Shootings and explosions in Paris.

[TenEightyOne]

Reports now of several dead and many injured.

EDIT: Tree'd by @Ken

 

[Soundtrack]

Unconfirmed reports of an explosion in brussel's subway.

 

[Ken]

I Made a thread for this new incident. It seemed appropriate to dicuss it as a separate incident from Paris. Even though they're are probably linked.

 

[Soundtrack]

Subway closed, smoke escaping from the station near the European Institutions.

 

[Touring Mars]

I know that you want to demonise the Muslim community, but you're just playing into the terrorists' hands. Every time you accuse them of being complicit without proof and based on nothing more than their culture and faith, you give the terrorists another way to recruit more sympathisers because you become living proof that everything they say is true - that the West doesn't trust Muslims, that the West regards Muslims with fear and suspicion, that the West won't feel comfortable until all the Muslims are gone.

Radical Islamists are preaching this to anyone who will listen anyway, so it's a bit harsh to criticize those who have perfectly legitimate concerns about the all too real terrorist threat posed by a small but lethal minority who are intent on wreaking havoc and murdering innocent people.

I accept that more needs to be done to promote understanding, tolerance and peaceful co-existence, but so long as we have individuals and groups whose aim it is to commit mass murder of innocent civilians living in our midst, it is only right and proper to at least ask the question, 'how are they able to do it' - and that means having a close look at every aspect of the problem, including their funding, their support network(s) as well as their ideology.

If someone sides with a vile and disgusting group like ISIS because they believe that Muslims are being victimised in Europe (which they aren't), then frankly they don't belong in a civilised society anyway. If someone chooses to support ISIS for any reason at all, then they bloody well ought to be regarded with suspicion, and people have very good reason to feel uncomfortable unless these people and their support networks are at the very least being investigated. This has nothing to do with criticizing Islam or demonising Muslims en masse - we have enough of a problem dealing with jihadists and extremists of whatever bent they may be without also having to fret over being politically correct at the same time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Apparently lawyering in France is a little different than what I'm used to:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...rred-from-belgium-to-france.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Salah Abdeslam, the Paris massacre suspect who went on the run in Europe for months, is a "little jerk" who's "falling apart" and ready to cooperate, his lawyers said as he was officially transferred from Belgium to France Wednesday. "He has the intelligence of an empty ashtray," Abdeslam's Belgian lawyer Sven Mary told the French newspaper Liberation. He dismissed his client's influence on terrorists, calling Abdeslam "more a follower than a leader."

 

[dxm8975]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/europe/france-belgium-abdeslam-extradited/

As the title of the article says.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Apparently lawyering in France is a little different than what I'm used to:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...rred-from-belgium-to-france.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Reading the comments in full it sounds like a typical lawyer's game though, diminished responsibility via lack of intelligence. The client, not the lawyer.

 

[Dennisch]

Dust off the guillotine and be done with it!

 

[TenEightyOne]

Dust off the guillotine and be done with it!

We could rename this thread "Les Tricoteuses".

 

[Dennisch]

Reports are coming out that a truck has driven into a crowd in Nice. Several dead are reported for now.

It's unknown for now if it's an attack (it's Quatorze Juliet today, France national holiday) or an accident.

 

[mister dog]

Reports are coming out that a truck has driven into a crowd in Nice. Several dead are reported for now.

It's unknown for now if it's an attack (it's Quatorze Juliet today, France national holiday) or an accident.

Damn this is big.

 

[GTFan24]

Reports are coming out that a truck has driven into a crowd in Nice. Several dead are reported for now.

It's unknown for now if it's an attack (it's Quatorze Juliet today, France national holiday) or an accident.

You can't be 🤬 serious, not again

 

[mister dog]

Reports of hostage situations coming in.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Reports of hostage situations coming in.

Links don't seem to go anywhere...can we move the talk of this over here?

 

[Dennisch]

The sole surviving rat Salah Abdeslam has been sentenced to life without parole.

He should have been sentenced to death, by pigs.