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[ALB123]

Well, I see videos like the one below and the physics look to be very VERY similar to real life. So I'm wondering what this guy has done... Witchcraft

Wow! That dude can drive. Respect.

I downloaded a couple of those SIM TRAXX maps. Within 15 seconds I'm lost and I driving down roads that really aren't a part of the map - so I come to dead ends or fall through the road to my fiery death.

Some of those turns he made...I was thinking, "Man...I never would have thought that's the direction of the rally layout!" Hopefully, someone will make a track map for idiots like me who quit 20 seconds into the map out of fear of being put on Amber Alert.

As for your original question -- the feel of the roads. I've always wondered this as well. Clearly, Assetto Corsa wasn't made to be a dirt track sim. However, that doesn't stop the tons of mods, both car & track, appearing for both conditions. I've tried doing a couple of runs with those purpose built Rally car mods & with Kunos cars, like the Ford Escort RS1600. That Ford only offers 70s slicks. Regardless, I put the surface onto Dusty as I believe that's the lowest setting we have in terms of surface grip.

I've thought that they felt alright...but my personal opinion is, if building a dirt or partial dirt/partial tar track for AC, you really have to build a great surface mesh with a lot of polys to represent a lot of those little bumps and undulations you experience on an off-road track.

Joux Plane is probably my favorite Rally style road (tarmac). Good luck trying to find that good combination to make the surface & tires feel connected. 👍 Maybe send a message to the dude who made that video? He might respond... Even just in the comments section of the video perhaps.

 

[35mm]

🤬 awesome doesn't begin to describe that video...

I'd die for a track/stage like that on consoles.

 

[Cote Dazur]

🤬 awesome doesn't begin to describe that video...

I'd die for a track/stage like that on consoles.

The dark side is still calling you, no need to die!

 

[skazz]

Whatever you do, don't google RSRBR 2016....

 

[35mm]

Whatever you do, don't google RSRBR 2016....

Something related to Richard Burns Rally...?

 

[OooAhh Cantona]

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Christmas DLC?!

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Well, I see videos like the one below and the physics look to be very VERY similar to real life. So I'm wondering what this guy has done... Witchcraft

Clearly he's a good driver, so there's nothing stopping him from memorising the track and just drive from muscle memory instead of relying on FFB. As we are not the ones holding the wheels, we can't say for sure that car feels better than the mods we tried.

I tried the Fiesta on Joux Plane as well and it's also like driving on ice. Brakes still lock up way too easily too. So I think the problem is a combination of the tracks' mesh and grip levels and the Fiesta's physics (possibly tyre models). Maybe they just tried to reduce grip levels but didn't take into account friction levels (which actually is higher on dirt). Someone with better understanding of physics and stuff can explain better than me

Something related to Richard Burns Rally...?

Yup, it's a mod for RBR that gets updated every year. It's a pretty big download and a complete mess to install, but once you get going it is the best and most complete rally package available.

If you are feeling less adventurous, try out its "lite" version here (http://rbrplus.blogspot.co.id/2016/12/rbr-2016.html). It's better than WRC 6, seriously.

 

[ALB123]

I tried the Fiesta on Joux Plane as well and it's also like driving on ice. Brakes still lock up way too easily too. So I think the problem is a combination of the tracks' mesh and grip levels and the Fiesta's physics (possibly tyre models). Maybe they just tried to reduce grip levels but didn't take into account friction levels (which actually is higher on dirt). Someone with better understanding of physics and stuff can explain better than me

I think I downloaded that Fiesta. I can't remember. I'm not really into the rally thing - though I don't mind hooning around a tarmac course with sports cars. As much as I like Joux Plane for AC, it could definitely use some improvements. Plus, no matter how many times I drive that road there are 2 or 3 sections where I'm bound to go flying off the road time after time after time. It is quite maddening.

 

[Cote Dazur]

I think I downloaded that Fiesta. I can't remember. I'm not really into the rally thing - though I don't mind hooning around a tarmac course with sports cars. As much as I like Joux Plane for AC, it could definitely use some improvements. Plus, no matter how many times I drive that road there are 2 or 3 sections where I'm bound to go flying off the road time after time after time. It is quite maddening.

Joux plane and other of the same type were always a chalenge for me as well until I started in VR. Those tracks as opposed to racing tracks are difficult to memorize to compensate for the either limited FOV or distorted FOV on 2dflat screen, In VR since you can see distance in 3D and look around, those tricky apex and hairpins are a lot more intuitive and enjoyable.

 

[ALB123]

Joux plane and other of the same type were always a chalenge for me as well until I started in VR. Those tracks as opposed to racing tracks are difficult to memorize to compensate for the either limited FOV or distorted FOV on 2dflat screen, In VR since you can see distance in 3D and look around, those tricky apex and hairpins are a lot more intuitive and enjoyable.

Oh man...I am so jealous. I never thought that VR would interest me. Every demo or early games showing off VR looked pathetic and absolutely useless to me. Actually, I still think that VR isn't going to be great for every type of game. Some will be fantastic, some will be stupid still, in my opinion.

The first time I saw a YouTube video of someone showing their point-of-view with a VR headset on in Assetto Corsa, I had 3 mini-strokes. My mind was blown. And that's still only watching a 2D image - actually placing that thing on your head must be freakin' out of this world. Right now, I play on a single 55" TV. It sucks. I don't want that arcadey tunnel FoV, so I can't see crap on the sides of me. I try pushing my "eyes" back as far as I can without going through the drivers seat or clipping the drivers helmet & stuff like that, just so I can get a little more view on the L & R of me. But then it throws off my distance to the nose of my car...single monitors just suck compared to triples or VR.

I've been under the impression that VR is very demanding on a system. I looked at your system specs in your signature and it's a modest system, wouldn't you agree? I mean, it's not brand new - every component top of the line. Your CPU is very good, 16GB is very good, but graphics card isn't a killer card or anything, is it? I'm just curious if my system could possibly handle running VR.

 

[Cote Dazur]

Oh man...I am so jealous. I never thought that VR would interest me. Every demo or early games showing off VR looked pathetic and absolutely useless to me. Actually, I still think that VR isn't going to be great for every type of game. Some will be fantastic, some will be stupid still, in my opinion.

The first time I saw a YouTube video of someone showing their point-of-view with a VR headset on in Assetto Corsa, I had 3 mini-strokes. My mind was blown. And that's still only watching a 2D image - actually placing that thing on your head must be freakin' out of this world. Right now, I play on a single 55" TV. It sucks. I don't want that arcadey tunnel FoV, so I can't see crap on the sides of me. I try pushing my "eyes" back as far as I can without going through the drivers seat or clipping the drivers helmet & stuff like that, just so I can get a little more view on the L & R of me. But then it throws off my distance to the nose of my car...single monitors just suck compared to triples or VR.

I've been under the impression that VR is very demanding on a system. I looked at your system specs in your signature and it's a modest system, wouldn't you agree? I mean, it's not brand new - every component top of the line. Your CPU is very good, 16GB is very good, but graphics card isn't a killer card or anything, is it? I'm just curious if my system could possibly handle running VR.

Beside my graphic card that I have had for 2 years, the rest I just put toghether and is up to speed for CV1. I have a DK2, so my present GPU is doing fine and I enjoy my VR tremendously. So much so that I have now zero interest in playing/driving on a monitor.
You are very correct when you say watching VR on a screen does tell you anything, you have to wear the goggles to find yourself in the holodeck.

 

[mister dog]

Really looking forward to the dev roadmap for 2017. Should be there on the 31st 👍

 

[Orayani]

Curious even for PC users, is the Audi R8 LMS Ultra busted for tyre temperatures? On the PS4 no matter what I do unless burnouts or switching off ABS and locking the wheels up I cannot get the tyres to go green the entire ten laps. Even if I do have them green it is like running them through water and they fall back to 58 - 62c within 5 seconds. Seems crazy fast for that to happen. Traction control is off as well yet the car seems to have crazy grip on the mediums with a stock setup. Even off the line from the starts. The thing is like a drag racer.

I've tried ABS factory over 2 laps, 1 - 8 or 10 over 2 laps even 0/0 off, the tyres would not go green yet I had great stopping power.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Curious even for PC users, is the Audi R8 LMS Ultra busted for tyre temperatures? On the PS4 no matter what I do unless burnouts or switching off ABS and locking the wheels up I cannot get the tyres to go green the entire ten laps. Even if I do have them green it is like running them through water and they fall back to 58 - 62c within 5 seconds. Seems crazy fast for that to happen. Traction control is off as well yet the car seems to have crazy grip on the mediums with a stock setup. Even off the line from the starts. The thing is like a drag racer.

I've tried ABS factory over 2 laps, 1 - 8 or 10 over 2 laps even 0/0 off, the tyres would not go green yet I had great stopping power.

Which compound are you using? The Medium compound on any Race car stays light blue for me all the time.

 

[Orayani]

Stock medium. It stays dark blue unless in fast sweeping turns it'll turn light blue to green then drop back to dark blue.

Surely dark blue tyres should mean hardly any grip?

 

[LeGeNd-1]

I think I downloaded that Fiesta. I can't remember. I'm not really into the rally thing - though I don't mind hooning around a tarmac course with sports cars. As much as I like Joux Plane for AC, it could definitely use some improvements. Plus, no matter how many times I drive that road there are 2 or 3 sections where I'm bound to go flying off the road time after time after time. It is quite maddening.

The biggest difficulty for me switching between RBR and AC is the lack of co-driver for point-2-point roads. You don't realize how much you rely on your co-driver to call out tight, blind corners and tricky crests. On Joux Plane there are flatout open sections that makes you go "alright, I can push it now" and then throw a tight corner out of nowhere and you end up in the trees Same thing when I try to drive fast at Pikes Peak or Transfagarasan.

IIRC there's a co-driver mod for AC somewhere, haven't tried it though and I heard the co-driver voice is very unnatural so I'm not keen on using it.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Curious even for PC users, is the Audi R8 LMS Ultra busted for tyre temperatures? On the PS4 no matter what I do unless burnouts or switching off ABS and locking the wheels up I cannot get the tyres to go green the entire ten laps. Even if I do have them green it is like running them through water and they fall back to 58 - 62c within 5 seconds. Seems crazy fast for that to happen. Traction control is off as well yet the car seems to have crazy grip on the mediums with a stock setup. Even off the line from the starts. The thing is like a drag racer.

I've tried ABS factory over 2 laps, 1 - 8 or 10 over 2 laps even 0/0 off, the tyres would not go green yet I had great stopping power.

Have you changed the temperature of the track? That affects grip a lot now.

 

[Orayani]

Sadly I didn't pay attention to that as I wasn't hosting but it looked like cool temperatures as it was quite dark and heavy clouds. So it must have been at least 20c?... The car felt greasy grippy but not hot sticky if that makes sense?

 

[ALB123]

The biggest difficulty for me switching between RBR and AC is the lack of co-driver for point-2-point roads. You don't realize how much you rely on your co-driver to call out tight, blind corners and tricky crests. On Joux Plane there are flatout open sections that makes you go "alright, I can push it now" and then throw a tight corner out of nowhere and you end up in the trees Same thing when I try to drive fast at Pikes Peak or Transfagarasan.

IIRC there's a co-driver mod for AC somewhere, haven't tried it though and I heard the co-driver voice is very unnatural so I'm not keen on using it.

Yes...I know exactly what you mean about pushing it at the wrong time. I crash and burn way more often than I make it to the end of Joux Plane. Immediately, I thought there was a co-driver app also...I've never tried it. I've never heard it. That would be very helpful for Rally racers. That video that Kamuifanboy posted had some amazing driving - I don't understand how I can have every turn of the Nordschleife memorized - I could drive it in my mind with my eyes closed - yet I can't even remember the first half of Joux Plane.

EDIT: Oh, I meant to say that I think there is something wrong with Tires & Heat. I can't imagine that real race tires cool down as quickly as these do. Plus, it really feels like if you can't push many cars or certain compounds to the absolute limit for an entire lap, over and over, you can forget about ever seeing tires in the Green.

 

[Orayani]

Only the super softs stay green but I've never seen them go yellow or red unless you do burn outs... I thought super softs were supposed to be tyres that quickly lose grip. Grippy and faster for a few laps but it shouldn't stay the same for 10 plus laps, should it?

 

[ALB123]

Only the super softs stay green but I've never seen them go yellow or red unless you do burn outs... I thought super softs were supposed to be tyres that quickly lose grip. Grippy and faster for a few laps but it shouldn't stay the same for 10 plus laps, should it?

I am not a race car expert by any stretch of the imagination, so please don't take my comments as gospel. I've always believed that Super Softs are a qualifying tire in Assetto Corsa. Now, I don't know if there are different characteristics behind the Soft & Super Soft GT2 tires versus the Soft & Super Soft Formula/Indy tires.

If you can somehow get 10 laps out of Super Softs at racing pace, I say God bless ya and enjoy that fantastic grip! Because I am such a crap driver, I actually dislike super grippy tires sometimes. I have a hard time adjusting to them. In fact, I drive open-wheel & GT2 so in frequently, I can't even tell you the last time I drove on even Softs, let alone Super Softs. I usually stick with the default Mediums. Of course, to be competitive, I suggest running 10-15 laps with Super Softs & 10-15 laps with Softs and check out the differences.

Also, maybe you can shed some light on this...Are all open-wheel & GT2 cars on Tire Model 10? Are they all still on TM7? Or are there some on TM10 & some still on TM7? I would imagine you'll probably experience a little bit of difference between the two at those speeds, whether it's feel, grip or wear.

If you make any discoveries I'd love if you could post about them in here. 👍

 

[Orayani]

How would I test to know if those cars are on different tyre models? I assumed with the console being on v1.10 all cars were using the same latest tyre model.

As for the softs and super softs, I'll try longer stints to compare. See how long before they drop off.
Normally I always run on mediums as well but I started changing them in some sessions because I couldn't workout what is going on with my tyre temperatures.

I also expected temperatures to slowly drop if you were going slow, not rapidly at high speed and they've become cold by the next corner.

 

[BrandonW77]

How would I test to know if those cars are on different tyre models? I assumed with the console being on v1.10 all cars were using the same latest tyre model.

No, they only started adding v10 tire model to cars over the last few updates and not all cars have the updated tires yet. Probably more cars on v7 tire than v10. Aris said he hoped to spend some time over the holidays getting the rest of the cars on new tires.

 

[ALB123]

How would I test to know if those cars are on different tyre models? I assumed with the console being on v1.10 all cars were using the same latest tyre model.

As for the softs and super softs, I'll try longer stints to compare. See how long before they drop off.
Normally I always run on mediums as well but I started changing them in some sessions because I couldn't workout what is going on with my tyre temperatures.

I also expected temperatures to slowly drop if you were going slow, not rapidly at high speed and they've become cold by the next corner.

Awww crap. I forgot. The console version doesn't throw that information into the lower right corner of the screen when it is loading a car/track combo. PC Version tells you which Tire Model the car is on as well as stuff like: This car has electronic aid, no need for enabling auto-blip or This car has adjustable Turbos from the cockpit, likewise if the car has adjustable brake balance within the cockpit. Stuff like that. Ugh....

 

[Donnced]

Awww crap. I forgot. The console version doesn't throw that information into the lower right corner of the screen when it is loading a car/track combo. PC Version tells you which Tire Model the car is on as well as stuff like: This car has electronic aid, no need for enabling auto-blip or This car has adjustable Turbos from the cockpit, likewise if the car has adjustable brake balance within the cockpit. Stuff like that. Ugh....

Hi mate!
Can you do a little favour??
Make some screenshots from the loading screen please with that information.
So i could make a post/feature request in the official support forum / console lounge!

Would be great and very grateful!

 

[Orayani]

Awww crap. I forgot. The console version doesn't throw that information into the lower right corner of the screen when it is loading a car/track combo. PC Version tells you which Tire Model the car is on as well as stuff like: This car has electronic aid, no need for enabling auto-blip or This car has adjustable Turbos from the cockpit, likewise if the car has adjustable brake balance within the cockpit. Stuff like that. Ugh....

It is feeling like everything on the console version is guesswork to how many litres of fuel to what tyre model the cars are on.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Fredrik Sørlie, the guy most famous for drifting his Cressida on an onramp and on the Nordschleife, is testing a mod of his car on AC.

 

[SmileyOr]

I reduced tire pressure to get the medium tires to stay green while testing a few cars. The fronts were running cooler when at the same pressure.

 

[Orayani]

I reduced tire pressure to get the medium tires to stay green while testing a few cars. The fronts were running cooler when at the same pressure.

Sadly we cannot do that in the Zero Cup races.

 

[ALB123]

Hi mate!
Can you do a little favour??
Make some screenshots from the loading screen please with that information.
So i could make a post/feature request in the official support forum / console lounge!

Would be great and very grateful!

I sure can. Sorry...I haven't been on my computer since I made that post. I'll get to it in just a few minutes.

@ProjectWHaT - that car looks pretty cool. Am I losing my mind or was that video playing like it had dropped frames throughout the entire thing?