Attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

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I Saw some people in front of French embassy singing the French national anthem and holding signs ''Je Suis Charlie'' one day after the attacks, i feel bad for the victims.... :(
 
The last Paris Terror Suspect still alive is reportedly hiding in Syria. Hayat Boumeddiene, 26, was last seen in Turkey on the 8th of January crossing the border into Syria. Boumeddiene, the wife of Amedy Coulibani, was officially declared the most wanted woman in France after the Kosher Market killings, but has fled France before the attack, according to French TV channel RTL.

A source reportedly told RTL that Boumeddiene had a reservation on a flight from Madrid to Istanbul on the 2nd of January, and crossed the Syrian border on the 8th, the day after 12 people were killed in the Charlie Bebdo attack.

Le Monde reports that she flew to Turkey with a man, who's brother is known to French Intelligence, and also reports that Boumeddiene made over 500 phone calls with the wife of Cherif Kouachi in 2014, with police investigating the links between the two families.

Boumeddiene has a religious, not civil, partnership with Coulibani, which is not recognized under French law.

After the terror attacks police launched a nationwide search for Boumedienne, French prosecutors have described her as a dangerous individual trained in the use of firearms.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-terr...yat-boumeddiene-has-fled-france-syria-1482822
 
Sanji Himura
The last Paris Terror Suspect still alive is reportedly hiding in Syria. Hayat Boumeddiene, 26, was last seen in Turkey on the 8th of January crossing the border into Syria. Boumeddiene, the wife of Amedy Coulibani, was officially declared the most wanted woman in France after the Kosher Market killings, but has fled France before the attack, according to French TV channel RTL.

A source reportedly told RTL that Boumeddiene had a reservation on a flight from Madrid to Istanbul on the 2nd of January, and crossed the Syrian border on the 8th, the day after 12 people were killed in the Charlie Bebdo attack.

Le Monde reports that she flew to Turkey with a man, who's brother is known to French Intelligence, and also reports that Boumeddiene made over 500 phone calls with the wife of Cherif Kouachi in 2014, with police investigating the links between the two families.

Boumeddiene has a religious, not civil, partnership with Coulibani, which is not recognized under French law.

After the terror attacks police launched a nationwide search for Boumedienne, French prosecutors have described her as a dangerous individual trained in the use of firearms.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-terr...yat-boumeddiene-has-fled-france-syria-1482822
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I know it's an ultra-long shot, but is there any relation to Houari Boumedienne, the former Algerian PM who threatened the Western world as early as 1974?
 
VolkswagenX
Hezbollah leader on Charlie Hebdo: ‘Extremists more offensive to Islam than cartoons’

http://rt.com/news/221343-hezbollah-nasrallah-charlie-offends/
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It should be born in mind that Hezbollah is a Shiite organization engaged (with secular Assad, the Alawites and other minorities) in a life-and-death struggle in Syria with these same Salafist Takfiri Sunnis. But what he says could be partly PR - or even, gosh, self-serving lies!
 
Dotini
It should be born in mind that Hezbollah is a Shiite organization engaged (with secular Assad, the Alawites and other minorities) in a life-and-death struggle in Syria with these same Salafist Takfiri Sunnis. But what he says could be partly PR - or even, gosh, self-serving lies!
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A cynic would look at the article and say that nowhere in it does he say anything about the victims, nowhere does he make any condolences. His primary concern according to the quotes given seems to be for the threat to the future of Islam these "Takfiris" pose. A cynic might also note that he characterizes those, "who insulted the prophet in films... or drew cartoons of the prophet" as "Islam’s enemies", and not "people exercising the freedoms provided them in a democratic state, even if distasteful to us Muslims"
 
Disaster: CNN is now reporting that Boumeddiene may have traveled to Syria to join ISIS.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-sources-female-terror-suspect-wasnt-even-in-france-during-attacks/

While I do stress that this may not prove any direct link between the terror group and the attack, the fact remains that getting her out of France well before the attacks required some logistics on somebody's part, either through the attackers themselves or through some third party. Also the fact that Boumeddiene traveled through Turkey with a man well known to French Intelligence may leave many to wonder if there wasn't a third party that directly coordinated this attack.
 
MatskiMonk
Satire is always at someones expense. If you know enough about something to make a joke about it, you probably know enough about it to know that some will find it offensive. The right to choose to say it or not should exist, but that doesn't automatically make it right to do so. 12 people weren't executed because of something that was said accidentally or through cultural misunderstanding.
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"as someone expense" : the word you choose are interesting, because the Charb stance about Charlie's satires was "we take the point of view from the weaker side". He was an intellectual Robin Hood, ripping little power from powerfull ones ;)

MatskiMonk
And let's be honest several thousand years of human conflict should be a bit of a giveaway that when it comes to religious beliefs people can be a bit touchy.
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Indeed, bigots have been a bit touchy when came on the table the idea that the earth wasn't the center of everything. Thankfully, obscurantists had to give up on that matter, eventually.

MatskiMonk
edit: Just to be clear, I am not saying the actions here were justified. But a reaction was obvious.
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BTW, what lead Charlie staff to become a target is not their action, but their isolation.


All those dead cartoonists were well known to be very kind people.
Cabu was a sort of institution by himself, having drawn for kids on public tv in the late-70's/early80's.
Charb produced cartoons for anti-racist campaigns, but also the mascot and 10 000 cartoons for the children target daily newspaper "Mon Quotidien". An educational journal that explains the "adult news" to kids, and that last black covers reads "Charb, the creator of Quotillon, has been assassinated":
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The editorial meeting they were conducting for the following Charlie Hebdo issue had a known theme: anti-racism...
What a waste...
 
Sanji Himura
Disaster: CNN is now reporting that Boumeddiene may have traveled to Syria to join ISIS.
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The French are reportedly also exploring the theory that Boumeddiene went to Turkey days ago. It seems very odd that she would be able to evade police once the perimeter around the supermarket went up.
 
prisonermonkeys
The French are reportedly also exploring the theory that Boumeddiene went to Turkey days ago. It seems very odd that she would be able to evade police once the perimeter around the supermarket went up.
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See my second to last post. I did report that she escaped the French dragnet before it was set up, as she was supposedly on a Madrid to Istanbul flight on the 2nd, and was seen crossing the Turkish border into Syria on the 8th, the day after the Charlie Bebdo attack.

More from CNN:
Authorities in France have reportedly told all French officers to delete their presence from social media and be armed around the clock since terrorist sleeper cells were activated, according to one French police source that spoke with CNN. Naturally, due to the nature of the situation, his name wasn't identified to media outlets.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/10/europe/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting/index.html
 
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From CNN, audio of Amedy Coulibaly who apparently doesn't know how to properly hang up a phone, trying to convince some of the hostages the massacre was justified. Well worth a listen.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/10/world/france-market-shooting-scene/index.html

"But I am telling you, it's almost over. Militants are going to come. There are going to be more and more. They (France) need to stop. They need to stop attacking ISIS...they need to stop asking our women to remove the hijab,"
 
Carbonox
Why is that such a common response to these attacks from Muslims in particular?
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Thats not what it really means. Logically thinking if some content from original source got into controversy then the other media who suscribe to that source must consider to not show that comtroversial content. They KNOW they wouldnt want to be attacked by ISIS or other terrorists.

They done it anyway. Atleast it isnt gone into fatalities.There are many ways to mourning Charlie Hebdo but making a similiar controversy isnt one. Thats what i ment by "fuel on fire".
 
Charlie Hebdo was attacked the same way at first for publishing the Mohammad cartoon two years ago. I fear for that publication if there is any sign of a sleeper cell nearby.
 
ECGadget
You have a point there but I am not saying that engineers figured out Gods will. What I am saying is that in every field you have to have experts and those are the ones people look to for answers right? So similarly in religion you have the same thing. In Engineering we figure out how things work. Similarly these leaders are tasked with finding out how Islam works.
Take Aerospace Engineering to be the subject matter. Engineers study it for years and understand it. Take Islam as the subject matter. Muftis study it for years and understand it. That's the point I am trying to make ^^
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Granted, but I just want you to recognize what I consider to be troublesome about Islam. I don't expect you to renounce your religion, but have we at least come to an understanding? Do you agree that this villainy takes or can take root by the way I've described, or that the religiosity, because of its voluntaristic nature, can often contribute to or intensify this wickedness?
 
Omnis
Granted, but I just want you to recognize what I consider to be troublesome about Islam. I don't expect you to renounce your religion, but have we at least come to an understanding? Do you agree that this villainy takes or can take root by the way I've described, or that the religiosity, because of its voluntaristic nature, can often contribute to or intensify this wickedness?
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I can agree with that, it is a fair assessment. I am not saying that it is a part of Islam or has a place in Islam, but I will accept that there are part of Islam that can be interpreted (wrongly) in this way, which leads to the likes of IS

But again, let me make it clear: a true Muslim will not do any of what IS is doing, because they know that Islam should be interpreted by the scholars and what they say, and the examples of the Prophet is what should be followed. These people have taken maybe a single saying, a single quote and decided that is the be all and end all of Islam and therefore they must act upon it. And I agree that in this way, it has caused them to go about doing what they have done.
 
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Some of the victims of the Kosher Market shooting will get a burial in Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is working with all relevant French officials to make the burials happen. Quoting from the Israeli Prime Minister's Facebook account:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu acceded to the request of the families of the victims of the murderous terrorist attack at the Jewish supermarket in Paris and instructed all relevant government officials to assist in bringing them for burial in Israel.

The funerals are tentatively scheduled to take place on Tuesday, 13 January; Prime Minister Netanyahu asked Minister Limor Livnat to coordinate the preparations. A meeting on the preparations will be held this evening at the Prime Minister's Office.
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Milouse
A true, but small info with a big conspiracy cream on it.
A cop in the city of Limoges committed suicide. His link with the investigation? He only received a query to do a verification in his district. Hundreds of other cops have been more involved in the investigation.
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Perhaps there were many factors that led to his suicide and this investigation was the one thing that pushed him over the edge. It certainly deserves closer scrutiny given the circumstances. May God rest his soul.
 
He didn't even do the work himself, he sent a team do the check, then commit suicide. He've found his dead by suicide coworker body two years before, and was known as depressive. Case closed.
 
FrzGT
Thats not what it really means. Logically thinking if some content from original source got into controversy then the other media who suscribe to that source must consider to not show that comtroversial content. They KNOW they wouldnt want to be attacked by ISIS or other terrorists.

They done it anyway. Atleast it isnt gone into fatalities.There are many ways to mourning Charlie Hebdo but making a similiar controversy isnt one. Thats what i ment by "fuel on fire".
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In other words, you are suggesting that they should cave in to the Islamist's demands and practice self-censorship instead, right?

If ''we'' can't draw a silly caricature, thus limit our freedom of speech and freedom of the press, what other ''controversy'' is next on the line? Anything else while we're at it, our dear Islamic overlords? (I'm being facetious)
 
MXHyland
In other words, you are suggesting that they should cave in to the Islamist's demands and practice self-censorship instead, right?

If ''we'' can't draw a silly caricature, thus limit our freedom of speech and freedom of the press, what other ''controversy'' is next on the line? Anything else while we're at it, our dear Islamic overlords? (I'm being facetious)
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Let me make a simple analogy.

A person heard that some people were shot dead in some random house. That person mourn by going to that place and posting it on Facebook, probably.
Predictably, they got shot. But thankfully he just suffer a recoverable injury.

That house is still horrible. But there are many ways to put it into shame than making the exact same action.

Im not going to comment further on freedom of speech because any people can disagree with that caricature (hence FREEDOM). But if the response is violence, then they has done a very horrible thing and deserved to get shut and put in justice (hence the "speech", not violence).
 
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Al Jazzeera's new talking points, this by way of leaked emails from Salah-Aldeen Khadr, the editor and executive producer for the English version of the channel.

In them, he told reporters to avoid characterizing the attacks as an assault on free speech and European values, but instead ask if the attacks could have been motivated by the French actions in Mali, Libya, and against the Islamic state group. He also asked reporters to question on air if the phrase "Je Suis Charlie" (I am Charlie), a phrase used to express sympathy, as "an alienating slogan".

Khadr, by opening his memo with, "Please accept this note in the spirit it is intended – to make our coverage the best that it can be …. We are Al Jazeera!!!!,” began listing the talking point suggestions for their reporters to take while on air.

This includes the following:

- The Charlie Bebdo attack was a targeted attack, and not a broad attack against the French population like the Twin Towers or 7/7 style

- Blaming the victim. “Was this really an attack on ‘Free speech’? Who is attacking free speech here exactly? Does an attack by 2-3 guys on a controversial magazine equate to a civilizational attack on European values..? Really?” Khadr wrote in the memo.

- In the "Je Suis Charlie" slogan, he writes, ’I am Charlie’ as an alienating slogan – with us or against us type of statement – one can be anti-CH’s racism and ALSO against murdering people(!) (obvious I know but worth stating).”

- In questioning the motivation of the terrorists, "Also worth stating that we still don’t know much about the motivations of the attackers outside of the few words overheard on the video. Yes, clearly it was a ‘punishment’ for the cartoons, but it didn’t take them 8/9 years to prep this attack (2006 was Danish/CH publication) – this is perhaps a response to something more immediate…French action against ISIL…? Mali? Libya? CH just the target ie focus of the attack..?”

- He also asked if the terrorists, “were radicalized by images of Abu Ghraib not by images of the Prophet Mohammed.”

You can read The Blaze's summary of the memo below.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...different-take-on-the-charlie-hebdo-massacre/
 
Sanji Himura
Al Jazzeera's new talking points, this by way of leaked emails from Salah-Aldeen Khadr, the editor and executive producer for the English version of the channel.

In them, he told reporters to avoid characterizing the attacks as an assault on free speech and European values, but instead ask if the attacks could have been motivated by the French actions in Mali, Libya, and against the Islamic state group. He also asked reporters to question on air if the phrase "Je Suis Charlie" (I am Charlie), a phrase used to express sympathy, as "an alienating slogan".

Khadr, by opening his memo with, "Please accept this note in the spirit it is intended – to make our coverage the best that it can be …. We are Al Jazeera!!!!,” began listing the talking point suggestions for their reporters to take while on air.

This includes the following:

- The Charlie Bebdo attack was a targeted attack, and not a broad attack against the French population like the Twin Towers or 7/7 style

- Blaming the victim. “Was this really an attack on ‘Free speech’? Who is attacking free speech here exactly? Does an attack by 2-3 guys on a controversial magazine equate to a civilizational attack on European values..? Really?” Khadr wrote in the memo.

- In the "Je Suis Charlie" slogan, he writes, ’I am Charlie’ as an alienating slogan – with us or against us type of statement – one can be anti-CH’s racism and ALSO against murdering people(!) (obvious I know but worth stating).”

- In questioning the motivation of the terrorists, "Also worth stating that we still don’t know much about the motivations of the attackers outside of the few words overheard on the video. Yes, clearly it was a ‘punishment’ for the cartoons, but it didn’t take them 8/9 years to prep this attack (2006 was Danish/CH publication) – this is perhaps a response to something more immediate…French action against ISIL…? Mali? Libya? CH just the target ie focus of the attack..?”

- He also asked if the terrorists, “were radicalized by images of Abu Ghraib not by images of the Prophet Mohammed.”

You can read The Blaze's summary of the memo below.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...different-take-on-the-charlie-hebdo-massacre/
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Yes, Cherif Kouachi was previously motivated by the torture of Muslims at Abu Ghraib.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/01/08/...e-over-american-torture-and-invasion-of-iraq/

But the reason the Charlie Hebdo attack was conceived and implemented was to provoke the French state into repressive measures and create a subculture of grievance. It is a cruel irony that the FN once tried to shut down Charlie Hebdo, and Charlie Hebdo once sponsored a petition to ban the FN. Now FN will "take off like a rocket".
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-and-the-profiteers-of-tragedy/
 
Sanji Himura
Al Jazzeera's new talking points, this by way of leaked emails from Salah-Aldeen Khadr, the editor and executive producer for the English version of the channel.

In them, he told reporters to avoid characterizing the attacks as an assault on free speech and European values, but instead ask if the attacks could have been motivated by the French actions in Mali, Libya, and against the Islamic state group. He also asked reporters to question on air if the phrase "Je Suis Charlie" (I am Charlie), a phrase used to express sympathy, as "an alienating slogan".
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In the interests of editorial balance, he does raise some points that need to be considered, even if he goes about it the wrong way.

There has been a definite paradigm shift in the extremists' methods of late. They have moved away from big, complex operations like bombings of public transport systems, to small-scale attacks on "soft" targets. Those big operations invariably leave patterns that intelligence agencies can pick up on, but the so-called "lone wolf" style only really needs one person with access to a weapon.

French interests abroad have come under attack before. French tourists in Mauritania have been attacked, and there have been hostage stand-offs involving French oil and gas refineries in Algeria and Libya. Their military action in Mali has provoked anger from Islamic militants everywhere from Nigeria to Kenya.

Of all the European nations, France is most active abroad in fighting militants, and in many cases - like Mali - they have been on their own. It has been theorised that the shooters in Paris were acting on behalf of Al'Qaeda in Yemen, who have been losing out to Islamic State as the predominant militant organisation. They have even been fighting one another in Syria. As such, the theory suggests that Al'Qaeda in Yemen sent two French-Algerians to carry out the attack to try and win support from militant groups across North Africa.
 

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