. I enjoy driving for the sake of driving and I'm sure some others do too. It doesn't always have to be a competition. I never claimed that me or Kunos invented hot lapping, stop putting words in my mouth. Clearly it's been around since the first racing game and millions of players have done it over the years. I happen to find it more enjoyable in AC than I did in GT or PCars and want to share with others the joy that can be had from driving around the Ring all night, is that so terrible?

No tyre wear or heat cycles on a 'sim' is poor

Where's your proof that there's no tire wear? Just because you can't see a little display showing it means it isn't there? Even though other console users have declared they notice tire wear you still are throwing this claim around.

One of your PC mates in another thread called it 'AC LITE' on consoles and i don't remember if you chastised him?

Brandon, have you even played the console version of AC?

Why would I chastise him? I fully agree, the current state of AC on console looks like it could be called AC Lite. I've never claimed it's in full working order. Just yesterday I said that the way setting up races and online is currently handicapped has a negative impact on a lot of the things that are enjoyable about AC. I don't understand why you continue to act like it will never be fixed or improved though. Games are now released in various states of being broken and often require several patches before everything is working right. It sucks, terribly, and sadly Kunos/595 is not immune to this trend but it's a fact of life so to declare a game a failure before it's received a single patch is short-sighted.

No, I haven't played the console version yet but it's clear that several key things are missing and that has a negative impact on the fun. I've never claimed otherwise. Quite frankly it's a bit embarrassing and totally unexpected and I feel for console players, but if they have a little patience and faith I'm sure it will turn into something that gives them a lot of enjoyment. It may take 4-6 months but it will eventually improve. It will never be much of a "game" in the traditional sense and there will always be things missing that we desire from a racing sim, but it will still have plenty of good to offer for those who enjoy such things.

Don't bother responding, you've earned the honor of being the first person I've ever added to my ignore list.

 

[dopedog]

So Brandon you admit to not playing the console version, yet you come on here to tell people that have that their opinions are wrong.... hmmm...ok then...
At least have the good grace to play the same game as me when you are telling me how i should feel about it...
If I was slagging off this game and you found out i haven't even played it you'd quite rightly call me out on it...

You can only review a game on the current version and at the very least the same version!
As these patches arise I can reevaluate, would be daft to evaluate patches that don't yet even exist would it not?

To recap, you admit you've never even played Assetto Corsa on console, which you happily also admit is in fact AC lite... your now on my ignored list too, which should make this thread pretty much redundant.

 

[Johnnypenso]

So Brandon you admit to not playing the console version, yet you come on here to tell people that have that their opinions are wrong.... hmmm...ok then...
At least have the good grace to play the same game as me when you are telling me how i should feel about it...
If I was slagging off this game and you found out i haven't even played it you'd quite rightly call me out on it...

To recap, you admit you've never even played Assetto Corsa on console, which you happily also admit is in fact AC lite... your now on my ignored list too, which should make this thread pretty much redundant.

To recap, you have your own agenda and if someone doesn't agree with you that Kunos is making a deliberate attempt to bend console users over, in spite of tons of evidence to the contrary, you'll block them so you no longer have to discuss anything and can continue making unprovable accusations about Kunos's motives.

 

[BrandonW77]

To recap, you have your own agenda and if someone doesn't agree with you that Kunos is making a deliberate attempt to bend console users over, in spite of tons of evidence to the contrary, you'll block them so you no longer have to discuss anything and can continue making unprovable accusations about Kunos's motives.

Apparently he also thinks that criticizing his attitude is the same as disagreeing with his opinion.

 

[HammyMansell]

Guys guys guys, let's all try and get on, as in the end we all want the same thing with the console version, that is, a product with improvements made to it over time, with many more things added, to bring it up to the current level of the PC version.

Did i ever tell you guys i am a member of the UN?

 

[bleeder]

Well I've been having some blinding races in the Audi R8 road car the last couple of days. Don't know if my tune is anything like how it handles in real life, but damn, it's fun in the game. TC off for some sweet slide action. Real good stuff.

 

[dopedog]

Guys guys guys, let's all try and get on, as in the end we all want the same thing with the console version, that is, a product with improvements made to it over time, with many more things added, to bring it up to the current level of the PC version.

Did i ever tell you guys i am a member of the UN?

Indeed, the console version isn't up to the level of the PC version. Which is what I've been saying. Now whether you think its because Kunos are not very good at working on consoles or just didn't put so much effort or pride into the consoles is just opinion, cross off as applicable.
Me the jury is out but i'm leaning more towards the latter, certainly for me shows a lack of pride when you see the end of race sequence.

 

[RoccoTTS]

Indeed, the console version isn't up to the level of the PC version. Which is what I've been saying. Now whether you think its because Kunos are not very good at working on consoles or just didn't put so much effort or pride into the consoles is just opinion, cross off as applicable.
Me the jury is out but i'm leaning more towards the latter, certainly for me shows a lack of pride when you see the end of race sequence.

You maybe do have a point, but you're going round in circles, you're posting the same thing over and over again.
Maybe it's better to give it a rest and move on

 

[Nielsen]

Indeed, the console version isn't up to the level of the PC version. Which is what I've been saying.

That's what everyone says.

Now whether you think its because Kunos are not very good at working on consoles or just didn't put so much effort or pride into the consoles is just opinion, cross off as applicable.

Assumptions, not opinion. There's a difference and your failure to realize this is what started and possibly still fuels the argument.

 

[Whitestar]

Indeed, the console version isn't up to the level of the PC version. Which is what I've been saying.

It isn't. Nobody is disagreeing with you. And yes, you've been saying it a lot.

 

[dopedog]

You maybe do have a point, but you're going round in circles, you're posting the same thing over and over again.
Maybe it's better to give it a rest and move on

I know, I'll move on, your quite correct. I do hope over the next few months they can sort this game out.

 

[HammyMansell]

Indeed, the console version isn't up to the level of the PC version. Which is what I've been saying. Now whether you think its because Kunos are not very good at working on consoles or just didn't put so much effort or pride into the consoles is just opinion, cross off as applicable.
Me the jury is out but i'm leaning more towards the latter, certainly for me shows a lack of pride when you see the end of race sequence.

I think Kunos underestimated the amount of work they had to do in the end in terms of getting the FFB, the physics, and other things working as well as on the PC, hence the 2 release delays from 7 months ago. I think they got bogged down with perfecting the FFB and physics, that time got away from them in order to polish the graphics, adding more to the HUD, the configuration of controllers, a better online lobby system for public and private lobbies, telemetry, and various other stuff before the 26th of August arrived. They were caught napping. To me it's still too "early days" to say they don't care, give them time to prove themselves first, we have a patch, a free car, and a new track coming in a few days......Let's see, the patience may pay off.

 

[lancia delta hf]

sorry but this is rambling incomprehensible garbage you have written, i dont respond to your type :-)

Great counter argument to proving me wrong in a reply to you calling people fanboys which showed that your comprehension is quite low. You essentially called people fanboys because they had issue with poster calling Kunos swindlers with no evidence. Tell me the humongous number of tracks GTsport will have again? Whenever it comes out. This doesn't mean AC doesn't need more tracks, but you act like kunos can just click their fingers or ring sony up and ask for a bucket load of cash to create a new track and act as if gt will have tons of tracks when it doesn't ha many more than AC, maybe even the same amount when it releases. Anyway don't mind me, continue to beat the dead horse, that makes tracks appear much quicker if you keep repeating it. Throw in a fanboy for a bonus track.

All I've said is that i believe Kunos saw the money in consoles and saw what SMS did and thought "Go for it",

You say people are trying to tell you how you should feel about the game, which people are doing nothing of the sort. It's posts like thd quoted which people are calling you out on and saying they are basically just milking console players but as I've said, mif it's true then AC will remain in its current state. Now as for kunos seeing what SMS did, well kunos had PS4 dev kits well before Pcars came out, I believe they had them when the ps4 was released. So that surely debunks your theory that they just released it on ps4 on whim because sms released pcars? Yes I think it does.

 

[BrandonW77]

I think Kunos underestimated the amount of work they had to do in the end in terms of getting the FFB, the physics, and other things working as well as on the PC, hence the 2 release delays from 7 months ago. I think they got bogged down with perfecting the FFB and physics, that time got away from them in order to polish the graphics, adding more to the HUD, the configuration of controllers, a better online lobby system for public and private lobbies, telemetry, and various other stuff before the 26th of August arrived. They were caught napping. To me it's still too "early days" to say they don't care, give them time to prove themselves first, we have a patch, a free car, and a new track coming in a few days......Let's see, the patience may pay off.

I'd wager that's a pretty accurate assessment and much more likely than presuming they're just lazy thieves. 👍

 

[dopedog]

Great counter argument to proving me wrong in a reply to you calling people fanboys which showed that your comprehension is quite low. You essentially called people fanboys because they had issue with poster calling Kunos swindlers with no evidence. Tell me the humongous number of tracks GTsport will have again? Whenever it comes out. This doesn't mean AC doesn't need more tracks, but you act like kunos can just click their fingers or ring sony up and ask for a bucket load of cash to create a new track and act as if gt will have tons of tracks when it doesn't ha many more than AC, maybe even the same amount when it releases. Anyway don't mind me, continue to beat the dead horse, that makes tracks appear much quicker if you keep repeating it. Throw in a fanboy for a bonus track.

You say people are trying to tell you how you should feel about the game, which people are doing nothing of the sort. It's posts like thd quoted which people are calling you out on and saying they are basically just milking console players but as I've said, mif it's true then AC will remain in its current state. Now as for kunos seeing what SMS did, well kunos had PS4 dev kits well before Pcars came out, I believe they had them when the ps4 was released. So that surely debunks your theory that they just released it on ps4 on whim because sms released pcars? Yes I think it does.

Well I just find I want more than just to hot lap, and the notion that somehow wanting more than hot lapping some cars makes you a demanding console 'gamer' is tiresome.
Racing is just about passable with AI and occasionally I've enjoyed it but mostly its a very stale dull AI stuck on a line. The races lack any feel of 'being there' it smacks you around the head at narly every point and shouts in your ear "YOUR PLAYING A GAME", some games make me feel like i'm there in the moment, DiRT, PCars do this, AC so far never feels like i can totally be immersed in it's world.
Even SLRE can do this and that's mega ugly.
However silly it sounds written down, i want to pretend i'm really driving and racing, but AC seems intent on disturbing that at every chance.
Why is there no way to remove the HUD via button?
Why can it not tell me my tyres wear and heat?
Why can't I remove the nasty lights at the start and sue the track ones like PCars?

People are telling me how i should feel about the game, well one person is and he has never played AC on console!
Like i say i'll judge it now as it is, then as the patches come i'll judge it then.
The driving feel is good but in some cases it feels a little dumbed down, like there's masking forces at work on the wheel, certainly speed sensitivity seems present.
Would be nice to have descent wheel calibration and set up screens...but no, we didn't get that either...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well I just find I want more than just to hot lap, and the notion that somehow wanting more than hot lapping some cars makes you a demanding console 'gamer' is tiresome.
Racing is just about passable with AI and occasionally I've enjoyed it but mostly its a very stale dull AI stuck on a line. The races lack any feel of 'being there' it smacks you around the head at narly every point and shouts in your ear "YOUR PLAYING A GAME", some games make me feel like i'm there in the moment, DiRT, PCars do this, AC so far never feels like i can totally be immersed in it's world.
Even SLRE can do this and that's mega ugly.
However silly it sounds written down, i want to pretend i'm really driving and racing, but AC seems intent on disturbing that at every chance.
Why is there no way to remove the HUD via button?
Why can it not tell me my tyres wear and heat?
Why can't I remove the nasty lights at the start and sue the track ones like PCars?

People are telling me how i should feel about the game, well one person is and he has never played AC on console!
Like i say i'll judge it now as it is, then as the patches come i'll judge it then.
The driving feel is good but in some cases it feels a little dumbed down, like there's masking forces at work on the wheel, certainly speed sensitivity seems present.
Would be nice to have descent wheel calibration and set up screens...but no, we didn't get that either...

I'd like a source on people here calling you a demanding console gamer so repeatedly it's tiresome. And while you're at it, a source on people telling you how you should feel. The game has issues we all agree, on console and pc. Those issues are more important to some than others. Most of your "discussion" involves ignoring that consensus through made up rants flailing away at imaginary boogeyman and enveloping yourself in some virtual martyrdom.

 

[BrandonW77]

I'd like a source on people here calling you a demanding console gamer so repeatedly it's tiresome.

So far as I've seen he's the only one making that claim because he thinks that if a feature is missing it means Kunos has determined that console players aren't worthy of such a feature.

 

[Spitfire77]

I do not understand why people are calling this game a hot lap simulator. Even with the lower number of people online in the mornings.. I am racing against other people very often online and it works really well.

This morning it was only a three person race with the GT2 class @ Spa and we all picked the Ferrari.
Clean start, leader took off and I tucked in behind him in second - we both had SS tires ( I am assuming )
Other player fell behind (guessing he had S tires or was trying to save his SS tires)

It stayed this way but I was on the leader he was faster in some sections I was faster in others..until about lap 5 our SS started to loose grip.. we likely pushed them too hard. He spun I took over first.

I was cruising then decided I wanted to push the last 2 laps so I came into the pits for fresh rubber (the pit stop system I really love btw).. The driver who was in third went by as I left the pits! I got a bit excited and on cold tires was making small mistakes.. he was just driving smooth and clean but I was catching him fast..

Last chicane I hit the brakes too early and ended up on his bumper over the line..

Great stuff!

 

[RoccoTTS]

Today i was driving the Nordschleife with an Alfa 4C. I did it with the dash cam and full HUD, like i always do. I caught myself looking constantly at the track map to see witch corner was next. I thought by myself why not drive without the HUD ? So i turned the HUD completely off and tried it again.
WOW, now that's the way you should drive a sim ! Unbelievable, way more fun and immersive !!!
And i was really surprised how good i remembered witch corner was next on the Nordschleife.

 

[BrandonW77]

Today i was driving the Nordschleife with an Alfa 4C. I did it with the dash cam and full HUD, like i always do. I caught myself looking constantly at the track map to see witch corner was next. I thought by myself why not drive without the HUD ? So i turned the HUD completely off and tried it again.
WOW, now that's the way you should drive a sim ! Unbelievable, way more fun and immersive !!!
And i was really surprised how good i remembered witch corner was next on the Nordschleife.

Totally! Whenever I'm driving just for fun and don't care about times I turn all the apps off to have an uncluttered, natural view. Too bad you guys can't use a mobile phone/tablet for a digital HUD.

 

[RoccoTTS]

Does anybody know how to disable the ghost(fastest lap) on console ?

 

[Biggles]

Well I just find I want more than just to hot lap, and the notion that somehow wanting more than hot lapping some cars makes you a demanding console 'gamer' is tiresome.
Racing is just about passable with AI and occasionally I've enjoyed it but mostly its a very stale dull AI stuck on a line. The races lack any feel of 'being there' it smacks you around the head at narly every point and shouts in your ear "YOUR PLAYING A GAME", some games make me feel like i'm there in the moment, DiRT, PCars do this, AC so far never feels like i can totally be immersed in it's world.
Even SLRE can do this and that's mega ugly.
However silly it sounds written down, i want to pretend i'm really driving and racing, but AC seems intent on disturbing that at every chance.
Why is there no way to remove the HUD via button?
Why can it not tell me my tyres wear and heat?
Why can't I remove the nasty lights at the start and sue the track ones like PCars?

People are telling me how i should feel about the game, well one person is and he has never played AC on console!
Like i say i'll judge it now as it is, then as the patches come i'll judge it then.
The driving feel is good but in some cases it feels a little dumbed down, like there's masking forces at work on the wheel, certainly speed sensitivity seems present.
Would be nice to have descent wheel calibration and set up screens...but no, we didn't get that either...

Geeez ... you're like a dog with a bone - you just won't let go!

Kunos is a small developer putting out a niche product. I doubt they have ever had fantasies about making vast sums of money & have probably struggled with the challenge of bringing AC to completion on PC, let alone for the PS4 & XBone.

I, for one, am very grateful that Kunos decided to port AC to console as it provides a superior sim product to the other options currently available. Yes, it's lacking in many areas, incomplete in others & malfunctioning in still others. However, the core driving experience is excellent &, in my experience so far, racing against the AI is much better than it is in GT6 or PCars.

True, AC lacks weather effects, TOD, spectators in the stands waving banners around & trackside fireworks & BBQs. All those fancy add-ons that help create the feel of "being there" would require (presumably) additional months - years of programming man hours, just look at the progress of GT!

The feeling of "being there" may not be there in AC like it is in PCars, but the feeling of actually "driving there" is superior.

 

[Spitfire77]

Totally! Whenever I'm driving just for fun and don't care about times I turn all the apps off to have an uncluttered, natural view. Too bad you guys can't use a mobile phone/tablet for a digital HUD.

pCARS added that feature for ps4 as well as the ability to use keyboards (buttonboxes) - I have to admit it was pretty cool. I found myself losing interest in all the bells and whistles though and I would not even bother setting them up on my fold away rig. (I have a wheel stand and chair I have to get out and pack away each time in my current living situation). As long as I could see the basics on screen (rpm or shift light, gear selection) I was happy. Tire wear is more of a feel thing for me.

Would be nice if Kunos added that stuff as well, but I am hoping their focus is on things of higher priority. Seems to me it is. I could really use that seat position control and more FOV adjustment lower than 50%, not to mention the custom button mapping, before I will have any interest in mobile device apps.

 

[FPV MIC]

I do not understand why people are calling this game a hot lap simulator. Even with the lower number of people online in the mornings.. I am racing against other people very often online and it works really well.

If you lived in Australia, as I do, you might understand why. I hardly ever see anyone at all online except 4 or 5 drifters.

Not that I'm complaining, because this game is very good (and great fun) for hot lapping and I just play the game that suits what I feel like at the time, lately this has been AC and hot lapping. Yes there is more to this game than that, but to me, this is where AC excels so that is what I use it for. If I feel like being a goose I'll play The Crew. For online I have PCars & GT6, or for arcade style racing there's Driveclub, and then Dirt Rally for, well, rallying.

I'm glad I bought this game as it fits in very well with my others and I was under no illusion of what I was purchasing and hopefully soon I'll get to race others online as well.

 

[Spitfire77]

If you lived in Australia, as I do, you might understand why. I hardly ever see anyone at all online except 4 or 5 drifters.

Not that I'm complaining, because this game is very good (and great fun) for hot lapping and I just play the game that suits what I feel like at the time, lately this has been AC and hot lapping. Yes there is more to this game than that, but to me, this is where AC excels so that is what I use it for. If I feel like being a goose I'll play The Crew. For online I have PCars & GT6, or for arcade style racing there's Driveclub, and then Dirt Rally for, well, rallying.

I'm glad I bought this game as it fits in very well with my others and I was under no illusion of what I was purchasing and hopefully soon I'll get to race others online as well.

I see that a lot also, but I found if I join a room with a popular car class (GT2 or GT3) that the qualifying has a lot of time left.. others will join. - I really want to race other cars but people tend to not want to race them often.

The idea is even if the servers are empty and you are just going to hotlap and drive. .. join one and see if more follow. I am all for being honest but I want people to know there is AWESOME online racing there to be had.

But yeah I get it.. there are not tons of rooms with 5+ people in them except the drifters.

 

[mister dog]

Did i ever tell you guys i am a member of the UN?

So no one takes you seriously anymore?

 

[HammyMansell]

So no one takes you seriously anymore?

Sure, although when the missiles show up, wow.......!

 

[dopedog]

Today i was driving the Nordschleife with an Alfa 4C. I did it with the dash cam and full HUD, like i always do. I caught myself looking constantly at the track map to see witch corner was next. I thought by myself why not drive without the HUD ? So i turned the HUD completely off and tried it again.
WOW, now that's the way you should drive a sim ! Unbelievable, way more fun and immersive !!!
And i was really surprised how good i remembered witch corner was next on the Nordschleife.

Geeez ... you're like a dog with a bone - you just won't let go!

Kunos is a small developer putting out a niche product. I doubt they have ever had fantasies about making vast sums of money & have probably struggled with the challenge of bringing AC to completion on PC, let alone for the PS4 & XBone.

I, for one, am very grateful that Kunos decided to port AC to console as it provides a superior sim product to the other options currently available. Yes, it's lacking in many areas, incomplete in others & malfunctioning in still others. However, the core driving experience is excellent &, in my experience so far, racing against the AI is much better than it is in GT6 or PCars.

True, AC lacks weather effects, TOD, spectators in the stands waving banners around & trackside fireworks & BBQs. All those fancy add-ons that help create the feel of "being there" would require (presumably) additional months - years of programming man hours, just look at the progress of GT!

The feeling of "being there" may not be there in AC like it is in PCars, but the feeling of actually "driving there" is superior.

The feeling of being there isn't track side banners, heck AC has actually got a shrine to Senna at Imola, which is a beautiful touch (PCars doesn't).
It has very jarring design choices which can jolt you back at times.
How niche exactly is a game that apes Forza and GT? They are behemoths! Lol.

 

[Scheer]

Today i was driving the Nordschleife with an Alfa 4C. I did it with the dash cam and full HUD, like i always do. I caught myself looking constantly at the track map to see witch corner was next. I thought by myself why not drive without the HUD ? So i turned the HUD completely off and tried it again.
WOW, now that's the way you should drive a sim ! Unbelievable, way more fun and immersive !!!
And i was really surprised how good i remembered witch corner was next on the Nordschleife.

Yep, the track map is nothing but a distraction, and once you turn it off it forces you to learn a track the proper way using landmarks and features. I ditched the HUD in GT6, pCARS and DR and It upped my enjoyment immensely (DR's course note arrows were especially distracting). Just wish I could lose the stupid 'other car' arrows in AC and as dopedog says the race-start lights. pCARS does a better job on the visual immersion side but I'm loving the feel of AC.