Attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

[Encyclopedia]

A bit late to the "belief" and "freedom of speech" party, but we are talking about different rules. The extremists justify killing people for mocking Muhammad because it goes with their beliefs. And the victims don't justify extremists killing them because it goes against their beliefs of freedom of speech and "I can get away with anything that may offend one and doesn't hurt them".

Arguing which one is right is pointless, because our beliefs say we are right and they should not hurt us. It is, in my opinion, common sense, but only because I was raised that way, and if I was raised in some Muslim extremist society, I would think differently for sure.

And you would be wrong.

 

[Carbonox]

Who wasn't representing Islam. You do know he killed a Muslim in the attack himself?

I'm starting to wonder if it's even worth it to remind you about the grim truth with some good old-fashioned Quran quotes. "No True Islam" as an argument is starting to get boring.

 

[kennylmao]

Reaction of who? The two nutjobs?

Them. And the killer of Theo Van Gogh. And the people who caused at least 200 deaths worldwide from the Muhammad drawings. And the <space for future butthurt religious nutjobs>.

Who wasn't representing Islam.

Please.

 

[Lucas]

And you would be wrong.

Because you say so? Or because there are rules not written by any human that say "humans can't kill each other because they think differently"? As in, laws from God?

 

[Dennisch]

Who wasn't representing Islam. You do know he killed a Muslim in the attack himself?

They represent Radical Islam. Which, sadly is a part of the religion, or so they think.

 

[Famine]

They represent Radical Islam. Which, sadly is a part of the religion, or so they think.

Only in the same way that white supremacism is part of my race and misogyny is part of my gender.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Because you say so? Or because there are rules not written by any human that say "humans can't kill each other because they think differently"? As in, laws from God?

Because natural rights. That is all.

But this is off topic.

 

[Lucas]

Because natural rights. That is all.

Natural rights? Written where?

However, see:

Only in the same way that white supremacism is part of my race and misogyny is part of my gender.

I take that as my sole reason to say these attacks are not justified.

I would "understand" these attacks if they had roots in Islam. But seeing they are unrelated to the religion, which I asume follows the word of a God, then I find no reason whatsoever to "justy" (as in, understand) them.

 

[Furinkazen]

Please.

Extremism Kenny. That is what I refer to.

They represent Radical Islam. Which, sadly is a part of the religion, or so they think.

 

[Dennisch]

Only in the same way that white supremacism is part of my race and misogyny is part of my gender.

That's the "or so they think" part. 👍

 

[Dennisch]

The attack In Dammartin has started.

A large explosion has been heard and now gunfire.

And now there is silence again. Either the job is done or something went wrong.

Edit

At the supermarket there were 3 explosions.
A lot of gunfire now.

And now also silence in Paris.

The 2 brothers are dead. According to AFP.

Their hostage is reported to be safe.

The guy in the supermarket is reported to be dead.

 

[Fryto]

Fingers crossed that the hostages from the grocery are safe as well

 

[Joel]

https://twitter.com/afpfr

Agence France-Presse reporting that all the hostages have been killed and the terrorists have all got out safely.

EDIT: Whoops wrote that backwards, still haven't had my 2nd cup of coffee . Hostages have escaped safely, terrorists were killed by (presumably) GIGN.

 

[Fryto]

Belgian news now reports that 4 people got killed during the attempt to get the hostages out of the grocery store. Unclear whether they are hostages or policemen.

Edit: 4 hostages dead. There were way more hostages than the police thought...

 

[Dennisch]

I count at least 5 free hostages here.

 

[Touring Mars]

Hacker group Anonymous have said they intend to retaliate against jihadists by taking down their websites and social media accounts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tacks-by-shutting-down-jihadist-websites.html

 

[sems4arsenal]

Well done to the french police there.

 

[ECGadget]

With everything going on and debates about whether this was justified or in the rules of Islam (which if you see my earlier posts I explain as best as I can that it is NOT), I think we should contratulate the police for their bravery, the public for their togetherness including the religious leaders across France and think about the four others that have sadly been murdered. My thoughts are certainly with the families of these people.

 

[Dennisch]

More reports that there are 4 hostages killed. Several police men wounded.

 

[Joel]

Guess those initial reports were wrong, seems like 4 hostages were killed

 

[Fryto]

French press agency now even says 5

 

[Dennisch]

Those hostages could have been killed when the hostage situation started, since there are some reports that he came in and started shooting.

New hostage situation, now in a jewelry store in Montpelier.

 

[Encyclopedia]

New hostage situation, now in a jewelry store in Montpelier.

Damn!

 

[Dennisch]

Damn!

Likely to be unrelated, reports are that it was "just" a robbery.

 

[ECGadget]

Likely to be unrelated, reports are that it was "just" a robbery.

I think this may be the only time I am thankful for it being "just" a robbery...

 

[Dennisch]

Those hostages could have been killed when the hostage situation started, since there are some reports that he came in and started shooting.

More and more reports come in that at least 3 of the dead were already killed before police raid.

 

[True-blue-8]

2 more hostages taken in the south of france in a jewellery shop

 

[Carbonox]

Seriously I can't be the only one who thinks there's a blatant connection between these incidents?

 

[mister dog]

Seriously I can't be the only one who thinks there's a blatant connection between these incidents?

Thank you captain obvious.

 

[True-blue-8]

Seriously I can't be the only one who thinks there's a blatant connection between these incidents?

No, when they said about yesterday's shooting I thought it must be, today is just too obvious now

same will probably happen again tomorrow