Assetto corsa coming to PS4 and Xbox one

[35mm]

I wonder if this waiting is caused by Kunos preparing a Super Patch for console and not just fixing bugs etc. We could be getting a substantial update which may greatly close the gap with PC by bringing Showroom and the various physics and tyre updates.

This has crossed my mind and it's what I'm hoping as well.

At this point, I just want their guarantee that one day the console version will be up to date with the PC. I don't care when anymore.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't find it hard to believe that some people, or even the majority of people, never touch online. What I find hard to believe is their claim that less than a quarter of users have ever even clicked on the online tab, let alone actually raced online. This was the common excuse they gave out for not fleshing out the online functions more. But a user on the AC forums recently developed a little program that tracked game play useage through Steam and his stats suggested the number of players who go online is closer to the 35-40% range which seems more like what I would expect.

I played online in GT5 and GT6..a lot. At it's peak, in 2010 and 2011, GT averaged 200-300 lobbies per night on a weeknight, EST, by my manual counts. Many had one or two people in them, some were full. Even at an average of 10 per lobby that's only 2000-3000 online at any one time out of an install base of 10million. In GT6 the numbers were far lower. Many nights there were less than 100 lobbies online, before the advent of Quick Match and it's massively higher payouts. I don't find it hard to believe the numbers that Kunos gives for online participation.

 

[ALB123]

Whenever I went online in GT6 (unless I was intentionally meeting people for a pre-planned session), I would usually have to go through 6 or 7 rooms where it had a description of something interesting, but as soon as you get on the track, people just start smashing into you and laughing on their game mics. Or some idiot(s) would be flying around the track in reverse running people off the road. After dealing with that all the time I stopped going online.

 

[dolande]

I don't find it hard to believe that some people, or even the majority of people, never touch online. What I find hard to believe is their claim that less than a quarter of users have ever even clicked on the online tab, let alone actually raced online. This was the common excuse they gave out for not fleshing out the online functions more. But a user on the AC forums recently developed a little program that tracked game play useage through Steam and his stats suggested the number of players who go online is closer to the 35-40% range which seems more like what I would expect.

I have pcars since December 2015, but no psn account so no need to click online mode

 

[Orayani]

The Red Pack will be amazing fun once it shows up but I feel we will have all Porsche Packs before we have that. I really hope to be wrong though.

I'm still looking forward to the Red Pack but for some reason the Porsche pack has really edged it out big time for me. Still want it all mind but I've never driven Porsche's in these type of games.

Whenever I went online in GT6 (unless I was intentionally meeting people for a pre-planned session), I would usually have to go through 6 or 7 rooms where it had a description of something interesting, but as soon as you get on the track, people just start smashing into you and laughing on their game mics. Or some idiot(s) would be flying around the track in reverse running people off the road. After dealing with that all the time I stopped going online.

Yep, I rarely tried Gran Turismo online for exactly this. Some would slow right down to then ram you off track soon as you speed up.

 

[killerjimbag]

This is a post from console section of AC forum which sums up quite well about console situation, the thread has been locked soon after this was posted :

"mister dog, you seem reasonable in your replies so maybe you are willing to actually listen to views from the console side of this game.

Your opinions are based on the pc version which deserves all the critical acclaim it has received no questioning that. Have you actually played the console version to make a comparison? Other than the handling model which by and large remains in place the current console version is an empty Beta version of AC when compared with the latest pc version.

The main reasons people feel aggrieved are:

- AC was sold as a fully featured finished game on console at AAA prices. In reality it was an early pc beta version ported to console - complete with the same early bugs.

- Fully customisable multiplayer was and remains an advertised feature of the game. Console users have no access to any multiplayer customisation.

- It has taken months to make even the most basic game updates. When the dev team knew how much more difficult updates on console were why did they not make sure the game was as good as it could be from the start? At least matching the latest pc version, this remains unanswered. Unfortunately the timing of the release makes the console version look like nothing more than a cash grab to pay for the Porsche license. How far 'down the line' should people on console be expected to wait? This isn't a beta, early access or preview game it is a full release.

- The decision to push DLC while the game remains without advertised features and game breaking bugs makes the intention of the company look bad.

- Framerate issues, while improved, remain in some circumstances, this is game breaking for a sim and the hot lapping etc that you suggest.

- There are numerous other game breaking bugs such as game saves and progress being deleted, inability to save setups, setups not 'holding' in hot lapping or race conditions. I could list over 40 significant bugs in the latest build but am no longer willing to help due to the nonsense from the one eyed pc fan club in response.

- The silence, inconsistent and general lack of any tangible answer from the devs makes the situation far worse. The pc version had 3 updates within hours of the latest version release, console users have to wait weeks for very little. On similar games the console updates are usually a day or 2 behind if that.

Some people feel ripped off and their criticisms are valid. The publisher isn't arguing with any of these points but on this fan site pc only users shoot down any possible criticism.

Time to take off the rose tinted specs and look at the reality that the pc version and current console version of this game have little in common and comments based only on experience of the pc version really don't help all that much."

I also read that one member ( user name something to do with pumpkin ) said that AC console is version 1.3 or 1.4, anyone have any idea how long would it take for console to be the same version as PC ? Considering how long it took from 1.3 to 1.9x as of this post for PC, and the slower console updates, maybe close to 1 year ?

Perhaps you can give us your thoughts on the game Ridox. Care to elaborate?

 

[dolande]

Thorough analysis by somebody who doesn't own the game.....

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Perhaps you can give us your thoughts on the game Ridox. Care to elaborate?

No, I don't have the game, but looking at the situation from reading various console thread on official AC forum, I'd rather wait now until the console version is the same as PC.

Thorough analysis for somebody who doesn't own the game.....

Expected such response, here's the original post : http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/ripped-off.38756/page-2#post-782233

 

[killerjimbag]

No, I don't have the game, but looking at the situation from reading various console thread on official AC forum, I'd rather wait now until the console version is the same

Expected such response, here's the original post : http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/ripped-off.38756/page-2#post-782233

I could understand your posts if you owned the game or even the system to play it on.
Stoking the fire,complaining, or adding negative posts, does nothing to make the game better, or address it's issues here.I'm sure every person that owns the console version wants it to get better.

 

[xeronima]

And I'm gonna step in as the naive light hearted optimist by stating that i enjoy the game on a ps4. Yes it could be better. BuThe so could my job, my car, my apartment and my sound system. The game does bring me pleasure. My job gives me a salary i can live on. I actually enjoy my car. Nothing missing in the apartment and the regular Sony 5.1 is enough that I enjoy a good movie.

End of day I try in my naive way to enjoy life while it happens.

 

[HammyMansell]

Nothing missing in the apartment and the regular Sony 5.1 is enough that I enjoy a good movie.

End of day I try in my naive way to enjoy life while it happens.

My Sony is 7.1 ................................

 

[Orayani]

My Sony is 7.1 ................................

You probably want Atmos...

 

[SlimCharles]

From the console lounge on AC forum: "
<someone> said:
Afternoon cm505, what causes most of the arguments on here is the sheer lack of information on the hot topics, when is the console going to be running on the latest pc version, we don't even know if were going to get private lobbies or not. The game has now been out 10 weeks on console, we have had 1 update which has made it better, on the other hand the pc version has had major updates, lots of minor updates to a game that was already streets ahead of the console version, this is what is causing all the frustration in my opinion. You get the console users posting negative things being slapped down by pc users who have the all singing all dancing version, what these forums need is more information of kunos on these hot topics.

<AC mod> said:
"We totally respect that... But please remember that with regards to some of the hot topics, if we don't have any major updates to share, we can't tell you anything more than we are doing already. The team are working flat out behind the scenes, be rest assured, and as soon as we can give you more info on what's going on behind the scenes, we will let you know!"

So reporting back that they are working and currently don't have any new info is still feedback. Not exactly silence.

Btw this was from a thread about community behaviour, started by a mod to remind people to behave. It soon got locked because...wait for it...people could not behave. Seriously though, some of those PC users in there should be banned IMO, because they seem to stalk the console section looking to start arguments. What a mess.

"we have had 1 update which has made it better, on the other hand the pc version has had major updates,"

False and mid true. We have had 2 patches (release one and september) and PC version has had the same number of updates in that time.

This is a post from console section of AC forum which sums up quite well about console situation, the thread has been locked soon after this was posted :

"mister dog, you seem reasonable in your replies so maybe you are willing to actually listen to views from the console side of this game.

Your opinions are based on the pc version which deserves all the critical acclaim it has received no questioning that. Have you actually played the console version to make a comparison? Other than the handling model which by and large remains in place the current console version is an empty Beta version of AC when compared with the latest pc version.

The main reasons people feel aggrieved are:

- AC was sold as a fully featured finished game on console at AAA prices. In reality it was an early pc beta version ported to console - complete with the same early bugs.

- Fully customisable multiplayer was and remains an advertised feature of the game. Console users have no access to any multiplayer customisation.

- It has taken months to make even the most basic game updates. When the dev team knew how much more difficult updates on console were why did they not make sure the game was as good as it could be from the start? At least matching the latest pc version, this remains unanswered. Unfortunately the timing of the release makes the console version look like nothing more than a cash grab to pay for the Porsche license. How far 'down the line' should people on console be expected to wait? This isn't a beta, early access or preview game it is a full release.

- The decision to push DLC while the game remains without advertised features and game breaking bugs makes the intention of the company look bad.

- Framerate issues, while improved, remain in some circumstances, this is game breaking for a sim and the hot lapping etc that you suggest.

- There are numerous other game breaking bugs such as game saves and progress being deleted, inability to save setups, setups not 'holding' in hot lapping or race conditions. I could list over 40 significant bugs in the latest build but am no longer willing to help due to the nonsense from the one eyed pc fan club in response.

- The silence, inconsistent and general lack of any tangible answer from the devs makes the situation far worse. The pc version had 3 updates within hours of the latest version release, console users have to wait weeks for very little. On similar games the console updates are usually a day or 2 behind if that.

Some people feel ripped off and their criticisms are valid. The publisher isn't arguing with any of these points but on this fan site pc only users shoot down any possible criticism.

Time to take off the rose tinted specs and look at the reality that the pc version and current console version of this game have little in common and comments based only on experience of the pc version really don't help all that much."

I also read that one member ( user name something to do with pumpkin ) said that AC console is version 1.3 or 1.4, anyone have any idea how long would it take for console to be the same version as PC ? Considering how long it took from 1.3 to 1.9x as of this post for PC, and the slower console updates, maybe close to 1 year ?

Stopped reading when "AC was sold as a fully featured finished game on console at AAA prices"

I wonder if this waiting is caused by Kunos preparing a Super Patch for console and not just fixing bugs etc. We could be getting a substantial update which may greatly close the gap with PC by bringing Showroom and the various physics and tyre updates.

At this rate it would be nice to get the Porsche Pack II content so it may launch with the PC version on 22 Nov.

I think Marco said couple of week ago that the patch was already in MSSony hands.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Stopped reading when "AC was sold as a fully featured finished game on console at AAA prices"

Why did you stop ? Fully featured finished game or the AAA prices ?
The game needs major updates to get inline with PC counterpart, IMO, it's a lackluster port when released as it was far behind in comparison to PC build.
For pricing, it's not cut and dry, one can say it's cheap in their region/country, but not all places have similar pricing.
Depends on the region really, in Asia, the AC on PS4 sold for around US $50 to 60+ ( HK and JP for example are in higher price range ) and in certain countries the only way to get the game is via importing. In HK ( Hong Kong ), AC was released with HK $ 399 SRP ( but shops sells more than this usually ), Digital HK $ 398, just a little lower than AAA titles which usually around HK $ 420-440+, budget titles usually less than HK $ 300 which IMO should be the release price for AC if it's not AAA titles. Some PSN title can be less than HK $150. In Australia it costs in AUD $ 90-100+.

If I wanted to buy AC PS4 now from local retail, I would have to pay the same price as PS3 MGS V TPP Day One Edition that I bought back in release day ( US $ 55+ ) due to importing.
Just for perspective, MGS V Phantom Pain ( AAA title ) was released on HK PSN for HK $ 428 on PS4. That's about HK $ 29 difference, or around US $ 4

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Just for perspective, MGS V Phantom Pain ( AAA title ) was released on HK PSN for HK $ 428 on PS4. That's about HK $ 29 difference, or around US $ 4

And which one of those two provides hundreds of hours of enjoyment and saves us $1000's on car rentals and track day passes?

 

[Orayani]

And which one of those two provides hundreds of hours of enjoyment and saves us $1000's on car rentals and track day passes?

Insurance goes right out the window as well right?

 

[Mike_grpA]

And which one of those two provides hundreds of hours of enjoyment and saves us $1000's on car rentals and track day passes?

MGS5 gave me roughly a dozen hours of disappointment, and reinforcement of my hatred for Konami, does that count?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

And which one of those two provides hundreds of hours of enjoyment and saves us $1000's on car rentals and track day passes?

They are games, entertainment values are subjective. I would not consider games to be replacement of real track days. Expectations also varies from one person to another and for car games like AC, Pcars which claimed to be great sim, I expected much more and I tend to be very attentive to little details or mistakes or bugs ( just example ). There's a specific reason I opened replica garage in GT6, it's a sort of my way to show my protest to PD, if they indeed lurk here in GTP.

MGS5 gave me roughly a dozen hours of disappointment, and reinforcement of my hatred for Konami, does that count?

A good example, I had great time playing MGS V ( both GZ and TPP ), with over 300 hours on both games.

 

[Johnnypenso]

They are games, entertainment values are subjective. I would not consider games to be replacement of real track days. Expectations also varies from one person to another and for car games like AC, Pcars which claimed to be great sim, I expected much more and I tend to be very attentive to little details or mistakes or bugs ( just example ). There's a specific reason I opened replica garage in GT6, it's a sort of my way to show my protest to PD, if they indeed lurk here in GTP.



A good example, I had great time playing MGS V ( both GZ and TPP ), with over 300 hours on both games.

You mean the PCars you played at your friend's house for a couple of hours one day before he got pissed off and tossed it into the garbage? Wasn't that the story?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

You mean the PCars you played at your friend's house for a couple of hours one day before he got pissed off and tossed it into the garbage? Wasn't that the story?

Yeah, what about it ? I made contributions to the physics lead in that short amount of play time, fixing errors on some of the cars, and people seems do not like what I did back then.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, what about it ?

Just want it to be clear in case anyone is reading and thought that you gave PCars a thorough run through over many days and nights and dozens and dozens of hours to be able to make your "informed" observations about the game vs. the couple of hours you actually spent with it. And zero hours on AC too right? Or did you play a demo at the game store?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Just want it to be clear in case anyone is reading and thought that you gave PCars a thorough run through over many days and nights and dozens and dozens of hours to be able to make your "informed" observations about the game vs. the couple of hours you actually spent with it. And zero hours on AC too right? Or did you play a demo at the game store?

Read my edit above, in that about 6 hours, at least I gave little contributions to the physics lead, and my short time is caused by the stupid crashing that caused my mate to get rid of the game. That's my observation and I do have some others who gave their feedback on the physics and setups I made at Pcars Database. If I ever get AC on PS4, be sure that my thorough "observation" would be much more, and I can guess people like you, jimbag, brandon, and others who love AC would hound me I don't sugar coat my words or have any emotional attachment.

Right now, I have enough information on AC, from physics at least ( from various sources, including members here who have the game and give feedback )

 

[ALB123]

They are games, entertainment values are subjective. I would not consider games to be replacement of real track days. Expectations also varies from one person to another and for car games like AC, Pcars which claimed to be great sim, I expected much more and I tend to be very attentive to little details or mistakes or bugs ( just example ). There's a specific reason I opened replica garage in GT6, it's a sort of my way to show my protest to PD, if they indeed lurk here in GTP.

How many thousands of hours do you think you've put into GT6? I contend that even in its current state on console, it's a much, much, much better driving game than GT6. Now, that's just my opinion. I'm guessing that your opinion is that GT6 has better physics and a more realistic driving experience than Assetto Corsa. Is that true? Is that your opinion?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

How many thousands of hours do you think you've put into GT6? I contend that even in its current state on console, it's a much, much, much better driving game than GT6. Now, that's just my opinion. I'm guessing that your opinion is that GT6 has better physics and a more realistic driving experience than Assetto Corsa. Is that true? Is that your opinion?

Over a thousand last time I checked. What makes you think GT6 is better than AC ? I opened replica garage for the exact reason that GT6 is lacking in many aspect in regards to physics, the most glaring is stock setup, car data and tire model. I had hoped that when the garage becomes known, it will make PD take notice and fix all the cars + physics. You know this well since you followed a lot of my work in GT6. I happen to have the game ( GT6 ), if I have Pcars and AC, be sure that I will do the same thing, I won't treat them differently. Financial circumstance prevented me from getting PS4 and those games right now.

I haven't actually played AC, but I have many information gathered like from Legend-1 in his comparison of AC to LFS, and LFS is a game that I have played for more than 10 years, so I can get rough idea of how AC physics is ( I'm not newcomer in PC sims ). Other member also have given me impression on the physics side like caster effect, SAT, LSD, etc. Different source also give me infos on physics rate, input rate, turbo simulation of AC. What I can say is I think I'm likely won't be easily impressed playing AC like you did as I won't have FFB wheel, but I will focus on the physics, car data and behavior ( tire, LSD, suspension, turbo, toe/camber/caster, that sort of stuff )

 

[killerjimbag]

Over a thousand last time I checked. What makes you think GT6 is better than AC ? I opened replica garage for the exact reason that GT6 is lacking in many aspect in regards to physics, the most glaring is stock setup, car data and tire model. I had hoped that when the garage becomes known, it will make PD take notice and fix all the cars + physics. You know this well since you followed a lot of my work in GT6. I happen to have the game ( GT6 ), if I have Pcars and AC, be sure that I will do the same thing, I won't treat them differently. Financial circumstance prevented me from getting PS4 and those games right now.

I haven't actually played AC, but I have many information gathered like from Legend-1 in his comparison of AC to LFS, and LFS is a game that I have played for more than 10 years, so I can get rough idea of how AC physics is ( I'm not newcomer in PC sims ). Other member also have given me impression on the physics side like caster effect, SAT, LSD, etc. Different source also give me infos on physics rate, input rate, turbo simulation of AC. What I can say is I think I'm likely won't be easily impressed playing AC like you did as I won't have FFB wheel, but I will focus on the physics, car data and behavior ( tire, LSD, suspension, turbo, toe/camber/caster, that sort of stuff )

Please, GT6 is not even close. You can't get exact replicas because it doesn't work properly. You just said it in your first 2 sentences.Yeah PD is going to look at your garage and fix it's game. People have passed on info about AC, who the idiot at Pretend Racecars?Just for fun You linked his article didn't you. So let me understand this. You played PCARS for 6 hours in a glitched bugfest state and past on your knowledge to the physics guy.
Yeah I drove my friends Porche last weekend before he put it away. Their calling me tomorrow to help tweak the suspension.

 

[ALB123]

Over a thousand last time I checked. What makes you think GT6 is better than AC ? I opened replica garage for the exact reason that GT6 is lacking in many aspect in regards to physics, the most glaring is stock setup, car data and tire model. You know this well since you followed a lot of my work in GT6. I happen to have the game ( GT6 ), if I have Pcars and AC, be sure that I will do the same thing, I won't treat them differently. Financial circumstance prevented me from getting PS4 and those games right now.

I haven't actually played AC, but I have many information gathered like from Legend-1 in his comparison of AC to LFS, and LFS is a game that I have played for more than 10 years, so I can get rough idea of how AC physics is ( I'm not newcomer in PC sims ). Other member also have given me impression on the physics side like caster effect, SAT, LSD, etc. Different source also give me infos on physics rate, input rate, turbo simulation of AC. What I can say is I think I'm likely won't be easily impressed playing AC like you did as I won't have FFB wheel, but I will focus on the physics, car data and behavior ( tire, LSD, suspension, turbo, toe/camber/caster, that sort of stuff )

Oh, I never said GT6 was better than AC. I'm just wondering why someone would put so much effort into GT6, tweaking cars, testing them, tweaking again and again, but then hang out in the Assetto Corsa forum and only "like" a user's post if it's something negative about Assetto Corsa. It's odd that you only take into account the negatives spoken about the game. And these negatives, I'm sure some of them, maybe many are really just opinions. Anything you see someone say positive about Assetto Corsa is blind fanboyism in your eyes.

I'm sure Brandon, Johnny, Killerjim, mister dog, etc... are all willing to discuss the short-comings of the game. I know I am. I'm constantly writing how pissed off I am that Kunos released a game that I know is pretty darn good, in the shape that they did. I don't care if someone likes or hates the game, and I'm sure none of the other "AC worshippers", as you would refer to them, care either. Just come with something intelligent and factual.

So again, I ask why would you invest well, well over a thousand hours in GT6. I almost have 900 hours in Assetto Corsa and thats in one year and I haven't even played the game much in the last several months... Why would you invest so much time and effort making these replicas when you know the game is crap? Unless you don't think the game is crap...but you DO think Assetto Corsa is crap, ergo you believe GT6 is "better" than Assetto Corsa. Again, you only lurk around here until someone comes in pissed off about something so you can hit the "Like" button. You don't have the game, you'll never have the game because why would you buy a piece of junk? All the cars are wrong. The physics suck! Your sources told you so...

Again, in your own words, "What I can say is I think I'm likely won't be easily impressed playing AC like you did...", but you'll invest thousands of hours in GT6 so you must be impressed by the physics of GT6, of course after you fix all of the cars. I seriously doubt that you play GT6 for as many hours as you have and after every session you say, "My God!! What an awful game this is..." But, you know for a fact that Assetto Corsa is nothing to be impressed with...but GT6 is. And that's a fair opinion. I've seen many other people say that GT6 feels more realistic to them than Assetto Corsa. That's cool. I'm not here to convert anyone. I play the game because I like it. Same reason why I drove exclusively your tunes...I liked the way they felt when I was driving, braking, turning better than the stock setups.

I'm sure you'll get your PS4 and GTSport as soon as it's available and that's totally cool too. I know a lot of people who play GT6, Forza, Assetto Corsa, Dirt. My buddy who has been loaning me his wheel since I broke mine has all of those. He'll be getting GTSport as well. What kind of critique will you be giving that game? Show me the posts back in December 2013 where you talk about GT6 and mention how the caster effect, SAT, LSD, etc.. aren't up to your standard. Or maybe the posts where you express how fake the turbo simulation is in GT6. These are all things that you just said you know aren't anything impressive in a game you've never played, so surely you either think those things are good in GT6 or you think they're crap. I think someone would be way more focused on discussing the shortcomings of the game he just shelled out AAA title money for than a game he's never played. But, that's just me...

 

[killerjimbag]

Oh, I never said GT6 was better than AC. I'm just wondering why someone would put so much effort into GT6, tweaking cars, testing them, tweaking again and again, but then hang out in the Assetto Corsa forum and only "like" a user's post if it's something negative about Assetto Corsa. It's odd that you only take into account the negatives spoken about the game. And these negatives, I'm sure some of them, maybe many are really just opinions. Anything you see someone say positive about Assetto Corsa is blind fanboyism in your eyes.

I'm sure Brandon, Johnny, Killerjim, mister dog, etc... are all willing to discuss the short-comings of the game. I know I am. I'm constantly writing how pissed off I am that Kunos released a game that I know is pretty darn good, in the shape that they did. I don't care if someone likes or hates the game, and I'm sure none of the other "AC worshippers", as you would refer to them, care either. Just come with something intelligent and factual.

So again, I ask why would you invest well, well over a thousand hours in GT6. I almost have 900 hours in Assetto Corsa and thats in one year and I haven't even played the game much in the last several months... Why would you invest so much time and effort making these replicas when you know the game is crap? Unless you don't think the game is crap...but you DO think Assetto Corsa is crap, ergo you believe GT6 is "better" than Assetto Corsa. Again, you only lurk around here until someone comes in pissed off about something so you can hit the "Like" button. You don't have the game, you'll never have the game because why would you buy a piece of junk? All the cars are wrong. The physics suck! Your sources told you so...

Again, in your own words, "What I can say is I think I'm likely won't be easily impressed playing AC like you did...", but you'll invest thousands of hours in GT6 so you must be impressed by the physics of GT6, of course after you fix all of the cars. I seriously doubt that you play GT6 for as many hours as you have and after every session you say, "My God!! What an awful game this is..." But, you know for a fact that Assetto Corsa is nothing to be impressed with...but GT6 is. And that's a fair opinion. I've seen many other people say that GT6 feels more realistic to them than Assetto Corsa. That's cool. I'm not here to convert anyone. I play the game because I like it. Same reason why I drove exclusively your tunes...I liked the way they felt when I was driving, braking, turning better than the stock setups.

I'm sure you'll get your PS4 and GTSport as soon as it's available and that's totally cool too. I know a lot of people who play GT6, Forza, Assetto Corsa, Dirt. My buddy who has been loaning me his wheel since I broke mine has all of those. He'll be getting GTSport as well. What kind of critique will you be giving that game? Show me the posts back in December 2013 where you talk about GT6 and mention how the caster effect, SAT, LSD, etc.. aren't up to your standard. Or maybe the posts where you express how fake the turbo simulation is in GT6. These are all things that you just said you know aren't anything impressive in a game you've never played, so surely you either think those things are good in GT6 or you think they're crap. I think someone would be way more focused on discussing the shortcomings of the game he just shelled out AAA title money for than a game he's never played. But, that's just me...

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Oh, I never said GT6 was better than AC. I'm just wondering why someone would put so much effort into GT6, tweaking cars, testing them, tweaking again and again, but then hang out in the Assetto Corsa forum and only "like" a user's post if it's something negative about Assetto Corsa. It's odd that you only take into account the negatives spoken about the game. And these negatives, I'm sure some of them, maybe many are really just opinions. Anything you see someone say positive about Assetto Corsa is blind fanboyism in your eyes.

I'm sure Brandon, Johnny, Killerjim, mister dog, etc... are all willing to discuss the short-comings of the game. I know I am. I'm constantly writing how pissed off I am that Kunos released a game that I know is pretty darn good, in the shape that they did. I don't care if someone likes or hates the game, and I'm sure none of the other "AC worshippers", as you would refer to them, care either. Just come with something intelligent and factual.

So again, I ask why would you invest well, well over a thousand hours in GT6. I almost have 900 hours in Assetto Corsa and thats in one year and I haven't even played the game much in the last several months... Why would you invest so much time and effort making these replicas when you know the game is crap? Unless you don't think the game is crap...but you DO think Assetto Corsa is crap, ergo you believe GT6 is "better" than Assetto Corsa. Again, you only lurk around here until someone comes in pissed off about something so you can hit the "Like" button. You don't have the game, you'll never have the game because why would you buy a piece of junk? All the cars are wrong. The physics suck! Your sources told you so...

Again, in your own words, "What I can say is I think I'm likely won't be easily impressed playing AC like you did...", but you'll invest thousands of hours in GT6 so you must be impressed by the physics of GT6, of course after you fix all of the cars. I seriously doubt that you play GT6 for as many hours as you have and after every session you say, "My God!! What an awful game this is..." But, you know for a fact that Assetto Corsa is nothing to be impressed with...but GT6 is. And that's a fair opinion. I've seen many other people say that GT6 feels more realistic to them than Assetto Corsa. That's cool. I'm not here to convert anyone. I play the game because I like it. Same reason why I drove exclusively your tunes...I liked the way they felt when I was driving, braking, turning better than the stock setups.

I'm sure you'll get your PS4 and GTSport as soon as it's available and that's totally cool too. I know a lot of people who play GT6, Forza, Assetto Corsa, Dirt. My buddy who has been loaning me his wheel since I broke mine has all of those. He'll be getting GTSport as well. What kind of critique will you be giving that game? Show me the posts back in December 2013 where you talk about GT6 and mention how the caster effect, SAT, LSD, etc.. aren't up to your standard. Or maybe the posts where you express how fake the turbo simulation is in GT6. These are all things that you just said you know aren't anything impressive in a game you've never played, so surely you either think those things are good in GT6 or you think they're crap. I think someone would be way more focused on discussing the shortcomings of the game he just shelled out AAA title money for than a game he's never played. But, that's just me...

Please, GT6 is not even close. You can't get exact replicas because it doesn't work properly. You just said it in your first 2 sentences.Yeah PD is going to look at your garage and fix it's game. People have passed on info about AC, who the idiot at Pretend Racecars? You linked his article didn't you. So let me understand this. You played PCARS for 6 hours in a glitched bugfest state and past on your knowledge to the physics guy.
Yeah I drove my friends Porche last weekend before he put it away. Their calling me tomorrow to help tweak the suspension.

You guys never understand me at all. I spend lots of time in GT6, because that's only good racing game on PS3, I don't have enough money for PS4 or custom build PC. I made those replicas in hope PD will improve, GT is the only games where most of the cars that I like are in the game. I tried to make do with what I have bought and I do not claim that my work is 100% realistic or the best, it's my way of playing the game. I was glad the garage had over 500k views, at least there are people out there who had a look. There are only a handful of people who regularly post on it, about 3 or 4.

Can I say GT6 is crap ? If talking about the absence of tire pressure, the stupid spring rate range on custom suspension, hidden damper/ARB values, dodgy alignment physics, simple LSD, errors on weight distributions, simple drivetrain physics, no turbo lag, yeah, it's crap compared to even LFS, GT6 is too simplified in that regard.

I contributed to SMS physics lead because I wanted the cars to be properly represented virtually ( like the Madmike Radbull, FQ400, Clio Cup, Yellowbird ), whether they will fix or not, it's up to them, I can't force them. Even with that, there are people that belittle my effort or hostile. In the end, SMS physics lead did fixes those cars where applicable, like the FQ400, Clio and Yellowbird ( default setup )

To be honest, I have discussed issues on physics ( AC, Pcars and GT6 ) in conversations with people who have the game and have good insight on car physics, gave great feedback on the issues. I prefer such route to avoid these kind of posts from Johnnypenso, jimbag etc.

Just for a start, how did the test go with self centering, burnout, turn the wheel into the direction of burnout and let go ? or do drift, then countersteer like in real life, do you have to guide the wheel all the way in AC ? This is not wheel issue, other games can do it just fine with cheap wheels like DFGT or G27. No need for direct drive wheel.

How about caster effect on camber gain on outside and inside wheel ? Does the wheel gets heavier to turn with higher caster / self centering force ? A good car to test E30 BMW M3, the real car has 10 degree caster stock from BMW Motorsports.

For LSD, does AC simulate the unique super LSD in Mazda ND ? It has unique preload and TBR.
For the new Porsches, how does the PTV/+ works in AC for the 991 Carreras ? How much lock in drive/coast it has ( the real one isn't much and it's dynamic ) ? How much rear wheel steering it does ( degree ) ? These 2 may contribute to why some said it understeers.

 

[killerjimbag]

You guys never understand me at all. I spend lots of time in GT6, because that's only good racing game on PS3, I don't have enough money for PS4 or custom build PC. I made those replicas in hope PD will improve, GT is the only games where most of the cars that I like are in the game. I tried to make do with what I have bought and I do not claim that my work is 100% realistic or the best, it's my way of playing the game. I was glad the garage had over 500k views, at least there are people out there who had a look. There are only a handful of people who regularly post on it, about 3 or 4.

Can I say GT6 is crap ? If talking about the absence of tire pressure, the stupid spring rate range on custom suspension, hidden damper/ARB values, dodgy alignment physics, simple LSD, errors on weight distributions, simple drivetrain physics, no turbo lag, yeah, it's crap compared to even LFS, GT6 is too simplified in that regard.

I contributed to SMS physics lead because I wanted the cars to be properly represented virtually ( like the Madmike Radbull, FQ400, Clio Cup ), whether they will fix or not, it's up to them, I can't force them. Even with that, there are people that belittle my effort or hostile.

To be honest, I have discussed issues on physics ( AC, Pcars and GT6 ) in conversations with people who have the game and have good insight on car physics, gave great feedback on the issues. I prefer such route to avoid these kind of posts from Johnnypenso, jimbag etc.

Just for a start, how did the test go with self centering, burnout, turn the wheel into the direction of burnout and let go ? or do drift, then countersteer like in real life, do you have to guide the wheel all the way in AC ? How about caster effect on camber gain on outside and inside wheel ? Does the wheel gets heavier with higher caster ? A good car to test E30 BMW M3, the real car has 10 degree caster stock from BMW Motorsports.

Look of I have something to say to someone,I don't post it on my profile or take a swipe at someone in a glancing post. To be honest,not being rude.Your setups couldn't hold a candle to Praiano63 or Motor Cities tunes. Just an opinion. I have no idea were you get your info from nor do I personally care. I don't think your getting the point here. Comment away,but back it up with "your" impression of the game after having played it for more than 6 hours or not at all.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Look of I have something to say to someone,I don't post it on my profile or take a swipe at someone in a glancing post. To be honest,not being rude.Your setups couldn't hold a candle to Praiano63 or Motor Cities tunes. Just an opinion. I have no idea were you get your info from nor do I personally care. I don't think your getting the point here. Comment away,but back it up with "your" impression of the game after having played it for more than 6 hours or not at all.

I don't care about those 2 people you mention, I lost respect for both them long ago, whether they can do great tunes or not. We are doing different build on cars, different purpose. I'm curious though, have you ever driven my build in GT6 ?

What impression ? My last post was asking about AC physics as I don't have the game, care to answer them ?

Here is an example of a review of my build, it's not going to make GT6 better than others, but it shows different perspective from someone who played Rfactor and AC ( on PC ) with wheel, but also plays GT6.

@Ridox2JZGTE I just tried your Ayrton Senna tribute Acura NSX and I am seriously impressed. I have been getting less enjoyment from GT6 ever since I started playing PC sims 2 years ago, because all of the cars just feels wrong to me. But after applying your tune it completely transformed the feel of the car. I would say it gives Niels NSX in rFactor 1 and the mod NSX in Assetto Corsa a run for their money! When pushed hard the deficiencies in GT's tire and suspension modelling still shows, but if you just drive it at 90% it is very realistic and believable. I drove it at Suzuka and I was completely on the edge at Spoon 1, with my steering and throttle stabs just like Senna's It was fantastic and thank you for restoring my faith in this game 👍 I will definitely check out the rest of your tunes. Should keep me busy until GTS later in the year
PS: With regards to your tuning approach, do you input exact real life numbers into the settings, or you used whatever means necessary to make it handle like the real car, even if you have to fudge the numbers? Also, interesting use of ballast to make the weight distribution more accurate. I thought that's going to make the handling worse (because of more rear bias), but somehow your suspension magic makes it handle better. I can't believe PD completely mucked up the stock specs for the NSX. Do the GT community a favour and apply to PD as Lead Physics Engineer please?