Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix 2009

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I repeat myself, You just heard your team radio that kubica is coming straight at you. 3 laps left. He knew he would get passed, why not go slower in the turn. Rather he went Kamikaze and ended up understeering into kubica. Then again Kubica was going balls to the wall there and could have went a tad wider and taken him on the next turn or straight.

Vettel's driving style doesn't make him just "get passed" he fights to keep it, he's an agressive driver and is good at it. Kubica caused it on himself and Vettel by seeing him and not moving just to try slow him down to get the pass, this didn't work out right and so, they collided.

I just wonder how Honda feels right now :lol:

I don't think honda sucked cause of honda, but the engine was the problem. not powerful enough

wow, this thread is on fire tonight


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Brawn 1-2. Amazing. Too bad Kubica spoilt it for Vettel...

Also something of note: Buemi scored a point on his debut in F1, albeit in 8th.
 
Bit of half and half. Anyone saying that Vettel should have just let him past is an idiot. No driver would do that. But maybe Vettel could have been a little less brake as late is i dare. But still Kubi had room on the outside...
 
And I can tell you are a vettel fan. If there is something us BMW drivers know is how to blame others and end up being right while still looking like c**ks.

I know GTP can be addictive, Kubica, but you really should'nt post and drive in the middle of a race.
 
Vettel vs Kubica was 50-50. Two young chargers, they are bound to fight it out.

Well done Brawn, very well done Trulli.

Downer from Rosberg, he's cost me Fantasy F1 points!
 
Vettel vs Kubica was 50-50. Two young chargers, they are bound to fight it out.

Well done Brawn, very well done Trulli.

Downer from Rosberg, he's cost me Fantasy F1 points!

At least you didn't have Kubika and Vettel in yours....
 
Awesome awesome awesome. Well worth getting up for. So pleased to see Jenson and Rubens on the podium; I was quite nervous when Kubica was catching as fast as he was. Jenson didn't make a single mistake and was on it when he needed to be. Rubens was lucky to get on the podium but it was very much deserved; Trulli too. A good drive by Hamilton in a bad car - the haters will say he lucked in to the points, but I bet they won't say that about the 2 cars ahead of him, or any behind him... Special mention to Buemi, picking a point up on his debut and driving like his teammate should be.

Vettel's driving style doesn't make him just "get passed" he fights to keep it, he's an agressive driver and is good at it. Kubica caused it on himself and Vettel by seeing him and not moving just to try slow him down to get the pass, this didn't work out right and so, they collided.

As Only_In_F1 said, it's 50/50. Kubica didn't give enough room, but Vettel should've backed off.

Oh, and the Edit button: learn it, use it, love it.

At least you didn't have Kubika and Vettel in yours....

:lol: Ouch.
 
My opinion:

Button and Barrichello had to get in the podium.
Vettel and Kubica...I think it was a "balls" problem: Vettel was thinking "I'M NOT LETTING HIM PASS FOR MY BALLS!" and Kubica was thinking "I'M PASSING HERE FOR MY BALLS!" and you know the rest.
Great recovery from Toyota. Alonso did what he could. Rosberg did the fastest lap, so that-thing-that-goes-under-the-car-which-I-can't-remember-the-name does affect the performance. There's only one more thing I want to say:


I WANT MORE!!!
 
Can someone tell me why Hamilton seemed to have 3rd, but gave up his spot to Trulli?

Probably passed him as the yellows came out. You aren't allowed to pass under yellow flags, so he had to give the place back.
 
wow, this thread is on fire tonight

Yeah, but you don't need to add to it anymore by triple posting, please. ;)
Find out how to use the EDIT and Multiquote buttons.

A much more tense finish to the race than I expected after seeing the start, but a great race nonetheless.
 
Can someone tell me why Hamilton seemed to have 3rd, but gave up his spot to Trulli?
Hamilton never had 3rd to begin with, Brundle typically made an error calling the driver (cause Rosberg REALLY looks like Kubica...*rolls eyes*) Trulli had third the entire time.
 
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He was never 3rd. He was laying behind Fisico and Trulli for a while when Fisi went into the pits. That's where Trulli left Hamster biting his dust.


Fabulous race it indeed was. You could just see the relief falling of Jenson and Rubens' back when they finished. They are also a perfect example of how teammates should be, a great bond these two drivers share. Great race by Toyota as well, starting from the pitlane, finishing 3-5. I hope this is promissing for Sepang.

Kubica ruined his own race. You can't blame Vettel for defending his position, I would've done exactly the same. Kubica just left too little space, and should've left it open. Also, it turns out the Mclaren isn't that slow after all. Great pace by Rosberg at the beginning, but totally lost it.

Great job by Buemi. I can't understand what Bourdais is still doing in F1, he never impressed and he got beaten by a rookie in the first race of the season, a rookie who finsished 6th in a GP2 championship.

Let's not forget Webber, the poor chap never has any luck in his homerace, and neither today :indiff:


Also, for those people that think the diffusers make the Brawn cars fast, Barrichello put it more than clear in the pressconference.
 
Hamilton never had 3rd to begin with, Brundle typically made an error calling the driver (cause Rosberg REALLY looks like Kubica...*rolls eyes*) Trulli had third the entire time.

I don't know if F1-Live takes their commentary from Brundle, but apparently they noticed it too on the live feed.
 
Although its still early on, the new package seems to have done some noticable good on the racing I would say, lots of good close battles in there. Also kinda fun to see the cars squirming around like they were now that they don't have a million pounds of downforce!:)
 
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Probably passed him as the yellows came out. You aren't allowed to pass under yellow flags, so he had to give the place back.

While that is probably correct, surely by Trulli passing Hamilton back under the yellow flags, he too has broken the rules. Unless of course Hamilton passed him at the very same time the safety car came out, as then the order is reset to the point the safety car came out. If either or both of them passed under yellows, I wouldn't be too surprised if the FIA disqualified them. If common sense prevails the result as it is will stand, but since when does the FIA ever use common sense.
 
Actually Trulli went off the track, Hamilton went past his car because it wasn't on the track and then Trulli re-passed Hamilton who was on the track.

My guess? Trulli will get a penalty. Hope not though, he's in my Fantasy F1 team!
 
Trulli vs. Hamilton was explained on the BBC’s after-race red button coverage in an interview with Martin Whitmarsh of McLaren.

According to Whitmarsh, Trulli went off onto the grass under the safety car and Hamilton had no choice but to pass him. Trulli then retook Hamilton (still under safety car). It sounded like McLaren are expecting Trulli to be penalized and for Hamilton to be given the third place.

(EDIT: tree’d by Tired Tyres)
 
I was hoping that Hamilton would get the podium, so when I saw Truli in third I had a "WTF" moment.

Great race, though, worth getting up for. GO BRAWN!
 
I don't know if F1-Live takes their commentary from Brundle, but apparently they noticed it too on the live feed.
Ah okay, fair enough. Perhaps there was an error on the times sheet at somepoint, but as far as I could see, Trulli was always in third.

Edit: Just read MTC's post, that cleared a bunch up mate, nothing mentioned about it down here.
 
to anyone who is saying that it was Kubica's fault:
Could you please watch the replay of the whole incident? And not only the turn it happened but also the one before, where Vettel had massive understeer and was clearly slower out of the corner, besides Kubica had almost half of car advantage over Vettel in braking area (I think you should look at Rosberg and how he acted in similar situation,when he was on soft tyres 2 or 3 laps earlier). Plus he was still pushing for the win, which was quite possible considering circumstances.

Well, but I have to agree.. This race was really great!! (minus last 3 laps ;) )
 
Wow. First time in six years that I get to sit down and watch a Grand Prix, and it didn't disappoint.

I was terrified that the Brawns were going to duff the start, and while Barrichello did, it's nice to see that this year you can take a few risks and rumble with the others without endangering yourself. That said, it can't be anything more than a love tap like Barrichello's.

I was deeply impressed by Brawn, especially Button's drive. He didn't put a foot wrong all weekend. I think it was Pat Symonds who said that Button is every bit as good as Hamilton, but he just doesn't have the hardware. Well, he does now. I can also see why Ross Brawn has such a reputation as a master tactician: I don't think it was an accident that Button took a little longer on his first stop. I think Brawn was anticipating the need to shorten the second stop.

The stupid Australian commentators kept screwing up their facts, claiming that the last time a team took a one-two finish on debut was Fangio in the March in 1954. I'm pretty sure this is, however, the first time that a new team has qualified one-two and finished one-two on debut. One thing is pretty certain, though: sponsors will be falling over themselves to sign up to Brawn ... if they can get past Richard Branson, who must be feeling elated. Certainly a reversal of fortunes given that not only did Button score three times more points in a single race than he did for all of 2008, he scored more than he did in 2007 and 2008, and Brawn picked up more points than Honda did last year.

Stellar drive by Buemi. Things really played out to his advantage through the safety car, but his position is not what I'm talking about: he was content to drive his own race without feeling the pinch from the others around there. However, because he was one of the big winners in the safety car lottery, the next few rounds are going to bevery telling.

Speaking of the lottery, I think McLaren are going to be buying themselves a few lottery tickets tomorrow. Hamilton won out big time - Barrichello did too, but he proved he had the pace all weekend - and I think McLaren know it. I certainly hope they do, because while Hamilton's ability as a driver played a part, you can't deny that he owes at least half of it to the safety car.

And that brings me to my next segue: the safety car. The race was a bit of an anti-climax, what with the safety car peeling away at the last moment and all, but I don't think the overall result would be too different. Kubica would likely have caught Vettel, but I don't think he could have made it past Button. It would have been close, but it took the Pole a long while to rein in Vettel, and he had to cover the same distance up to Button. I also agree with the commentators: the accident was fifty-fifty. Vettel braked too late, but Kubica didn't give him enough room. I was quite stunned that the consequences of Vettel's error at turn one didn't take effect until turn five.

Elsewhere, I was wondering what happened to Kimi Raikkonen. The BBC kept alluding to him planting it in the wall in the late stages, but we never saw it. Melbourne certainly seems to carry a curse for them, as it does for Kubica and Webber. I hated the way the Australian commentators kept playing up Webber's chances of victory.
 
Could you please watch the replay of the whole incident?

I've seen multiple angles of it multiple times. It's Kubica who brakes incredibly late right into the corner, and at the last moment he just throas his car into Vettel's way. Vettel is an aggressive driver, yes, but winners are aggressive drivers.


@Do you race?: Raikkonene lost controll of his car a few corners before the start-finish straight. He spun out, but was able to recover. However, just when he recovered, he smaked his rear-right wheel into the barriers.
 
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