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lorelord
Again a few valid points but bringing money into the equation is a whole different subject.

I dont see why people get so fixated on money.

Also I think its somewhat hypocritical in that when your config or w.e was copied you went one step further than encryption and decided to stop publicly releasing altogether. Thats a defeatist attitude.

I have a clear policy in regards to my mods.

  1. If its a straight convert from another game with no improvements - public release for free unencrypted
  2. If its a model I paid for - Patreon exclusive
  3. If its a mod I spent a **** load of time improving and adding bits - Patreon Encrypted.
Seems fair to me.
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Money in modding are not important for me, if they was i would have opened a patreon and never ever invested my time (TONS OF HOURS in the latest 2-3 years) every weekend working on tracks to update them, 1000% for free.

If i would have focused on money i would have opened a patreon and asked the subscriber to tell me which track they want to see updated.

I stopped releasing stuff not for money or else, just becase i don't have time and interest to fight with stressed modders who discharge their real life frustration on a person who, for free, try to improve their stuff helping them and being accused to stole and make money via sharedmods. As said i keep doing with trusted people like @pugsang, @racinjoe013 which are the most common recurrent people which i work with in the latest period.

As said i was not talkin about you, but you are free to do whatever you want but again: If you don't do onboards camera as they should i want to be able to edit them without being forced to ask you (some modders even not respond on request even for pay mods).
 
safi hellie
The other reason modders encrypt is to hide stuff.
Just looked at the Bentley GT3 car and it has "copyright of untied racing design" in the tyres ini and i'd guess there is much more that is URD physics that the modder then encrypted.
To hide, rather than claim i'd guess.
90 percent of AC users won't go all detective like a modder can.
Same as when i went into Tommy 78's sierra RS500 mod recently to take some bits for my RS500 PCars conversion.....
Guess what...... Tommy's is PCars RS500.
OK so he did some stuff to it, but he claims scratch made I believe and charges money.

There is a lot of stuff that people like to hide, same way as there is a way around stopping CM analyse tool recognising you took kunos cars physics just by changing a few spellings in the data files.

Data file encryption is so dumb because you just open the data file, copy and paste to another data folder make a totally new car folder and data isn't now encrypted.

If i can be bothered i am going to do a Bentley GT3 car and use the same data as that encrypted one to prove a point.
Not sure i have the energy as its such a run of the mill sim car and i could use my time to do something interesting.
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Re : the Tommy bit : when I was making a RUF BTR mod I used the CTR FM4 model for the spare parts and the CTR Kunos model as a base and guess what ? The Forza parts were dead-on perfect for the Kunos CTR. Now I'm not saying Kunos have nicked T10's model but... Might be a coincidence? If it's the PC model sold for 5€ or whatever the cost is then it's ****** no doubt.
 
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Which one is this pp filter?
 
Masscot
Your post triggered a vague memory from many years ago where I think it was proven that a commercial games developer took an amateur modder's scratch built car (or parts of it, at least) and put it in their own game, without permission. Codemasters maybe?
Can't remember the details.
Maybe I dreamt it.
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Yep codemasters, irony being they had the license so could do what they wanted with the model.
Because even a scratch built car without a license is actually in its extremes if anyone bothered, not allowed.
Hence all the stupid RSS and VRC names, which even then just them taking the same shapes and adding different names isn't actually meant to be allowed.

Its messy.
 
safi hellie
Yep codemasters, irony being they had the license so could do what they wanted with the model.
Because even a scratch built car without a license is actually in its extremes if anyone bothered, not allowed.
Hence all the stupid RSS and VRC names, which even then just them taking the same shapes and adding different names isn't actually meant to be allowed.

Its messy.
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Aye, legals are on a scale of greys rather than black or white. Basically, are you trying to make money from someone else's copyright.

I've no doubt that if an OEM came at VRC or RSS about the ones which are clear copies of a car (ie: not a generic car based on a ruleset) they'd have a case heard.

Fortunately it's not worth it and they do enough that it would take a case (and some bad publicity) to enact. If the future of sims includes officially integrated 'marketplaces' though, I suspect this will come back again because in that instance changing the name and badge won't be sufficient.
 
I'm sorry to interrupt this (fair and old) debate on encryption but can you point me to the best visual version of Long Beach... I've taken a look on the Breathe list but I can't understand how does it work proper 😅. Also, he reported a version from a dude called "fn" which is maybe the most recent one but there isn't a download link...
 
safi hellie
Yep codemasters, irony being they had the license so could do what they wanted with the model.
Because even a scratch built car without a license is actually in its extremes if anyone bothered, not allowed.
Hence all the stupid RSS and VRC names, which even then just them taking the same shapes and adding different names isn't actually meant to be allowed.

Its messy.
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In the very vast majority of countries in the world it is not meant to be allowed, but it is not prejudiceable (don't know if it's the right word... I'm no brit, damnit). Basically it's a very common way of avoiding licensing, you can either represent the name, the model, or the company that owns it, but not all of it at the same time, because in that case you make a "link" between the company and their property, therefore their image. You cannot be considere at fault by representing something that belongs to a company, even at a near-perfect copy, if you apply no other links to be made to that company. For car models, it's nearly comical : Porsche can't legally attack you for making a near-perfect 911, if it's nowhere said to be a Porsche. Lets say you call it a Mousche 822, with a proper own logo and badge : you got the model, but not the name nor the company. No link applicable. You didn't "specifically" looked to make a Porsche 911. It's a serious nightmare to judge on a legal point of view, so most of the time they let it go through (be aware of Ferrari tho, they went on court for less). On the other hand, you can spend how much time you want on a scratch-made car model, if it's clear as water that it IS a Porsche 911 with the Porsche badge, free or not, you're on a fragile soil. And if you ask money for it, you need a selling licence (depending on the country), a copyright licence (you probably don't have it considering the price), and a fair amount of paperwork (good news the digital world is still quite uncontroled, am I right?).

But yeah, the funny part is when a modder is defending himself because of the "SO MANY HOURS" he worked on his thing. I mean... Thanks and all, no doubt about that, but... Never forget your situation.
"Officer, I should have the right to sell my drugs, it took me so many hours to make it" - well, that doesn't change much of it, ya know. do you have a permit to sell it ? No ? YOU DON'T SAY
 
Masscot
Your post triggered a vague memory from many years ago where I think it was proven that a commercial games developer took an amateur modder's scratch built car (or parts of it, at least) and put it in their own game, without permission. Codemasters maybe?
Can't remember the details.
Maybe I dreamt it.
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The Kunos NA Miata was originally a mod iirc.
 
safi hellie
Hence all the stupid RSS and VRC names, which even then just them taking the same shapes and adding different names isn't actually meant to be allowed.

Its messy.
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I always think it's a daft waste of time when RSS and VRC do a whole host of fake-name lookalike liveries for their fake-name lookalike cars when the first thing everyone does is download real liveries from RD. They might as well just release a white car with a template and save many hours of redundant work.
 
Alguecool
In the very vast majority of countries in the world it is not meant to be allowed, but it is not prejudiceable (don't know if it's the right word... I'm no brit, damnit). Basically it's a very common way of avoiding licensing, you can either represent the name, the model, or the company that owns it, but not all of it at the same time, because in that case you make a "link" between the company and their property, therefore their image. You cannot be considere at fault by representing something that belongs to a company, even at a near-perfect copy, if you apply no other links to be made to that company. For car models, it's nearly comical : Porsche can't legally attack you for making a near-perfect 911, if it's nowhere said to be a Porsche. Lets say you call it a Mousche 822, with a proper own logo and badge : you got the model, but not the name nor the company. No link applicable. You didn't "specifically" looked to make a Porsche 911. It's a serious nightmare to judge on a legal point of view, so most of the time they let it go through (be aware of Ferrari tho, they went on court for less). On the other hand, you can spend how much time you want on a scratch-made car model, if it's clear as water that it IS a Porsche 911 with the Porsche badge, free or not, you're on a fragile soil. And if you ask money for it, you need a selling licence (depending on the country), a copyright licence (you probably don't have it considering the price), and a fair amount of paperwork (good news the digital world is still quite uncontroled, am I right?).

But yeah, the funny part is when a modder is defending himself because of the "SO MANY HOURS" he worked on his thing. I mean... Thanks and all, no doubt about that, but... Never forget your situation.
"Officer, I should have the right to sell my drugs, it took me so many hours to make it" - well, that doesn't change much of it, ya know. do you have a permit to sell it ? No ? YOU DON'T SAY
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Yep interesting read, good English, well better than my French, Mange tout Rodders, Mange tout. (sorry only fools and horses gag, very British).

Lets not forget all the crud with Reiza back in the day which nearly ended them regards F1 who are very very strict so not sure how RSS get away with it really.
And SMS with PCars 1 got in a bit of strife with certain tracks and cars.
And of course the legend of that Porsche license of EA which kept Porsche out of sims and games for years, all because of one very poor PS1 game.
 
Camill08
I'm sorry to interrupt this (fair and old) debate on encryption but can you point me to the best visual version of Long Beach... I've taken a look on the Breathe list but I can't understand how does it work proper 😅. Also, he reported a version from a dude called "fn" which is maybe the most recent one but there isn't a download link...
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there's not a proper-finished version of Long Beach. All of them have issue or are unfinished. I was working on it, then i stopped
 
CrisT86
Terra21 + NRMS version which as far as i know is the latest one (the one i was working on if i'm not wrong)
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(sorry to bother you) which one is among these two?
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EDIT: maybe this is the latest update: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/assetto-corsa-pc-mods-general-discussion.307899/post-13926218
 
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Alguecool
In the very vast majority of countries in the world it is not meant to be allowed, but it is not prejudiceable (don't know if it's the right word... I'm no brit, damnit). Basically it's a very common way of avoiding licensing, you can either represent the name, the model, or the company that owns it, but not all of it at the same time, because in that case you make a "link" between the company and their property, therefore their image. You cannot be considere at fault by representing something that belongs to a company, even at a near-perfect copy, if you apply no other links to be made to that company. For car models, it's nearly comical : Porsche can't legally attack you for making a near-perfect 911, if it's nowhere said to be a Porsche. Lets say you call it a Mousche 822, with a proper own logo and badge : you got the model, but not the name nor the company. No link applicable. You didn't "specifically" looked to make a Porsche 911. It's a serious nightmare to judge on a legal point of view, so most of the time they let it go through (be aware of Ferrari tho, they went on court for less). On the other hand, you can spend how much time you want on a scratch-made car model, if it's clear as water that it IS a Porsche 911 with the Porsche badge, free or not, you're on a fragile soil. And if you ask money for it, you need a selling licence (depending on the country), a copyright licence (you probably don't have it considering the price), and a fair amount of paperwork (good news the digital world is still quite uncontroled, am I right?).

But yeah, the funny part is when a modder is defending himself because of the "SO MANY HOURS" he worked on his thing. I mean... Thanks and all, no doubt about that, but... Never forget your situation.
"Officer, I should have the right to sell my drugs, it took me so many hours to make it" - well, that doesn't change much of it, ya know. do you have a permit to sell it ? No ? YOU DON'T SAY
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Terrible analogy. One is something that ruins lives and causes a life changing addiciton the other is drugs.
 
lorelord
Terrible analogy. One is something that ruins lives and causes a life changing addiciton the other is drugs.
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Still, The addict is glad there is someone to bake his fix and sell it to him, otherwise he would never have it in the first place...
Ah, the 2 unfamous sides of a penny!
 
Masscot
But probably bought and paid for through official channels? I think Codemasters tried to pass a modder's work off as their own with no permission obtained.
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Like i said there was more to it as codemasters didn't need permission as they owned the license.
Not so much passing it off as there own as a multimillion pound developer has plenty of in house guys and have the resources to get models done.
I guess they saw a model and just took it as the modder had no official rights to complain.
It may of been an old fashioned FU.
Thing about encryption is that i guess the worst part of all of this is people being able to obtain pay mods, encryption doesn't stop that.
If i were a modder trying to sell stuff I'd be far more concerned about that than someone working out your encrypted data file is actually a URD GT3 car or the nice Sierra DTM car you scratch made is actually from PCars.

But again i fall into the bubble trap myself, i assume that because i see pay mods going for free on massive spread sheets, that everyone is getting them, but clearly they aren't.
 
I have a question, that's related to encryption. Maybe someone can help me. I normally make a copy of each GT3 car and try to BOP it with the other GT3 cars I use, by just increasing/reducing the weight of the car in the car.ini by up to +- 30 kg. So far this worked very well and I have a well balanced GT3 field. But the Audi R8 LMS Evo by "Barrikad Krew Studio", that most skins are made for, is serveral seconds slower than the rest of my GT3 cars. I can't make a BOPed version of this car as it has an encrypted data.acd because the modders have used data from a real life Audi R8 team. I know, that I can add ballast and restrictor to the other GT3 cars in CM, but this isn't really a practical solution for me. Is there any other way to make only the Audi R8 a little bit faster?
 
Frank25
I have a question, that's related to encryption. Maybe someone can help me. I normally make a copy of each GT3 car and try to BOP it with the other GT3 cars I use, by just increasing/reducing the weight of the car in the car.ini by up to +- 30 kg. So far this worked very well and I have a well balanced GT3 field. But the Audi R8 LMS Evo by "Barrikad Krew Studio", that most skins are made for, is serveral seconds slower than the rest of my GT3 cars. I can't make a BOPed version of this car as it has an encrypted data.acd because the modders have used data from a real life Audi R8 team. I know, that I can add ballast and restrictor to the other GT3 cars in CM, but this isn't really a practical solution for me. Is there any other way to make only the Audi R8 a little bit faster?
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If you can unpack the data, you can change the car's weight in car.ini and keep the data.acd as a backup (like data_backup.acd). It should then take the info from the data folder and not the packed data. Just don't try to pack the data.
 
safi hellie
The other reason modders encrypt is to hide stuff.
Just looked at the Bentley GT3 car and it has "copyright of untied racing design" in the tyres ini and i'd guess there is much more that is URD physics that the modder then encrypted.
To hide, rather than claim i'd guess.
90 percent of AC users won't go all detective like a modder can.
Same as when i went into Tommy 78's sierra RS500 mod recently to take some bits for my RS500 PCars conversion.....
Guess what...... Tommy's is PCars RS500.
OK so he did some stuff to it, but he claims scratch made I believe and charges money.

There is a lot of stuff that people like to hide, same way as there is a way around stopping CM analyse tool recognising you took kunos cars physics just by changing a few spellings in the data files.

Data file encryption is so dumb because you just open the data file, copy and paste to another data folder make a totally new car folder and data isn't now encrypted.

If i can be bothered i am going to do a Bentley GT3 car and use the same data as that encrypted one to prove a point.
Not sure i have the energy as its such a run of the mill sim car and i could use my time to do something interesting.
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I have the permission to use URD tyres xD
I work with URD together and it is the best for both sides to have a bigger GT3 field..
The rest of the physics is ACC based.
So don't bash things where you don't know whats going on.
I steal no physics data

Edit: if you want to do a new bentley, go for it. But using payware data without a permission isn't allowed you know?
But why do you want to do one, isn't my Version good enough?
Try if you want to do a better job but URD won't be happy about using their tyres
 
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Alguecool
If you can unpack the data, you can change the car's weight in car.ini and keep the data.acd as a backup (like data_backup.acd). It should then take the info from the data folder and not the packed data. Just don't try to pack the data.
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Thank you for your answer, but this doesn't work for me. When I unpack the data.acd of the folder "bk_audi_r8_lms_2019" with CM, the ini-files have only unreadable useless content as the data.acd is encrypted.
 
safi hellie
The other reason modders encrypt is to hide stuff.
Just looked at the Bentley GT3 car and it has "copyright of untied racing design" in the tyres ini and i'd guess there is much more that is URD physics that the modder then encrypted.
To hide, rather than claim i'd guess.
90 percent of AC users won't go all detective like a modder can.
Same as when i went into Tommy 78's sierra RS500 mod recently to take some bits for my RS500 PCars conversion.....
Guess what...... Tommy's is PCars RS500.
OK so he did some stuff to it, but he claims scratch made I believe and charges money.

There is a lot of stuff that people like to hide, same way as there is a way around stopping CM analyse tool recognising you took kunos cars physics just by changing a few spellings in the data files.

Data file encryption is so dumb because you just open the data file, copy and paste to another data folder make a totally new car folder and data isn't now encrypted.

If i can be bothered i am going to do a Bentley GT3 car and use the same data as that encrypted one to prove a point.
Not sure i have the energy as its such a run of the mill sim car and i could use my time to do something interesting.
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yo, some URD guy here thats going to tell you that you talk so much nonsense its unbelievable. chem got perms from the head of URD himself to use those tyres upon my request. if you dont even know anything about that id rather keep shut than shouting stuff you cant even claim to be true. i dare you to take this tyre data for your own mod, you will recieve consequences for stealing that. if thats all there is to offer for a free mod with good physics, talking the man down that released multiple cars for free then thats just a sad place still. hoped to not come back and see people going ape mode cause a 3d is encrypted, if youre so keen on changeing stuff why dont yall self proclaimed elite modders convert the car in better quality yourself?
 
Masscot
But probably bought and paid for through official channels? I think Codemasters tried to pass a modder's work off as their own with no permission obtained.
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safi hellie
Like i said there was more to it as codemasters didn't need permission as they owned the license.
Not so much passing it off as there own as a multimillion pound developer has plenty of in house guys and have the resources to get models done.
I guess they saw a model and just took it as the modder had no official rights to complain.
It may of been an old fashioned FU.
Thing about encryption is that i guess the worst part of all of this is people being able to obtain pay mods, encryption doesn't stop that.
If i were a modder trying to sell stuff I'd be far more concerned about that than someone working out your encrypted data file is actually a URD GT3 car or the nice Sierra DTM car you scratch made is actually from PCars.

But again i fall into the bubble trap myself, i assume that because i see pay mods going for free on massive spread sheets, that everyone is getting them, but clearly they aren't.
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I remember they did not get permission originally and the community got outraged and then they either paid the guy a small amount at that was the end of the story or was the guy hired by Kunos? I don't remember the details.


Either way, the license means everything, the 3D model no matter who made it is still the property of the manufacturer. So unless it was one game taking the model mesh directly from another game, that's another story.
 
Chem_Flummi
I have the permission to use URD tyres xD
I work with URD together and it is the best for both sides to have a bigger GT3 field..
The rest of the physics is ACC based.
So don't bash things where you don't know whats going on.
I steal no physics data

Edit: if you want to do a new bentley, go for it. But using payware data without a permission isn't allowed you know?
But why do you want to do one, isn't my Version good enough?
Try if you want to do a better job but URD won't be happy about using their tyres
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Classic.
So I was right, you used URD tyres but OK you asked them for it, ok fair enough.
But i wasn't wrong was i?
You encrypt data but its fruitless for anyone who knows a bit about modding to get the data, so my point was, what's the point?
GT3 cars are GT3 cars and they don't differ much in real life so I'd guess a decent GT3 mods data can happily fit into most cars.
You can't be doing much more that any of the current GT3 mods or even kunos cars can do.

I won't be doing a Bentley GT3 car and even if i did I'd do it to prove a point one how easy it is to make your own and use encrypted data.

For what its worth i liked the drive i had in yours, you did get dragged into the encryption topic as yours was most relevant.
I do actually apologise for that, it was lazy to use that one example and i meant no personal malice.

Having said all of that, any idea what URD could even do if i made a personal mod using their physics?
I mean considering Turn 10 don't seem to care about tonnes of their hard work being in AC?
Do URD have a bigger legal team than Turn 10?

Bonny
yo, some URD guy here thats going to tell you that you talk so much nonsense its unbelievable. chem got perms from the head of URD himself to use those tyres upon my request. if you dont even know anything about that id rather keep shut than shouting stuff you cant even claim to be true. i dare you to take this tyre data for your own mod, you will recieve consequences for stealing that. if thats all there is to offer for a free mod with good physics, talking the man down that released multiple cars for free then thats just a sad place still. hoped to not come back and see people going ape mode cause a 3d is encrypted, if youre so keen on changeing stuff why dont yall self proclaimed elite modders convert the car in better quality yourself?
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Calm down dear.
I just said it had URD tyres, which it does.... again please explain what URD can do about someone using their physics on a personal mod?
Kunos can't do anything about me changing something in their cars, you are the one talking garbage.
I can do what i like with any of my games thanks, i don't release stuff let alone try to sell it. So politely, do one.
There is literally a 'change tyres' thing in CM man, what the hell could URD do to stop anyo0ne using their tyres!
 
safi hellie
Classic.
So I was right, you used URD tyres but OK you asked them for it, ok fair enough.
But i wasn't wrong was i?
You encrypt data but its fruitless for anyone who knows a bit about modding to get the data, so my point was, what's the point?
GT3 cars are GT3 cars and they don't differ much in real life so I'd guess a decent GT3 mods data can happily fit into most cars.
You can't be doing much more that any of the current GT3 mods or even kunos cars can do.

I won't be doing a Bentley GT3 car and even if i did I'd do it to prove a point one how easy it is to make your own and use encrypted data.

For what its worth i liked the drive i had in yours, you did get dragged into the encryption topic as yours was most relevant.
I do actually apologise for that, it was lazy to use that one example and i meant no personal malice.

Having said all of that, any idea what URD could even do if i made a personal mod using their physics?
I mean considering Turn 10 don't seem to care about tonnes of their hard work being in AC?
Do URD have a bigger legal team than Turn 10?
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The point isn't that I want to hide my physics. It is okay that somebody can look into them. I just encrypted the car that the original link has the latest version of the car, so that there aren't multiple versions with the same name..
And I can't do more then other GT3 Car mods out there or ks cars?
Well i can do more😄
If you know the right person, you can get real data of the car: from aeromaps to damper luts you can get anything.
All my cars use cphys with at least damper luts.
Camaro, Gallardo and Corvette have aeromaps in addition to that😉
Thats why I can do more then the other gt3 mods out there except for the bk Audi R8.
Well yeah anybody else can do that too but idk if they want to ask manufacturers for their data for a Single mod.
I just want the best for the community and the cars
 
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